2009 CRF450 recall...

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2/19/2009 3:26pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2016 8:11pm
Anyone have any news about this?
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2/19/2009 3:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:34pm
WORCSRacer wrote:
Anyone have any news about this?
Technically it isn't a recall, it's a "product update" for the decompression pin.

Copy of the letter posted to Honda dealer today
(from TT)

Dear Honda Dealer:

Next week we will launch a Product Update campaign to replace the decompression mechanism on 2009 CRF450Rs. This will improve the durability of the decompression plunger to prevent breakage and subsequent very difficult kick starting.

We will post the Service Bulletin on February 26, outlining the repair procedure to replace the decompression plunger and decompression weight. Customer letters are scheduled to mail in early March, timed to coincide with the first parts allocations. We expect to have an adequate supply of repair parts kits by the end of March.

Please check iN next week for complete details in the Service Bulletin.

Thank you.

American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
MC National Service Operations


Dealer Bulletin Page Pages File behind Dealer Guide Bulletin Tab
09-0089 1 of 1 SERVICE
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2/19/2009 3:37pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 10:34pm
you say update....


Thanks for the info
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A friend of mine just had his break last week. Pretty much took everything out with it.



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I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with VIN #'s that end in 2001 and up. I hope that is true.

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Camp332 wrote:
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with...
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with VIN #'s that end in 2001 and up. I hope that is true.
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But there are already some with VIN#s over 2000.

Some guys are saying that mking sure the idle is set high enough will help prevent the problem. There was an updated decompression pin released, but guys were still having problems with that one.

MDK has an updated pin available:

After a month of Aerospace level NDT(Non destructive testing) and countless hours of rider testing, MDK Speed is proud to offer a heavy duty decompression pin for the 09 CRF450. The pin is manufactured from high speed steel, using a combination of CNC machining and wire EDM for precision and reliability.

Price: $45.00

MDK Pin Link

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Contact MDK Speed, they have already developed an improved part. Those guys know their shit, and are always a treat to deal with.
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Camp332 wrote:
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with...
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with VIN #'s that end in 2001 and up. I hope that is true.
ProMed wrote:
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But...
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But there are already some with VIN#s over 2000.

Some guys are saying that mking sure the idle is set high enough will help prevent the problem. There was an updated decompression pin released, but guys were still having problems with that one.

MDK has an updated pin available:

After a month of Aerospace level NDT(Non destructive testing) and countless hours of rider testing, MDK Speed is proud to offer a heavy duty decompression pin for the 09 CRF450. The pin is manufactured from high speed steel, using a combination of CNC machining and wire EDM for precision and reliability.

Price: $45.00

MDK Pin Link

Why do people still believe CNC means anything? I have been machining for 16 years and my dad has been in it for over 30 and let me tell you some of the dumbest sum-bitches in the world work in machine shops. And yes, some of them run CNC's. (but the more burnt out ones tend to run manuals... just sayin')
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Camp332 wrote:
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with...
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with VIN #'s that end in 2001 and up. I hope that is true.
ProMed wrote:
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But...
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But there are already some with VIN#s over 2000.

Some guys are saying that mking sure the idle is set high enough will help prevent the problem. There was an updated decompression pin released, but guys were still having problems with that one.

MDK has an updated pin available:

After a month of Aerospace level NDT(Non destructive testing) and countless hours of rider testing, MDK Speed is proud to offer a heavy duty decompression pin for the 09 CRF450. The pin is manufactured from high speed steel, using a combination of CNC machining and wire EDM for precision and reliability.

Price: $45.00

MDK Pin Link

Wolfman wrote:
Why do people still believe CNC means anything? I have been machining for 16 years and my dad has been in it for over 30 and...
Why do people still believe CNC means anything? I have been machining for 16 years and my dad has been in it for over 30 and let me tell you some of the dumbest sum-bitches in the world work in machine shops. And yes, some of them run CNC's. (but the more burnt out ones tend to run manuals... just sayin')
I love when they use "Billet" for a simple cheap ass part.
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UMMM IF THEY WANT TO REPLACE A PART THAT COULD POSSIBLY FAIL....
THATS A RECALL...

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The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke.

The original CRF450 was junk.
The original CRF250 was a pile of shit.
The CRF150r is/was a ticking time bomb as well.

Do they not do their homework on these things or what?
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Camp332 wrote:
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with...
I heard about Honda recaling 450's with VIN #'s that last 4 digits are 2000 or lower. Apparently they did make the fix on 450's with VIN #'s that end in 2001 and up. I hope that is true.
ProMed wrote:
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But...
Nobody has reported that yet on the CRF450 board, hope it is true. There is a thread there keeping track of VINs with the problems. But there are already some with VIN#s over 2000.

