2018 Supercross Format Changes

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10/23/2017 11:58 AM

I was looking at the TV schedule and was wondering why some of the East coast rounds are being broadcast at 10pm?

Anyone know if that's just a mistake? I don't see why they should air that late unless they're delayed for whatever reason.

Atlanta SX March 3rd at 10pm EST

Minneapolis SX April 14th at 10pm EST

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10/23/2017 11:59 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 11:59 AM

RandyS wrote:

I hated when they eliminated semis the last time and I don't like it anymore now but whatever. BUT, if you're going to mess ...more

Read it again, they did increase the benefit of a win.

I disagree and would go the other way to make for a closer championship battle at the end with less riders mathematically eliminated too early.

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10/23/2017 12:00 PM

i like it

semi races made the show drag. the 3 races with 3 races will be a breath of fresh air.

some of you guys would bitch about being hung with a new rope

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10/23/2017 12:02 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 12:04 PM

I think the Triple Crown format is a recipe for more injuries with the Supercross Main Events being six minutes +1 lap for the first main, ten minutes plus +1 for the second. Two 20 Minute Main Events would accomplish the same end result of having the best riders on the track longer.

Still no changes to the ridiculously outdated "Double-Displacement Rule", and I'd like to see Timed Practice go away as well.

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10/23/2017 12:02 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 12:08 PM

I'm glad they changed the points payout as I've long thought the winner should be awarded more. Also glad they kept timed races. The sand SX seems pretty cool, too.

Edit: Nevermind, my dumbass misread the new points payout, it's really no different other than awarding points all the way to 22nd.

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10/23/2017 12:04 PM

Hell yeah, I’m glad they are adjusting and testing different formats. I like that the semis are gone. Couldn’t stand em. I think the 3 moto format is where it is at. Every race we watch will have the best riders and everything we see counts.

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10/23/2017 12:06 PM

GangGreen wrote:

I think the Triple Crown format is a recipe for more injuries with the Supercross Main Events being six minutes +1 lap for the ...more

Well not when you have runaway races like most we watch.

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10/23/2017 12:11 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 12:32 PM

mx617 wrote:

I must be the only guy in here that likes the semis? Ducks that they are going away, especially for the mid level teams. A ...more

Rewindcaz wrote:

That's the biggest bummer of it all, semi races made for super intense heat races.

Otherwise, it's nice to see them making ...more

My problem with the semis is they haven't been semis for some time. They are consolation races. IMO they should take the top half of the heat races to the semi and no one advances straight to the main. The problem is, with only 40 riders that doesn't work. As long as 250's are separate this is the best they could do.

The promoter's don't owe TV and track time to slower riders. They have been getting semi's and lcq time for decades and they are still not earning a decent living. Most of these guy's day jobs pay better.
There is also the 250 class to choose.

The different length mains will hopefully bring different results. 7 minutes gives the "local" hot rod a chance to get a holeshot and stay up front before running out of conditioning. 15 minutes is enough time for conditioning to matter, but not so much to get boring.

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10/23/2017 12:27 PM

GuyB wrote:

Well, we can say with some assurance that we won't be watching any Dungey runaways this year... wink

Haha for sure. My point was it just means that someone else has a shot in the night to come in and get the holeshot/race win. More starts means the racing is kept tighter which is more entertaining.

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10/23/2017 12:29 PM

8tensolutions wrote:

Unfortunately, it is not the promoters responsibility for the riders to make a living. Just like NASCAR, NFL, etc, the ...more

Why not?

In the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc. those bodies are essentially the promoters. They collect the TV money and distribute to teams, who use it to pay players. The teams get gate revenue and use some to that to pay players. The players generally get somewhere around 50% of the total combined revenues.

What percentage of Feld's total revenue goes to the purse? (I don't know the answer.) I think about $125,000 goes to the race purse and about $25,000 each race goes to the season-end points fund. So $150,000 per event goes from Feld to the riders. I have no idea what kind of revenue Feld gets per round, but it must be way more than $300k.

