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but yeah it's hard to beat the schedule of a HS day..
also i agree with youand think some taiwian or chinese co
will kick some butt eventually,, if thet get past emmisions and some other regs.
i saw the closest knockoff of a CRF250R in koln last year,
unreal
retail was like 2600 or less.,.
not saying its a good or bad thing,,
but just like Kia, one iof them will learn to better the current product,
and it wouldnt take but a genuine interest in the marketplace ,,and effort to send the current struggling OEM's scampering ..
the big hurfdle fo ran aspiring co,, isnt even product quality,that can be addressed in one model year?
its a strong distrbution and dealer network .
in this current market i dont see anyone jumping in there,,
but if it returns a bit,, i wouldnt be shocked to see a challenge to the big 4 (5)
from somewhere like india/taiwan/china
i got a thirteen year old itchin for a 1 2 5 .
I was hoping they would go down the last few years but they still seem to be getting top dollar. I sure wish Yamaha offered a factory 300 kit like KTM does. Not sure I trust some of the aftermarket big bore cylinder stuff out there. Athena? Petersen? LA Sleeve?
"China’s state-owned giant Jialing Motorcycles has contracted New Zealand engine R&D firm Savice to develop a suite of new direct-injection sub-250cc two-strokes designed to leave Europe and Japan’s rivals feeling heavy and flat. And the deal is a two-way street, with Jialing manufacturing Savice’s line of Mira-branded two-stroke bikes (www.miramotorcycles.co.nz) with further projects already sketched out, taking advantage of Jialing’s huge economies of scale"
From MCN article "Two Strokes Strike Back".
While the current Chinese bikes leave a lot to be desired they, do learn from their mistakes. So we could see an inexpensive mx machine in the next few years.
The Shop
I had to do that...........................
500 class makin a comeback..................AJ started it.
250,450 and 2 stroke class at the nationals..............hhhmmmnnnnn
The sport already loses the usual bracket of guys that grow up and have to buy their own stuff, start school or working ect. When I was starting college a new 250 was $3500, it was years before I could afford one again, now I see the kids that age with blown up 250f's they can't afford to fix.
I guess we come back after we can afford it again and bring our kids but now we're losing new kids because of $3500 50's, someone with a teen that wants to start is looking at 7K and everyone is determined to replace $2800 85's with $4500 150's. If you don't know anything about the sport and your 13 y/o wants to race, 7K for a 250f has got to be hard to justify.
Normal parents are astonished when they ask me how much these things are, so are their kids because they can't believe there's kids with multiple bikes when they're being told there is zero chance of getting a dirt bike. I remember how expensive a a CR80 seemed in 1985 at $999, it's hard to see where that extra 2K is at with the same bike today.
me thinks otherwise...
Its amazing at how all of the riders from that era talk about how much better the bikes became when the Japanese developed the light weight models of the early 70's.
Better handling, easier to ride and safer were the words they used to describe the light weight bikes.
I think you are also spot on on the future of dirt bikes from China and Korea. There is a lot of cheap technology out there that they can use and there is a strong (even though shrinking) dealer network out there desperate for lower cost products to sell.
I am old enough to remember when the riders of the day were saying the same thing about the Japanese bikes that they say about the other Asian bikes now. That all changed overnight from 71-73.
A comment on the "unusable power" that the two strokes make, and a bit more on apples to apples:
Much of those "tweaked" power bands were because we were trying to wring every last horsepower out of a small engine. What happened was that the better the riders got, the more the industry would respond to their ability to use an engine that produced that "hit", and we ended up with bikes that were tweaked to where they pulled like raped apes.
Think about this...take one of those "peaky" 125's, right? Now, race those CRF150's against it. You can crank back on the power of that 125, flywheel the engine, smooth everything out, and you'll get one smooth bike that still outruns a CRF150.
Kids now "enter" the pros riding 250's. If they did the same with a two stroke, you could de-tune and flywheel that 250 2-stroke so much that it wouldn't have that "hit", would still out-pull the 4-strokes, last twice as long, and weigh a good 8 lbs. less, while costing less.
One of the deceptive things about the 500 is how smooth the beast is when making its torque and power. It feels like not much is happening when you ride it off idle. My CRF450 had that huge power hit every time the engine would fire, so it felt like it was a monster. But, the 500 is so smooth, it feels electric. It takes awhile to get used to the fact that even though it's smooth, you're acceleration as fast as, if not faster than, that old 450.
can't sell my bikes for shit, and there's not a ton of great deals on yz250's either. The dealers understand that the people that want to buy them, are going to buy them regardless of the price because they just want a damn 250 2-stroke. A few used bikes for ok prices, but nothing amazing.
I envy you...
Big Bore by Eric Gorr
I've had him do work for me more than once, and been totally happy every time.
very reliable and works amazingly well.
it is offered in a mx style or woods style(porting)
and yes its forward motion kits (Eric Gorr)
i've been working with Eric fir probably 20 years.
last weekend- which is likely to have a 300cc kit on it soon..
(and a far better rider soon on it as well lol as knight wants to buy it)
Pit Row
Little more bottom end cranking out of the turns and a much smoother power transition.
I highly recommend it for you 125 riders.
2003 photos....
Plenty of power...
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