Some guys are saying that mking sure the idle is set high enough will help prevent the problem. There was an updated decompression pin released, but guys were still having problems with that one.

MDK has an updated pin available:

After a month of Aerospace level NDT(Non destructive testing) and countless hours of rider testing, MDK Speed is proud to offer a heavy duty decompression pin for the 09 CRF450. The pin is manufactured from high speed steel, using a combination of CNC machining and wire EDM for precision and reliability.

Price: $45.00

MDK Pin Link

Did they use a Boeing Technique or maybe even an Airbus technique?
What method of testing did they use Radiography, EDDY Current FPI is it ferrous they might have used Mag Particle?
I hate the way the industry uses terms like Military or Aerospace STD's
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2/19/2009 6:19pm Edited Date/Time 2/19/2009 6:20pm
Wolfman wrote:
Why do people still believe CNC means anything? I have been machining for 16 years and my dad has been in it for over 30 and...
Why do people still believe CNC means anything? I have been machining for 16 years and my dad has been in it for over 30 and let me tell you some of the dumbest sum-bitches in the world work in machine shops. And yes, some of them run CNC's. (but the more burnt out ones tend to run manuals... just sayin')
Sounds like you know your stuff. How would you have made this little decompression pin differently and why?
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MxDaD324 wrote:
UMMM IF THEY WANT TO REPLACE A PART THAT COULD POSSIBLY FAIL....
THATS A RECALL...

I thought recalls were related to safety issues?
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MxDaD324 wrote:
UMMM IF THEY WANT TO REPLACE A PART THAT COULD POSSIBLY FAIL....
THATS A RECALL...

ProMed wrote:
I thought recalls were related to safety issues?
Suzuki recalled their breaking engine cases on the RMZ450
2/19/2009 6:34pm
According to Honda, who sent MXA an email Thursday about a service bulletin for the 2009 CRF450, they are going to fix the automatic compression release problems that some CRF450 owners have had. Honda dealers received a different a letter on Thursday informing them that a service bulletin will be released next week for the weight and plunger pin on the 2009 CRF450's automatic decompression release. MXA has included both letters below.

Here is the dealer letter:

Dear Honda Dealer:
Next week we will launch a Product Update campaign to replace the decompression mechanism on 2009 CRF450s. This will improve the durability of the decompression plunger to prevent breakage and subsequent very difficult kick starting.
We will post the Service Bulletin on February 26; outlining the repair procedure to replace the decompression plunger and decompression weight. Customer letters are scheduled to mail in early March, timed to coincide with the first parts allocations. We expect to have an adequate supply of repair parts kits by the end of March.
American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
MC National Service Operations

CRF450 owners can take their bikes back to the dealers to have the suspect parts replaced.

The compression release issue started almost immediately upon the release of the new bike, but Honda believed, at the time, that the problems were isolated incidents that they could handle on a one-by-one basis at the dealer level.

MXA first heard about the problem back on November 10, 2008, when Scottsdale's Chuck Franklin wrote us to say,

"Just read your informative story on the new CRF450. I could not be more pleased with my new bike, but it appears there may be a manufacturing issue. Specifically, on my third ride of my new Honda, the kick starter locked up. At first I thought it was the top end, but it turned out to be the auto compression release. A pin connecting the cam assembly broke and the compression release became inoperative. The bike has so much compression that my 210 pounds could not get the kick starter to budge, hence I thought I seized my bike.

"Skipping to the chase, Honda stepped up and immediately warranted the cam assembly and next day'ed it to my dealer. I have not heard of any other bikes having this problem, but thought I'd let you know if it became an issue for any of your readers."

MXA immediately contacted Honda, and we followed up virtually every week (and with every letter that we got from riders that had the same problem). Honda always told us that they were keeping an eye on the problem and would respond if it became widespread.

Honda has now been decided that the problem is more widespread and needs a service bulletin.

There will be no charge to CRF450 owners . Not all CRF450 are affected--there will be a VIN number list soon.




The fix is not complicated, involving only two parts, but expect your friendly local Honda dealer to need your bike for a day or two to do the warranty work. Can you ride your bike while waiting to get it to the dealer? It probably isn't a good idea, but in most cases you've been riding it since the bike was released without issue.


HONDA'S OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE

PRODUCT UPDATE FORTHCOMING FOR 2009 CRF450R

Torrance, CA: On February 26, 2009, American Honda will issue a Service Bulletin announcing a Product Update Campaign for 2009 CRF450R motorcycles within a certain affected VIN range. This update affects only the starter decompressor system, and customers can continue to safely operate their CRF450R in its present state in the interim but should get the motorcycle updated as soon as parts are available.

