2021 CRF or GASGAS 450???

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Cannot make up my mind regarding this two bikes. Which one would you buy? Gasgas costs cca.700-800 more...
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Dirty Points 11/23/2020 6:44am
11/23/2020 6:44am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2020 6:56am
racerxx276 wrote:
244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.
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H4L 11/23/2020 7:39am
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racerxx276 wrote:
244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.
Dirty Points wrote:
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight. Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of...
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.
Even comparing them at that scale weight the Honda feels light like a KTM while in motion.
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Jeremy Macbeth 11/23/2020 7:46am
11/23/2020 7:46am
Dude, get the GasGas. It's backed by a company that is not imminently going out of business.
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Dirty Points 11/23/2020 8:09am
11/23/2020 8:09am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2020 8:19am
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Dude, get the GasGas. It's backed by a company that is not imminently going out of business.
Accounting for wet weight and Honda's choice to add spring forks, skid plate, and disc guard, I suspect the core weight difference between the two bikes is in the range of 6 or 7 lbs, which is notable, but probably no more of a deciding factor than the many other differences between the two.
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Lastander 11/23/2020 8:36am
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I havent ridden the -21 Honda yet but ive had -17/18/19/20 crf450s.

I tried the gasgas 450 about 3 weeks back and i hated it.
Nothing wrong with the engine, brakes or suspension but i couldnt for the life of me get comfortable and get the bike to even lean over in a turn, while on my honda i can flick it around a penny.

Dont do anything stupid, try both bikes before you empty your wallet.
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TeamGreen 11/23/2020 9:12am
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Well, 1st you have to find a 2021 CRF that’s available...
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Then you’ve got to try to get that CRF for a decent price. People I’ve talked to at the track seem to love their new Honda...& they should! Why? They all paid A TON of money for’em! (Kidding: but...Some have paid over $11K)
Now, while some are gonna beat up the dealers, I’m kinda stoked on how much dirt bikes are in demand!

The GasGas MC450 should be avail in most areas & a savvy shopper should be able to get a decent price on one.

Someone said the Honda is cheaper?
CRF: $9599

MC: $9399

If I REALLY had to have the Honda? I’d get an RX if Rs are hard to get. It’s the same bike...and I’m seeing a few RXs out there where there’s NO Rs. The kickstand and mount come off by simply replacing the foot-peg clevis/mount.

Good Luck!
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kiwifan 11/23/2020 10:38am
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I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one
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AH387 11/23/2020 10:53am
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Dirty Points wrote:
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight. Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of...
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.
If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except fuel,) there is still a 15 lb difference between the 20 Honda and KTM (238 to 223.) Or Vital weighed them ready to ride at 247.9 to 233.7. Knock 3-5 lbs off of the Honda for the 21 and it's still a 10lb difference. Not saying it's the be-all-end-all factor but I think you are off base in your evaluation.
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Dirty Points 11/23/2020 10:56am
11/23/2020 10:56am Edited Date/Time 11/23/2020 11:01am
Dirty Points wrote:
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight. Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of...
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.
AH387 wrote:
If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except...
If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except fuel,) there is still a 15 lb difference between the 20 Honda and KTM (238 to 223.) Or Vital weighed them ready to ride at 247.9 to 233.7. Knock 3-5 lbs off of the Honda for the 21 and it's still a 10lb difference. Not saying it's the be-all-end-all factor but I think you are off base in your evaluation.
But your estimation is dead on in-line with my estimation!

I said roughly 6-7 lbs after accounting for spring forks and the additional removable bodywork the Honda comes with, which would translate to about a 10 lb difference with those items bolted up.
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AH387 11/23/2020 11:00am
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Dirty Points wrote:
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight. Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of...
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.
AH387 wrote:
If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except...
If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except fuel,) there is still a 15 lb difference between the 20 Honda and KTM (238 to 223.) Or Vital weighed them ready to ride at 247.9 to 233.7. Knock 3-5 lbs off of the Honda for the 21 and it's still a 10lb difference. Not saying it's the be-all-end-all factor but I think you are off base in your evaluation.
Dirty Points wrote:
But your estimation is dead on in-line with my estimation! I said roughly 6-7 lbs after accounting for spring forks and the additional removable bodywork the...
But your estimation is dead on in-line with my estimation!

I said roughly 6-7 lbs after accounting for spring forks and the additional removable bodywork the Honda comes with, which would translate to about a 10 lb difference with those items bolted up.
In that case, I agree with you lol.
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ktmdan 11/23/2020 11:24am
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All the bikes are so similar these days just pick your favorite color and.... wait, nvm
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dcg141 11/23/2020 11:26am
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kiwifan wrote:
I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one
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kiwifan 11/23/2020 11:46am
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kiwifan wrote:
I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one
dcg141 wrote:
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You do not have a brand favourite?
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Johnny Ringo 11/23/2020 11:51am
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kiwifan wrote:
I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one
dcg141 wrote:
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kiwifan wrote:
You do not have a brand favourite?
No I think he’s genuinely shocked a poster on this board isn’t jizzing over an Austrian brand
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Johnny Ringo 11/23/2020 11:52am
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Get the Honda. You won’t have to tighten your spokes every 15 minutes or check the air in your forks after the temperature changes 4 degrees
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Honda820 11/23/2020 6:55pm
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racerxx276 wrote:
244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.
Dirty Points wrote:
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight. Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of...
For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.
Yep. I see where people always quote the KTM dry weight 🤦🏻‍♂️
fullysicmate 11/23/2020 7:32pm
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
Get the Honda. You won’t have to tighten your spokes every 15 minutes or check the air in your forks after the temperature changes 4 degrees
I have a 2017 Husky 350, 2017 KTM 450 and 2019 Husky 501 all with over 60 hrs (104 Husky 350). After the first hour I checked the spokes, from what I recall a few required a nip up. Since then they have been fine, I check them probably every 20hrs and occasionally one will need to be tightened but nothing major. I lost a spoke on the 501 during a forest ride but it was likely a stick or rock that broke it out.

I do have a buddy that told me about his issues with his KXF air forks so I paid close attention to mine for a while, and the WP air fork was nothing like the KXF, I think that's where the bad wrap for air forks comes from. The pressure remains as set in consistent temperatures and doesn't need to be constantly checked, major ambient temperature swings will see changes of up to 4 psi which settle back down as the temperature does.
GeorgiePorgie 11/23/2020 7:35pm
11/23/2020 7:35pm
Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Dude, get the GasGas. It's backed by a company that is not imminently going out of business.
I think when push comes to shove Honda will be the last man standing. Worst case scenario.
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