2018 Beta 2t's, a new 125/200, new frame, engine development

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The 125 has a photo just released on Steve Holcomb's Instagram (EnduroGP points leader on Beta 300) and the 200 is expected any day. Should become official tomorrow? New smaller engine 350 and 1st 250 4t expected at EICMA show in November. The Race Editions always run several months later I hope they include a dedicated XC/MX modelSmile These bikes are already state of the art on any surface and it appears the updates and weight loss will only enhance that.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVP_RPWFqNf/?taken-by=steve_holcombe&hl=en



2018's http://www.dirtrider.com/2018-beta-250-300-rr-first-look

http://mailchi.mp/153a728d8ff8/new-arrivals












The 4 strokes get the same chassis, suspensions, plastics and clutch updates. New 2 injectors will allow individual mapping for each engine size. 350/390/430/480.







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Was hoping to see them jump into FI on the smokers.
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Johnny Depp 6/12/2017 4:06pm
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It appears they are getting past E4 regulations with a carb. Not sure about E5?
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They are exempt due to low production numbers, same with Sherco, Beta, GasGas etc.
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ga_pike 6/12/2017 4:43pm
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We really need to see more of these in the US... along with TM, Gas Gas, etc.

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motosurf 6/12/2017 4:56pm
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ga_pike wrote:
We really need to see more of these in the US... along with TM, Gas Gas, etc.
Come to cali. Tons of tm's out here. A lot of 85 TM's more than anything
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Johnny Depp 6/12/2017 5:52pm
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nytsmaC wrote:
They are exempt due to low production numbers, same with Sherco, Beta, GasGas etc.
Those are Euro emissions programs, and they are not exempt.

KTM pulled the 200, why I don't know, Beta has to meet the same standard. Beta is committed to staying with the carbs as long as they can still pass the standards. FI is likely still down the road, just not yet.

I think Moto fans should rejoice that some companies have not given up on development of existing and new 2-strokes. Having 2 new models available is a good thing.
sixtwentyeight 6/12/2017 5:59pm
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I would love to see another manufacturer develop a 200 xc or mx bike. I rode an 04 200 sx once and loved it!
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I see a Beta 200 with oil injection in my garage
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sixtwentyeight wrote:
I would love to see another manufacturer develop a 200 xc or mx bike. I rode an 04 200 sx once and loved it!
GasGas is bringing back their 200xc this year. Should be interesting and hopefully they use a 125 based frame instead of the 250 frame like they did years ago.
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nytsmaC 6/12/2017 7:24pm
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Sherco also has a smallbore coming out.
sixtwentyeight 6/12/2017 9:02pm
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sixtwentyeight wrote:
I would love to see another manufacturer develop a 200 xc or mx bike. I rode an 04 200 sx once and loved it!
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GasGas is bringing back their 200xc this year. Should be interesting and hopefully they use a 125 based frame instead of the 250 frame like they...
GasGas is bringing back their 200xc this year. Should be interesting and hopefully they use a 125 based frame instead of the 250 frame like they did years ago.
Just checked out the gasgas website. No 200 listed yet. They sure do look nice thou.
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Johnny Depp 6/13/2017 10:54am
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The new 125 announced today, no mention of the 200 yet, dealers are told more announcements coming as soon as next week.

This is not a small jug on a big bike and bottom end. All new engine, chassis, tank, radiators, airbox etc.

http://mailchi.mp/1a962e8d9049/new-arrivals

https://www.freenduro.com/produits-enduro/2996-beta-125-rr-2018-les-inf…



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mx_563 6/13/2017 12:56pm
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I like all the new Euro Enduro bikes.

I don't know about the 200 but I hastily did some really quick online comparison shopping of the 300cc enduro variety.
Here's what I came up with:

Sherco 300 SE-R
MSRP ~ $8600
Weight: 231.5 lbs
Seat height: 37.4"
Ground Clearance: 13.78"
Fuel Capacity: 2.75 Gal

GasGas EC300
MSRP ~ $8399
Weight: 231.5 lbs
Seat height: 37.8"
Ground Clearance: N/A
Fuel Capacity: 2.64 Gal

Beta 300 RR
MSRP ~ $8299
Weight: 224.0
Seat Height: 36.6"
Ground Clearance: 12.6"
Fuel Capacity: 2.5 Gal

TM 300 EN
MSRP ~$9195
Seat height: N/A
Ground Clearance: N/A
Fuel Capacity: 2.5 Gal (optional 3.2 Gal)

By comparison to the others, the Beta seems like decent bang for the buck, a relatively lightweight package with lower seat height and ground clearance.

BTW: The KTM/Husq carbureted 300s....

KTM 300xc-w:
$8699
37.8" seat h.
~14.6" ground cl. (no linkage)
2.64 gallons

Husq TE300
$9199
37.8" seat h.
~ 14.6" ground cl. (has linkage)
2.64 gallons

I assume the new TPI models will be heavier and more expensive.

I thought I read somewhere that the Sherco's starter motor was located below the cases for lower CG.

