2018 Supercross Format Changes

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10/23/2017 4:51 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 4:54 PM

darrennerrad wrote:

I don't like the changes. In my opinion it robs the spectators of being able to watch more racing, and furthermore if a top ...more

Personally I'd rather no LCQ. Sudden death for me. If something goes wrong in the heat, you're done if you can't catch back up to 9th (I'd make it 11 and no DNQ er LCQ). Results are too predictable as is, I'd rather see the occasional favorite watching the main from the stands. The factories and ticket holders will all cry snowflake tears, so I get it that we still have the LCQ. The show would be too short without it, it's the alleged "B Main" where 5 advance so it matters. I'll get over it.

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10/23/2017 4:56 PM

darrennerrad wrote:

I don't like the changes. In my opinion it robs the spectators of being able to watch more racing, and furthermore if a top ...more

Johnny Depp wrote:

Personally I'd rather no LCQ. Sudden death for me. If something goes wrong in the heat, you're done if you can't catch back up ...more

I respect your opinion, I just enjoy watching more races.

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10/23/2017 5:15 PM

So with 3 mains this puts even more emphasis on the start. Maybe Brayton can win it all this year.

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10/23/2017 5:33 PM

Titan1 wrote:

Hmmm...I've been following this sport since the early 90's, and I'm confused....I can only imagine how confusing this is going ...more

So do you believe MEC tv ratings bows the rest of the supercross season out of the water?

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10/23/2017 6:21 PM

Since there are 2 East/West shootouts, is one of the coasts going to have less races in their championship?

This may have a bit of an effect on end of year points and next years racing number.

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10/23/2017 6:41 PM

Reese95w wrote:

Lame getting rid of the Semis. Now the Heats will go back to follow the leader fests with just the riders in 8th & 9th ...more

GuyB wrote:

I do like that you see the top guys on the track more. Before, you had the top qualifiers sitting in the semi, waiting, while ...more

During the single main event format we are getting less racing, the best of the best aren't in those missing races every week, but last season there were great battles for 4th in the heat races to not have to go to the semi. Dungey and Tomac had to race Semi races last season.

The time gap between the heats and main events will probably be the same without having the Semi races. So I'd rather watch the guys that are normally battling in the semis get their time to shine than the bulldozers, sumo races, or whatever radio show intermission gimmick they come up with next.

Now the 3 main event format will be all stars all night. So we will see how that goes. I would have preferred 3 equal 12 to 15 minute main events, but it is what it is. If it doesn't work, they can always change it to something worse. lol It's their sport, we just get to watch it.

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10/23/2017 6:46 PM

Roorda085 wrote:

Since there are 2 East/West shootouts, is one of the coasts going to have less races in their championship?

This may have a ...more

That is going to happen. It has happened before with 1 coast having more races, but back then they didn't award points for national numbers.

It looks like 10 West rounds to 9 East rounds. They need to add 1 more E/W race from the West coast races to balance it out. Maybe Houston (if it wasn't race #2) or Dallas. I get they don't want to make the first East round an E/W race, but they have done that in the past and the series that was already racing normally won the race.

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10/23/2017 7:29 PM

THIS is death to the privateers, especially the 250 riders that usually qualify in the 25-40 range. Having multiple east west shootouts along with the "triple crown" will have these guys waisting time and money showing up.

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10/23/2017 7:51 PM

d394 wrote:

THIS is death to the privateers, especially the 250 riders that usually qualify in the 25-40 range. Having multiple east west ...more

Why is this especially bad for 250 riders? It's only one extra shootout.

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10/23/2017 8:28 PM

d394 wrote:

THIS is death to the privateers, especially the 250 riders that usually qualify in the 25-40 range. Having multiple east west ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

Why is this especially bad for 250 riders? It's only one extra shootout.

Basically the 450 privateers will have the triple crown, 3 rounds that they will not stand a chance (for a qualifying position into the night program.) Now for the 250 riders, they will have 2 shootouts and 3 rounds totaling 5 rounds in which only team riders will actually make the night program. It's pretty rare that a non team rider qualifies top 20 out of practice.

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10/23/2017 8:36 PM

d394 wrote:

THIS is death to the privateers, especially the 250 riders that usually qualify in the 25-40 range. Having multiple east west ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

Why is this especially bad for 250 riders? It's only one extra shootout.

Because the guys that make mains on one coast and finish 12-22nd and make some money in purse and contingency won't make the main and won't make money at all.

I know a lot of 250 guys don't bother going to Vegas because they are bubble guys and with the extra factory guys they don't have a realistic chance. Not worth the risk.

The privateers are not a priority to the promoters because they have no measurable impact on crowd sizes, yes people have their favorites, but really are you going to spend $50+ to watch privateers, 98% of the fans are there for the factory stars, the privateers are field fillers at most. With the Triple Main race format you don't need field fillers, you only need 44 guys total. I could see a cap being applied to limit the total number of riders invited to each race with a pool of fill in riders. Smaller field=smaller pit area=less fence rental/less security/etc.= less expenses = more profit.

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10/23/2017 8:36 PM

Reading some these threads reminds me of asking my old girlfriend where she wants get something to eat.

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10/23/2017 9:32 PM

colintrax wrote:

I like it, am racing will be cool to watch and I'm hopeful the 3 motos will make for more/better racing. Glad semis are gone. ...more

PlainEnvelopes wrote:

It would be col if they had the top am guys race on Saturday. (250 A class)

I am glad they went back to no Semi's.

