2018 Rmz450 Older Shock

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Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the new akit for the 18 or can you swap an older stock shock on to the 18?
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No. The previous RM-Z 450 shock will not work. It is not the length or mounts, it is the reservoir that hits the frame. I do know that one model of the Ohlins will fit.
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Naanak wrote:
Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the...
Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the new akit for the 18 or can you swap an older stock shock on to the 18?
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC in SX...
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rmgsxr wrote:
No. The previous RM-Z 450 shock will not work. It is not the length or mounts, it is the reservoir that hits the frame. I do...
No. The previous RM-Z 450 shock will not work. It is not the length or mounts, it is the reservoir that hits the frame. I do know that one model of the Ohlins will fit.
Probably this one, but it's all new.

https://www.ohlins.com/product-item/62839/
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Here’s a pic. I guess it just looks more similar then I thought.

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A few guys here in New Zealand are running WP shocks
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Naanak wrote:
Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the...
Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the new akit for the 18 or can you swap an older stock shock on to the 18?
ML512 wrote:
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC...
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC in SX...




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m.hardesty16 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234867/s1200_F9AB2E87_AE92_4076_ABFA_0B459E907FC9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234868/s1200_1572C61B_B23C_4A5B_BD35_0954813AB7BB.jpg[/img]




That definitely looks like the older style shock body.
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Naanak wrote:
Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the...
Asking for a buddy. On the new Suzuki I’ve seen a few bikes with the older style shock. With jgr being one is it just the new akit for the 18 or can you swap an older stock shock on to the 18?
ML512 wrote:
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC...
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC in SX...
m.hardesty16 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234867/s1200_F9AB2E87_AE92_4076_ABFA_0B459E907FC9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234868/s1200_1572C61B_B23C_4A5B_BD35_0954813AB7BB.jpg[/img]




That’s a new billet “Works” Showa body that’s been made for that bike. My comment was aimed towards a kit shock the public can buy. The shock JGR and Hanny have isn’t available to the public....Bisceglia doesn’t even have one.

Hansen gets direct help from Showa.

None of the previous RM-Z bodies or kit Showa shocks will fit the new frame. A few guys are running a newer KTM shock body and adjuster with the previous RM-Z shaft, clevis and piston in it.
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m.hardesty16 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234867/s1200_F9AB2E87_AE92_4076_ABFA_0B459E907FC9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234868/s1200_1572C61B_B23C_4A5B_BD35_0954813AB7BB.jpg[/img]




Naanak wrote:
That definitely looks like the older style shock body.
The Older body has a huge amount of offset...
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TeamGreen 12/29/2017 4:35pm
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The new bike's linkage ratio is different, also. There is a WP body that fits. There's an Ohlins that fits, too.

Some of you are looking at a shock that you think is the "old" shock; but, the location of the reservoir is quite a bit different.

The trick question: what does one of those Showa Billet Bodies go for? Because, I'm thinking the '17 RMZ450 internals fit.
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The new bike's linkage ratio is different, also. There is a WP body that fits. There's an Ohlins that fits, too. Some of you are looking...
The new bike's linkage ratio is different, also. There is a WP body that fits. There's an Ohlins that fits, too.

Some of you are looking at a shock that you think is the "old" shock; but, the location of the reservoir is quite a bit different.

The trick question: what does one of those Showa Billet Bodies go for? Because, I'm thinking the '17 RMZ450 internals fit.
Couple thousand dollars and they fit because it’s still a traditional shock, not a BFR.
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Naanak 12/29/2017 4:54pm
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Thanks for the info. I tried to word initially if it was maybe a works piece because it was only on jgr and a few others.
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Bruce372 12/29/2017 6:04pm
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I wonder if a showa body from a recent Honda could be
Used with rmz shaft etc?
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Bruce372 wrote:
I wonder if a showa body from a recent Honda could be
Used with rmz shaft etc?
Nope, one of the guys at Showa already went through this with trial and error...
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Bruce372 wrote:
I wonder if a showa body from a recent Honda could be
Used with rmz shaft etc?
ML512 wrote:
Nope, one of the guys at Showa already went through this with trial and error...
Maybe someone could just chop off the reservoir and weld up a connection for a remote setup?
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Bruce372 12/29/2017 7:01pm
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Or maybe people need to find a good tuner for the stock setup lol
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Photos of the WP unit installed. Appears to be off an older KTM model, prior to 2016.





