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soggy wrote:

suzuki moved there whole production facility to a new location this past year. It's why the 19 250 was so slow to release. pretty obvious they...

suzuki moved there whole production facility to a new location this past year. It's why the 19 250 was so slow to release. pretty obvious they wouldn't be making any bike changes.

OneWordResponseGuy wrote:

[b]INB4 [/b] - Malachi "I gEt HoLeShOts vS 450s AlL tHe TiMe oN My RmZ iN JuNiOr ClAss!!!!!" - "The RMZ is 1k less than the...

INB4

- Malachi "I gEt HoLeShOts vS 450s AlL tHe TiMe oN My RmZ iN JuNiOr ClAss!!!!!"

- "The RMZ is 1k less than the others and no one can use them to their full potential"

- "Kick-starts are for men, i just don't understand why people would need e-start"

- "RC and Dungey had no problems on this bike"

- "Suzukis look the best"

Falcon wrote:

In 1986, I purchased an RM125. It was long in the tooth then, not very fast, and the competition had eaten up the once mighty dominance...

In 1986, I purchased an RM125. It was long in the tooth then, not very fast, and the competition had eaten up the once mighty dominance that Suzuki used to enjoy. (They were World 125 champions for a decade in the '70s-'80s and the '81-'83 RMs were the best in the business.)
In '88, it was time for another bike, but Suzuki had BNG'ed the things for so long that everyone felt like Suzuki was going to pull out of motocross. Hell, they even felt like maybe Suzuki would go out of business. (Sound familiar?)

Then the '89 came out. It was based off the RA125 Works Bike that Erik Kehoe had won the USGP on. It had stout forks, a strong motor, and very nearly won the MXA shootout (Or maybe even did?? I don't remember...). The '90 was even better and only lost because the KX underwent a massive, game-changing overhaul. By the time 1993 rolled around, Suzuki was the greatest 125 on the planet, Damon Huffman was winning everything, and everbody was wondering if Yamaha was going to go out of business instead.

All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again. Mark my words; in 5-10-15 years, some of you will be wondering if KTM is going out of business. They won't be, but their bike, (which will be phenomenally better than today's SXF bike,) will suck by way of comparison to the Suzuki, Honda and others. Or maybe it will be the Kawasaki or the Yamaha that sucks, but either way, the motocross segment is not the way any of these manufacturers measures their business health.

Falcon wrote:

In 1986, I purchased an RM125. It was long in the tooth then, not very fast, and the competition had eaten up the once mighty dominance...

In 1986, I purchased an RM125. It was long in the tooth then, not very fast, and the competition had eaten up the once mighty dominance that Suzuki used to enjoy. (They were World 125 champions for a decade in the '70s-'80s and the '81-'83 RMs were the best in the business.)
In '88, it was time for another bike, but Suzuki had BNG'ed the things for so long that everyone felt like Suzuki was going to pull out of motocross. Hell, they even felt like maybe Suzuki would go out of business. (Sound familiar?)

Then the '89 came out. It was based off the RA125 Works Bike that Erik Kehoe had won the USGP on. It had stout forks, a strong motor, and very nearly won the MXA shootout (Or maybe even did?? I don't remember...). The '90 was even better and only lost because the KX underwent a massive, game-changing overhaul. By the time 1993 rolled around, Suzuki was the greatest 125 on the planet, Damon Huffman was winning everything, and everbody was wondering if Yamaha was going to go out of business instead.

All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again. Mark my words; in 5-10-15 years, some of you will be wondering if KTM is going out of business. They won't be, but their bike, (which will be phenomenally better than today's SXF bike,) will suck by way of comparison to the Suzuki, Honda and others. Or maybe it will be the Kawasaki or the Yamaha that sucks, but either way, the motocross segment is not the way any of these manufacturers measures their business health.

GrapeApe wrote:

Forget about the lack of development in their product line, what about the fact they don't even contest their own national championship? They pulled out of...

Forget about the lack of development in their product line, what about the fact they don't even contest their own national championship? They pulled out of MXGP, MX2, All Japan Nationals, and off-road racing worldwide. They found a private team in JGR to take on their "factory" program in the US, but that's it. Their amateur program is a joke in comparison to Orange Brigade, Rockstar Husky, Team Green, Amsoil Honda and Star Yamaha. In '86 they were at least trying to compete.

soopah noviss wrote:

...but, but, but vital says 99% of the people on here cannot use the orange/white, green, blue or red bikes to their full potential anyhow. Save...

...but, but, but vital says 99% of the people on here cannot use the orange/white, green, blue or red bikes to their full potential anyhow. Save your money and go yellow, no? Only pros can notice it's deficiencies.

MZ193 wrote:

arent equipped with eletric start, both 250 and 450. suzuki make people speak about a 125 come back and doesnt add ES to their 4 strokes...

arent equipped with eletric start, both 250 and 450.
suzuki make people speak about a 125 come back and doesnt add ES to their 4 strokes. meh

soopah noviss wrote:

...but, but, but vital says 99% of the people on here cannot use the orange/white, green, blue or red bikes to their full potential anyhow. Save...

...but, but, but vital says 99% of the people on here cannot use the orange/white, green, blue or red bikes to their full potential anyhow. Save your money and go yellow, no? Only pros can notice it's deficiencies.

Dr.201 wrote:

$20 bucks says you'll finish in the same position in your given race on any current 450. People bitch just to bitch. I think buying the...

$20 bucks says you'll finish in the same position in your given race on any current 450. People bitch just to bitch. I think buying the zook and spending the extra 5g's going racing is going to have more of a posive impact on your riding than any fancy and overpriced bike ever could.

GrapeApe wrote:

Everyone keeps mentioning how cheap they are, but $8,999 seems really overpriced for that bike.

GrapeApe wrote:

Everyone keeps mentioning how cheap they are, but $8,999 seems really overpriced for that bike.

owndjoo852 wrote:

Especially when you can walk into a Honda dealership and and get a 2018 crf450 leftover OTD for under $7500.

soopah noviss wrote:

...but, but, but vital says 99% of the people on here cannot use the orange/white, green, blue or red bikes to their full potential anyhow. Save...

...but, but, but vital says 99% of the people on here cannot use the orange/white, green, blue or red bikes to their full potential anyhow. Save your money and go yellow, no? Only pros can notice it's deficiencies.

BobKerr wrote:

99% of non-pro riders (myself included) could improve their lap times by dropping some weight and getting in better shape.

toostroke wrote:

If Suzuki wants to refill there bank accounts all they have to do is release a 125 and a 250 two stroke. I’d buy in a...

If Suzuki wants to refill there bank accounts all they have to do is release a 125 and a 250 two stroke. I’d buy in a heartbeat

Stuntman949 wrote:

No more RMX450Z

Speeder757 wrote:

The 250 needed different spring rates

colvin227 wrote:

That I am surprised, that they didn’t throw a lighter spring in the 250F. But shoot the 2019 came out so late that it is basically...

That I am surprised, that they didn’t throw a lighter spring in the 250F. But shoot the 2019 came out so late that it is basically a 19.5 anyhow they should have just made a running change and thrown the lighter springs on it, cause that was the only thing really holding it back in comparisons

mxb2 wrote:

Ktm, husky,tm,yamaha. Make new great bikes. Support them.

Underground wrote:

All new 2021's coming out earlier than the competition. Stamp it

mxb2 wrote:

Ktm, husky,tm,yamaha. Make new great bikes. Support them.

toostroke wrote:

I know I just think the old Suzukis are sick but I love the 2019 yz125 and husky