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10/23/2017 12:29 PM

peelout wrote:

i like it

semi races made the show drag. the 3 races with 3 races will be a breath of fresh air.

some of you guys would ...more

I don't want any rope burns before I die.

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10/23/2017 12:36 PM

I like the changes. The Triple Crown will be great.

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10/23/2017 12:41 PM

Johnny Depp wrote:

Read it again, they did increase the benefit of a win.

I disagree and would go the other way to make for a closer ...more

It's only a benefit compared to finishing outside the top 4. Since the champion rarely finishes outside the top 4, I don't understand the reasoning for this. (Last year was an unusually close finish, so any tweak was likely to change things.)

Instead, it is just going to put more separation between the top few guys and the rest of the pack. Which I think is already one of the problems with this sport. There are usually only 4 or 5 guys capable of winning a main, and even fewer with a realistic shot at the championship after a few rounds.

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10/23/2017 12:42 PM

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I was looking at the TV schedule and was wondering why some of the East coast rounds are being broadcast at 10pm?

Anyone know ...more

They might sell a few more tickets if it was delayed? Perhaps they are trying to make the times more consistent as they move from coast to coast? Damn those West Coast races sure run late, it's hard to drink AND stay awake during some of the boredom. Maybe the format will help that problem.

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10/23/2017 12:43 PM

GangGreen wrote:

I think the Triple Crown format is a recipe for more injuries with the Supercross Main Events being six minutes +1 lap for the ...more

By "timed practice" are you talking about qualifying? If you eliminated that, how would you determine which riders make the night show and how would you seed for gate picks?

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10/23/2017 12:46 PM

It's a good mixup. But, how are those tracks at the triple crown going to hold up? Need to do the math, but these tracks we're suffering enough last year with the timed mains, and now you're increasing the total race time? Not sure how that will work.

I think the amateur thing is too much. All for getting riders more experience, but now it seems like you're forcing the hand with some; ride arenacross consistently. Why not use the extra $ to put their show on and give it back to some of the pro riders? [Insert "B" main idea].

Let those guys ride arenacross and keep that series healthy.

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10/23/2017 12:50 PM

mx617 wrote:

I must be the only guy in here that likes the semis? Ducks that they are going away, especially for the mid level teams. A ...more

Rewindcaz wrote:

That's the biggest bummer of it all, semi races made for super intense heat races.

Otherwise, it's nice to see them making ...more

Exactly. Now since there are no semis, if a guy is running 6th in his heat hes not going to be worried about trying to qualify. Also if a guy has a problem in his heat, he gets one chance to correct it and get into the main, thats a bummer. I like having the semis, teams get more exposure that way too.

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10/23/2017 12:55 PM

So Indy will have a east / west shootout?!? Any more details on this?

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10/23/2017 12:57 PM

So no announcement on the metal starting gate?
And can you imagine seeing 6 rider 250 teams at Indy and vegas like they are in the outdoors? Will some teams bring 2 trucks?

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10/23/2017 12:57 PM

miketherider wrote:

It's a good mixup. But, how are those tracks at the triple crown going to hold up? Need to do the math, but these tracks we're ...more

It looks like the triple crown could be way more track time, depending on if the track gets rebuilt after the "qualifying" rounds or not. Are those going to be part of the main show, like heat races, or the pre-show like timed qualifying?

Anyway, with last year's format I count 69 minutes of racing, plus 10 laps.

For triple crown it would be 69 minute of racing, plus 8 laps. PLUS 40 minutes of racing for the qualifying rounds.

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10/23/2017 12:59 PM

JK105 wrote:

So Indy will have a east / west shootout?!? Any more details on this?

Looks to be same as the Las Vegas shootout this year (2017).

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10/23/2017 1:00 PM

miketherider wrote:

It's a good mixup. But, how are those tracks at the triple crown going to hold up? Need to do the math, but these tracks we're ...more

We got a B main, it's called LCQ.