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ML512 12/29/2017 8:59pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Or maybe people need to find a good tuner for the stock setup lol
The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line up with it...RV...and it was off the bike the following weekend. Quite a few riders on different brands have tested it and none have committed to lining up with it due to the feel.
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Bruce372 12/29/2017 9:29pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Or maybe people need to find a good tuner for the stock setup lol
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The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line...
The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line up with it...RV...and it was off the bike the following weekend. Quite a few riders on different brands have tested it and none have committed to lining up with it due to the feel.
Could a good welder cut the reservoir off and weld back innthe right spot?
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Bruce372 wrote:
Or maybe people need to find a good tuner for the stock setup lol
ML512 wrote:
The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line...
The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line up with it...RV...and it was off the bike the following weekend. Quite a few riders on different brands have tested it and none have committed to lining up with it due to the feel.
Bruce372 wrote:
Could a good welder cut the reservoir off and weld back innthe right spot?
With the BFR it’s not the resovoir but the internal design that’s the problem...

And in the case of rewelding a prior year shock, no...it wouldn’t work...
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Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?

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ML512 wrote:
The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line...
The design and characteristics of that shock don’t lend itself to Supercross...Showa has a Works version of this shock and I’ve only seen one rider line up with it...RV...and it was off the bike the following weekend. Quite a few riders on different brands have tested it and none have committed to lining up with it due to the feel.
Bruce372 wrote:
Could a good welder cut the reservoir off and weld back innthe right spot?
ML512 wrote:
With the BFR it’s not the resovoir but the internal design that’s the problem... And in the case of rewelding a prior year shock, no...it wouldn’t...
With the BFR it’s not the resovoir but the internal design that’s the problem...

And in the case of rewelding a prior year shock, no...it wouldn’t work...
First world problems....?
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Badd127 wrote:
Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234934/s1200_20170401_190246.jpg[/img]
Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?

No, 2017 KYB Factory shock body wont fit into new frame. 2018 KYB Factory shock is available next month from Technical Touch.
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Badd127 wrote:
Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234934/s1200_20170401_190246.jpg[/img]
Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?

needforspeed78 wrote:
No, 2017 KYB Factory shock body wont fit into new frame. 2018 KYB Factory shock is available next month from Technical Touch.
Let's see where this goes...
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What's wrong with the stock shock?
m.hardesty16 12/30/2017 3:59am
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ML512 wrote:
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC...
No previous RM-Z or Showa kit shock body will fit the new frame. Part of the reason why Matty B is still running a production BFRC in SX...
m.hardesty16 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234867/s1200_F9AB2E87_AE92_4076_ABFA_0B459E907FC9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234868/s1200_1572C61B_B23C_4A5B_BD35_0954813AB7BB.jpg[/img]




ML512 wrote:
That’s a new billet “Works” Showa body that’s been made for that bike. My comment was aimed towards a kit shock the public can buy. The...
That’s a new billet “Works” Showa body that’s been made for that bike. My comment was aimed towards a kit shock the public can buy. The shock JGR and Hanny have isn’t available to the public....Bisceglia doesn’t even have one.

Hansen gets direct help from Showa.

None of the previous RM-Z bodies or kit Showa shocks will fit the new frame. A few guys are running a newer KTM shock body and adjuster with the previous RM-Z shaft, clevis and piston in it.
Will anything be available in the future?
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Badd127 wrote:
Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234934/s1200_20170401_190246.jpg[/img]
Does anyone know if the kyb Facrory kit shock from 17 will fit the 18? Is there any way possible?

needforspeed78 wrote:
No, 2017 KYB Factory shock body wont fit into new frame. 2018 KYB Factory shock is available next month from Technical Touch.
TeamGreen wrote:
Let's see where this goes...
What do you mean TeamGreen ?
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m.hardesty16 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234867/s1200_F9AB2E87_AE92_4076_ABFA_0B459E907FC9.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/12/29/234868/s1200_1572C61B_B23C_4A5B_BD35_0954813AB7BB.jpg[/img]




ML512 wrote:
That’s a new billet “Works” Showa body that’s been made for that bike. My comment was aimed towards a kit shock the public can buy. The...
That’s a new billet “Works” Showa body that’s been made for that bike. My comment was aimed towards a kit shock the public can buy. The shock JGR and Hanny have isn’t available to the public....Bisceglia doesn’t even have one.

Hansen gets direct help from Showa.

None of the previous RM-Z bodies or kit Showa shocks will fit the new frame. A few guys are running a newer KTM shock body and adjuster with the previous RM-Z shaft, clevis and piston in it.
m.hardesty16 wrote:
Will anything be available in the future?
As mentioned prior, there’s an Ohlins shock available, then KYB, Showa, and WP all have kit shocks in the works.

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