I'm not sure what I'd go with. The TPI sounds great but there is little info out (price, weight, reliability, value, etc). The boutique bikes look great. I especially like the GasGas. But it's heavy and I don't think it's gone through the same amount of R&D as the KTM. Hard to go wrong with a Katoom/Husq.
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JW381 6/13/2017 1:23pm
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Damn, the world if Enduro is alive and well
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Johnny Depp 6/13/2017 1:28pm
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More on the Beta 125 2t at Dirt Rider:

http://www.dirtrider.com/2018-beta-125-rr-first-look#page-6



It's interesting to note that in the E3 EnduroGP last year, The class for 300 2t's (which everyone assumes KTM is the gold standard) Beta took 1st and 2nd, TM 3rd, and KTM 4th. The Overall EnduroGP was won by a Sherco with TM 2nd Husky 3rd. Even though the smaller Euro manufacturer's don't make waves in MX, they are giving Austria fits in the offroad world after years of Austrian dominance.
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JRT812 6/13/2017 1:29pm
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They look good... still wish KTM wouldn't have stopped the 200 production. Hoping they bring it back at some point.

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Johnny Depp 6/13/2017 1:49pm
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EnduroGP points leader Steve Holcomb puts the new 125 to the test. Not just a play bike..

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user760a 6/13/2017 9:01pm
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It appears that the two stroke is alive and well. Thriving in Europe, with European manufacturers.

Yet in the US it appears that most supposed two stroke lovers are spending their time and cubic dollars dredging up, restoring, and attempting to modernize ten year old japanese two strokes that are totally inferior to the new Euro bikes. Thats a real head scratcher
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Johnny Depp 6/19/2017 1:44pm
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The 2018 Dual Sports have been released also now. Almost the exact same changes with the exception of the twin fuel injectors (presumably due to the time required to get them through the Fed emissions?).

An 8.7lb weight reduction, all new clutch with a steel basket, elimination of the kickstarter while retaining an optional kit, new gear change mechanism, new chassis, new fork slider, new turn signals, new thermostat, new shock settings, new Excel rims, new colors and graphics.

http://dirtbikemagazine.com/2018-beta-dual-sport-bikes/

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Personally I would like to try out the Beta 300 2T, 430RR 4T ,and the Sherco 450 4T.
But it's just a dream...
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Johnny Depp 10/12/2017 10:04am
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The 2018 Beta Race Editions are revealed today. Usually these models are closed cartridge forks and bling, this year the 4 strokes are quite a bit different due to the dual injectors in the FI and the airbox and rear plastic.

Here's the bike Steve Holcombe is leading the EnduroGP's on, up by 47 points going into the final race.
(click it twice for superzoom)


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Motofinne 10/12/2017 10:17am
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user760a wrote:
It appears that the two stroke is alive and well. Thriving in Europe, with European manufacturers. Yet in the US it appears that most supposed two...
It appears that the two stroke is alive and well. Thriving in Europe, with European manufacturers.

Yet in the US it appears that most supposed two stroke lovers are spending their time and cubic dollars dredging up, restoring, and attempting to modernize ten year old japanese two strokes that are totally inferior to the new Euro bikes. Thats a real head scratcher
Then they claim that they will be the first ones outside the Japanese OEMs dealers the day they release a new 2-stroke, haha. Funny stuff indeed.

It's nice to see the smaller brands still developing the 2-stroke enduro bikes, i'm not in that market so it doesn't affect me but i'm sure lots of enduro/offroad people appreciate it!
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Johnny Depp 3/10/2018 2:04pm
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b_kowalsk wrote:
wonder what the price will be?
$7995.
It doesn't seem bad, unless you compare it to the 250 RR's that go for the same price with e-start and oil injection.

All new engine and downsized frame cost some R&D and who know about exchange rates?
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Johnny Depp wrote:
The Beta 125 RR 2t has finally hit the ground in the U.S. "Beta markets the bike as an off-road machine, but it’s competitive with 125...
The Beta 125 RR 2t has finally hit the ground in the U.S.

"Beta markets the bike as an off-road machine, but it’s competitive with 125 MX bikes..... In aggressive power mode, it runs a little stronger than a YZ125."

https://dirtbikemagazine.com/friday-wrap-riding-betas-new-2-stroke/



Now where's that 200?
feelit2morrow 3/10/2018 2:51pm
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JRT812 wrote:
They look good... still wish KTM wouldn't have stopped the 200 production. Hoping they bring it back at some point.
I had been out of riding for several years and decided to get back in recently. Many years ago I rode a KTM 200XC with a rekluse. I loved it and was intending on buying one coming back. I researched and realized they didn't make one anymore. I was bummed.

Obviously by my sig you can see I went a completely direction due to familiarity. But there would 100% be orange in my garage if they still made one.
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Do Betas come with an off-road title or an MC title? Would love to have a 300RR street legal. A few of my friends 300 KTM’s on the street. Possibly looking into becoming a Beta dealer.

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