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10/23/2017 1:00 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 1:04 PM

RichieW13 wrote:

It looks like the triple crown could be way more track time, depending on if the track gets rebuilt after the "qualifying" ...more

Probably timed qualifying and lcq to get into night show for "triple crown" format.

Also i count 63 minutes plus 6 laps.

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10/23/2017 1:02 PM

6 minute race for 250 triple crown seems too short. Sand track could be cool, thinking back to Miami 1989 where Bradshaw put on a show. But how will the teams practice for the sand SX? Go to Florida and ride Croom for the week or make their own sand track at the Bakery, or Baggett's, etc... At least it will be a one off to where anything can happen, that is the exciting factor. Did they say anything about the metal grate start? I don't like that one bit.

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10/23/2017 1:12 PM

I like the idea of the series within the series, and have a good or bad night at any of them can have big points implications.

As a long time fan, I can tell you I get viewer fatigue watching essentially the same thing 17 weeks in a row. And when I dont watch libe, I usually end up fast forwarding through tbe semis. This seems like a cool way to freshen things up without the artificiality of a points chase.

Looking forward to seeing how this works out!

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10/23/2017 1:13 PM

RandyS wrote:

I hated when they eliminated semis the last time and I don't like it anymore now but whatever. BUT, if you're going to mess ...more

Johnny Depp wrote:

Read it again, they did increase the benefit of a win.

I disagree and would go the other way to make for a closer ...more

Not over 2nd and 3rd. Getting 2nd or 3rd is now less of a disadvantage than it was over winning by more than half a percentage point. In addition 2nd and 3rd is more of a benefit over 4th down. Meaning, a guy like Tomac in theory would have lost by more to Dungey than last year. Maybe I'll run the numbers tonight if someone else doesn't but I bet Dungey wins last year by 10 to 15 using the new system.

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10/23/2017 1:16 PM

twizzler wrote:

6 minute race for 250 triple crown seems too short. Sand track could be cool, thinking back to Miami 1989 where Bradshaw put ...more

I think the sand track is a similar concept to Endurocross obstacles without getting too Endurocrossy. It slows the riders down, lot's of roost makes for good visuals, likely some slow speed tip overs with less injuries due to landing in sand. This should add unpredictability and make for some highlight reel bloopers.

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10/23/2017 1:18 PM

early wrote:

Probably timed qualifying and lcq to get into night show for "triple crown" format.

Also i count 63 minutes plus 6 laps.

I was counting the LCQ's as part of the main show. I think eliminating the non-qualifiers from the main show is a bummer. Those guys provide some of the most exciting racing.

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10/23/2017 1:20 PM

RichieW13 wrote:

I was counting the LCQ's as part of the main show. I think eliminating the non-qualifiers from the main show is a bummer. ...more

Agreed, hope the lcq is on tv.

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10/23/2017 1:20 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/23/2017 1:26 PM

resetjet wrote:

Feld clearly doesnt understand the acronym KISS. I like the changes and i understand testing the waters but to a non moto guy ...more

Amateurs will race the following day on a tamed down track. Hopefully we'll be able to watch the races via Livestream.com like they do with RC's Amateur Daytona SX.

They haven't announced any of the classes but I can't see them having everyone from the 50cc to the Vet classes since this will be a 1 day format and the crew has to deconstruct the track. The track crew usually begin doing that right after the mains are over since they are pressed for time.

I'm hoping the classes will be Superminis, Schoolboy class on the 125's and the "B" and "A" classes. Any other classes I think would be unnecessary seeing as it looks like their whole plan is to develop the future stars of SX/MX.



Edit: Just saw the post above. 27 classes for a 1 day event I think is a lot but I guess it doesn't matter since they're in a stadium with lights.

Looks like SX will be the main focus for a lot of people going forward. I guess FELD will be adding more and more SX events as the years go by. Sucks!

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