Honda dealerships will soon receive a detailed procedure for replacing the 2009 CRF450R decompressor pin and decompressor actuator weight/shaft as indicated. This change will improve the durability of the decompressor pin and prevent pin breakage that can result in very difficult or impossible kick starting. Delivery of necessary replacement parts should begin in early March 2009, with an adequate supply for all repairs by the end of March.

Not all 2009 CRF450Rs are affected by this product update, only those within the specified range. A complete listing of affected 2009 CRF450Rs will be issued with the upcoming bulletin and affected customers will be mailed a letter in early March.

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123 wrote:
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke. The original CRF450 was junk. The original...
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke.

The original CRF450 was junk.
The original CRF250 was a pile of shit.
The CRF150r is/was a ticking time bomb as well.

Do they not do their homework on these things or what?
Yamaha Does!!!
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123 wrote:
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke. The original CRF450 was junk. The original...
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke.

The original CRF450 was junk.
The original CRF250 was a pile of shit.
The CRF150r is/was a ticking time bomb as well.

Do they not do their homework on these things or what?
837wills wrote:
Yamaha Does!!!
There you go. every CRF I have owned has been a good bike but ended up consuming its valves in a hurry. I have never had the slightest motor trouble with a YZF and I have owned a shitload of them and beaten the snot out of them. i buy Yamaha only these days, especially after my 2006 RMZ450 nightmare. never again
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by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a rag in the airbox
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user760a wrote:
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a...
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a rag in the airbox
You are such a badass!
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I heard from a local guy as well that it actually feels much slower than last years KTM65SX.
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What???? A honda having a mechanical issue?? Say it isn't so.
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2/19/2009 8:13pm Edited Date/Time 2/19/2009 8:14pm
user760a wrote:
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a...
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a rag in the airbox
maybe something was wrong with it. my 09 is great. your not far from me, shelby nc. come out and ride one day, i'll prove it. =)
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2/19/2009 8:14pm Edited Date/Time 2/19/2009 8:29pm
123 wrote:
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke. The original CRF450 was junk. The original...
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke.

The original CRF450 was junk.
The original CRF250 was a pile of shit.
The CRF150r is/was a ticking time bomb as well.

Do they not do their homework on these things or what?
With all due respect and I mean all due respect, you are obviously a fucking retard.
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user760a wrote:
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a...
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a rag in the airbox
mxracer32 wrote:
maybe something was wrong with it. my 09 is great. your not far from me, shelby nc. come out and ride one day, i'll prove it...
maybe something was wrong with it. my 09 is great. your not far from me, shelby nc. come out and ride one day, i'll prove it. =)
user760a will ring the snot out of your bike. He is CORE!
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123 wrote:
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke. The original CRF450 was junk. The original...
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke.

The original CRF450 was junk.
The original CRF250 was a pile of shit.
The CRF150r is/was a ticking time bomb as well.

Do they not do their homework on these things or what?
WORCSRacer wrote:
With all due respect and I mean all due respect, you are obviously a fucking retard.
LMAO
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user760a wrote:
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a...
by the way, I got my first ride on an 09 crf450 the other day. trick bike but the motor runs like an xr400 with a rag in the airbox
mxracer32 wrote:
maybe something was wrong with it. my 09 is great. your not far from me, shelby nc. come out and ride one day, i'll prove it...
maybe something was wrong with it. my 09 is great. your not far from me, shelby nc. come out and ride one day, i'll prove it. =)
crickets...
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MxDaD324 wrote:
UMMM IF THEY WANT TO REPLACE A PART THAT COULD POSSIBLY FAIL....
THATS A RECALL...

ProMed wrote:
I thought recalls were related to safety issues?
davis224 wrote:
Suzuki recalled their breaking engine cases on the RMZ450
Maybe all models have to have the problem?
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123 wrote:
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke. The original CRF450 was junk. The original...
The 2009 Honda 450 is a completely brand new bike, making this yet another unreliable pile-of-shit new-release four stroke.

The original CRF450 was junk.
The original CRF250 was a pile of shit.
The CRF150r is/was a ticking time bomb as well.

Do they not do their homework on these things or what?
WORCSRacer wrote:
With all due respect and I mean all due respect, you are obviously a fucking retard.
I was only pointing out the obvious.
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we have had 2 of these issues come through our dealership out of like 50 bikes. We replaced the whole cams on both bikes. hopefully this update will solve the issues.

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