It would be cool if the 250 class was actually for the privateers/amateurs. Push the teams with semi's into the premier class where they belong.

As for the rest of the rule changes, I love the 3 moto format for main events. Punch my ticket for those races. Im all aboard. It will make for WAAAY more entertainment value. I fully expect this to be the norm for all tour stops in years to come.

As for the points scoring, I wont be happy until they score it based on average finish. Lowest score at the end of the year wins. It makes sense. It's fair.

I hate weighted scoring.

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10/23/2017 9:59 PM

I'm down. Let's see how it plays out.

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10/24/2017 3:19 AM

I'm not sure I like with the triple crown style, changing the sx format in Aus didn't work but it may work iover there if they only keep it to a couple of times and not every week like they tried over here, yes it bought the riders closer together but the standard of competition dropped and became just a quick sprint race instead of a 20min/ 20lap decent race, it seemed like there was more deliberate "bumping riders out" than racing by the guys that weren't quite at the top level, as much as people say dungey being out in front was boring well what is the level or pace endurance etc to strive for if you have nothing to chase? I think privateers in the 450 class will get less tv time which may not help them in trying to attract backing for their rides. But just my opinion which really isn't worth shit haha

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10/24/2017 5:33 AM

Extending the heats and lcq is just going to make for more boring racing. I like the short races where everyone’s bunched up going for the final transfer spot. This will now just seperate everyone a little more. Although the multiple east/west shootout is cool.

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10/24/2017 5:35 AM

Privateer class

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10/24/2017 5:38 AM

Points change is dumb...are they changing the points for nationals too?

If not, then that makes it confusing. Is MXGP changing their point system (since SX and mxgp are both under the FIM)?


Points should have been left alone in my opinion. I like how they changed the points, but the gap from 1st to 3rd is still the same...some kind of special right there. The only change I would made regarding points is eliminate 2 guys from the mains or award 21st and 22nd no points.

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10/24/2017 5:53 AM

The problem is not seeing the stars racing on track enough right? What about instead of semi races, there is a "dash for cash/points"? Top 9 riders qualify for the main event, rest go to LCQ, but instead of racing the semi, the top 4 from each heat race do a 3 lap shootout for points and cash. Almost like super pole in Europe. Winner of this dash gets 3 championship points, second place gets 2, third gets one point. That way we see more of the top guys racing, and not the mid pack guys. Also too, guys with blistering speed can make up points here.

Honestly, when watching the races on tv, as soon as the 450 heats are done, I change the channel until the main events, sometimes the 450 LCQ. I just don't like watching the semis. They're boring to me. We want the faster riders on the track more, but make it worth them going out there.

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10/24/2017 6:57 AM

Taking away the semis sucks just like it did the last time they tried it...

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10/24/2017 8:17 AM

Reese95w wrote:

Lame getting rid of the Semis. Now the Heats will go back to follow the leader fests with just the riders in 8th & 9th ...more

RichieW13 wrote:

Yeah, it would be nice to make the heats worth a few points.

Virtually any rider that makes the main has a contract that will pay them for Heat race wins, probably holeshots too. They are also increasing their gate pick choice, although with a starting gate it doesn't make much difference IMO. I'd still rather see gate pick by lottery to keep it interesting, I don't want the fast guys up front to just check out.

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10/24/2017 8:18 AM

JB 19 wrote:

Reading some these threads reminds me of asking my old girlfriend where she wants get something to eat.

^^^^^^^ Haha!! So perfect!!!

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10/24/2017 8:45 AM

I think if they wanted to make things more exciting they should be finding a way to tighten up the program. There's waaaay too much downtime in between the races. Especially going from the semis to the main. Take away 15 minutes of waiting and you got yourself a better show. Same reason football is such a terrible sport, too much time waiting for something to happen.

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10/24/2017 9:13 AM

1. Lame. Choose one or the other.
2. Lame. All rounds should run the same.
3. Lame. Short, intense heat races were fun. Semi's provide more coverage for 2nd tier riders.
4. Lame. All races should be same length, to help new fans follow along.
5. Ok. Points should be different for each position. I'm not sure where the "increased gap for podium positons" is coming from. It's the same differential. I woud like to see the Nationals pay points to all 40 riders.
6. I like it as a fan but I wouldn't be happy as a rider.
7. All for it.
8. Road to SX is a good idea in theory, but the execution is terrible. If a rider can earn enough points in an amateur SX, why make them do an AX? Clearly, it's a money-making tactic disguised as safety. Also, if a rider can earn points at a national, then they should be granted an exception from having to chase RTS points.

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10/24/2017 9:45 AM

...rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic wont keep the ship from sinking.

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10/24/2017 10:20 AM

Katoomey wrote:

...rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic wont keep the ship from sinking.

What makes you think the ship is sinking?

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1/1/2018 3:36 PM

So in the triple crown events - each race of the three is said to be a main.
How is purse money paid out - per Main or the overall night winner via Olympic point system (1 pt for first, 2 pts for second and so on as the rules state).

And how do the teams pay out bonus money for these races (each main or overall for the night)?














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1/1/2018 5:09 PM

Spat24 wrote:

So in the triple crown events - each race of the three is said to be a main.
How is purse money paid out - per Main or the ...more

Those events basically use the same format found at the amateur level. Essentially each "main" is like a moto. The rider with the best score/points after all 3 mains/motos wins the overall for the night. Contingency and Bonuses are awarded for the overall just like any of the other races.

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