2021 CRF or GASGAS 450???

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11/23/2020 3:20 AM

Cannot make up my mind regarding this two bikes. Which one would you buy? Gasgas costs cca.700-800 more...

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11/23/2020 6:13 AM

244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.

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11/23/2020 6:28 AM

Hondas are for Pros or Pro practice riding vital posters. Get on the Gas!

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11/23/2020 6:44 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/23/2020 6:56 AM

racerxx276 wrote:

244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.

For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.

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11/23/2020 6:45 AM

Borrow a friend’s KTM and see if you like it.

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11/23/2020 7:39 AM

racerxx276 wrote:

244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.

Dirty Points wrote:

For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.

Even comparing them at that scale weight the Honda feels light like a KTM while in motion.

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Speak softly and carry a big stick.

11/23/2020 7:46 AM

Dude, get the GasGas. It's backed by a company that is not imminently going out of business.

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11/23/2020 8:09 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/23/2020 8:19 AM

Jeremy Macbeth wrote:

Dude, get the GasGas. It's backed by a company that is not imminently going out of business.

Accounting for wet weight and Honda's choice to add spring forks, skid plate, and disc guard, I suspect the core weight difference between the two bikes is in the range of 6 or 7 lbs, which is notable, but probably no more of a deciding factor than the many other differences between the two.

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11/23/2020 8:20 AM

Get the red one

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11/23/2020 8:36 AM

I havent ridden the -21 Honda yet but ive had -17/18/19/20 crf450s.

I tried the gasgas 450 about 3 weeks back and i hated it.
Nothing wrong with the engine, brakes or suspension but i couldnt for the life of me get comfortable and get the bike to even lean over in a turn, while on my honda i can flick it around a penny.

Dont do anything stupid, try both bikes before you empty your wallet.

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11/23/2020 9:12 AM

Well, 1st you have to find a 2021 CRF that’s available...
grin
Then you’ve got to try to get that CRF for a decent price. People I’ve talked to at the track seem to love their new Honda...& they should! Why? They all paid A TON of money for’em! (Kidding: but...Some have paid over $11K)
Now, while some are gonna beat up the dealers, I’m kinda stoked on how much dirt bikes are in demand!

The GasGas MC450 should be avail in most areas & a savvy shopper should be able to get a decent price on one.

Someone said the Honda is cheaper?
CRF: $9599

MC: $9399

If I REALLY had to have the Honda? I’d get an RX if Rs are hard to get. It’s the same bike...and I’m seeing a few RXs out there where there’s NO Rs. The kickstand and mount come off by simply replacing the foot-peg clevis/mount.

Good Luck!

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

11/23/2020 10:38 AM

I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one

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Current rides: 2020 CRF450RWE and 2019 TC300
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500RF
Adventure/Road bike: CRF1000L

11/23/2020 10:53 AM

Dirty Points wrote:

For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.

If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except fuel,) there is still a 15 lb difference between the 20 Honda and KTM (238 to 223.) Or Vital weighed them ready to ride at 247.9 to 233.7. Knock 3-5 lbs off of the Honda for the 21 and it's still a 10lb difference. Not saying it's the be-all-end-all factor but I think you are off base in your evaluation.

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11/23/2020 10:56 AM
Edited Date/Time: 11/23/2020 11:01 AM

racerxx276 wrote:

244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.

Dirty Points wrote:

For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.

AH387 wrote:

If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except fuel,) there is still a 15 lb difference between the 20 Honda and KTM (238 to 223.) Or Vital weighed them ready to ride at 247.9 to 233.7. Knock 3-5 lbs off of the Honda for the 21 and it's still a 10lb difference. Not saying it's the be-all-end-all factor but I think you are off base in your evaluation.

But your estimation is dead on in-line with my estimation!

I said roughly 6-7 lbs after accounting for spring forks and the additional removable bodywork the Honda comes with, which would translate to about a 10 lb difference with those items bolted up.

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11/23/2020 11:00 AM

Dirty Points wrote:

For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.

AH387 wrote:

If you go by MXA which has all of the bikes at the same time, on the same scale in the same manner (all fluids except fuel,) there is still a 15 lb difference between the 20 Honda and KTM (238 to 223.) Or Vital weighed them ready to ride at 247.9 to 233.7. Knock 3-5 lbs off of the Honda for the 21 and it's still a 10lb difference. Not saying it's the be-all-end-all factor but I think you are off base in your evaluation.

Dirty Points wrote:

But your estimation is dead on in-line with my estimation!

I said roughly 6-7 lbs after accounting for spring forks and the additional removable bodywork the Honda comes with, which would translate to about a 10 lb difference with those items bolted up.

In that case, I agree with you lol.

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11/23/2020 11:24 AM

All the bikes are so similar these days just pick your favorite color and.... wait, nvm

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11/23/2020 11:26 AM

kiwifan wrote:

I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one

Shocking

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11/23/2020 11:46 AM

kiwifan wrote:

I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one

dcg141 wrote:

Shocking

You do not have a brand favourite?

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Current rides: 2020 CRF450RWE and 2019 TC300
Occasional ride for VMX: 1985 CR500RF
Adventure/Road bike: CRF1000L

11/23/2020 11:51 AM

kiwifan wrote:

I have not ridden either but I lean towards the Honda from what I have heard from local racers who have one

dcg141 wrote:

Shocking

kiwifan wrote:

You do not have a brand favourite?

No I think he’s genuinely shocked a poster on this board isn’t jizzing over an Austrian brand

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Alright Lunger, Let's Do It

11/23/2020 11:52 AM

Get the Honda. You won’t have to tighten your spokes every 15 minutes or check the air in your forks after the temperature changes 4 degrees

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Alright Lunger, Let's Do It

11/23/2020 6:55 PM

racerxx276 wrote:

244 lbs vs 222 lbs ... easy choice.

Dirty Points wrote:

For the umpteenth time, can't directly compare those numbers: that's dry vs wet weight.

Most testing outlets have the KTM weighing somewhere in the vicinity of 235 wet.

Yep. I see where people always quote the KTM dry weight 🤦🏻‍♂️

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11/23/2020 7:32 PM

Johnny Ringo wrote:

Get the Honda. You won’t have to tighten your spokes every 15 minutes or check the air in your forks after the temperature changes 4 degrees

I have a 2017 Husky 350, 2017 KTM 450 and 2019 Husky 501 all with over 60 hrs (104 Husky 350). After the first hour I checked the spokes, from what I recall a few required a nip up. Since then they have been fine, I check them probably every 20hrs and occasionally one will need to be tightened but nothing major. I lost a spoke on the 501 during a forest ride but it was likely a stick or rock that broke it out.

I do have a buddy that told me about his issues with his KXF air forks so I paid close attention to mine for a while, and the WP air fork was nothing like the KXF, I think that's where the bad wrap for air forks comes from. The pressure remains as set in consistent temperatures and doesn't need to be constantly checked, major ambient temperature swings will see changes of up to 4 psi which settle back down as the temperature does.

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11/23/2020 7:35 PM

Jeremy Macbeth wrote:

Dude, get the GasGas. It's backed by a company that is not imminently going out of business.

I think when push comes to shove Honda will be the last man standing. Worst case scenario.

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