'19/'20 RMZ250

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7/18/2019 8:36am Edited Date/Time 5/6/2020 10:50am
Who's riding them; what do you think? They are rare in my area, but i think they may gain larger following with the changes in '19.
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7/18/2019 1:42pm
I have one, and is better than the other 3 RMZ that I have all 250s diferent years
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7/18/2019 3:16pm
I haven't had the Chance to ride one but the look sweet imo , there a handful of them in the Vet classes in my area , and I really really doubt that they are hol7the owners back in any way. And they are a great bargain most of the time it seems.
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7/18/2019 4:42pm
Pretty sweet...its really not that slow like people say..I rode it back to back last night with my neighbors 17.5 ktm250sxf...ill take the Suzuki all day
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I THINK THA TTHE NEW SUSZUKI DOSE WILL BE THE FASTIST OF ALL THE BIKES IN THE LITES CLASS
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SEMAC wrote:
I have one, and is better than the other 3 RMZ that I have all 250s diferent years
I've been going over suspension specs, and this machine has a ton of potential. Complains are about "over springing" of the bike. That is minor compared to all the sss swaps when air forks were the norm. The forks are different than the kx250f, but very tunable. The shock is very workable, and I've worked up some specs simply valving, with no link.
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7/18/2019 5:27pm
I don’t think the 250 is dependent on the link like the 450 is. At least that’s what it seems like so far.
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colvin227 wrote:
I don’t think the 250 is dependent on the link like the 450 is. At least that’s what it seems like so far.
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do share this data. I think that once the spring rates, and valving are sorted, you really have a great suspension at a reasonable cost.
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colvin227 wrote:
I don’t think the 250 is dependent on the link like the 450 is. At least that’s what it seems like so far.
m21racing wrote:
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do...
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do share this data. I think that once the spring rates, and valving are sorted, you really have a great suspension at a reasonable cost.
Are talking about the BFRC? Because it seems people can’t wait to get that thing off of the bike. I’m not sold on the fact it’s so horrible, yet I havnt rode one so take that with a grain of salt. It’s amazing how far a few key peoples opinion goes as to what the general public thinks.
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Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had the chance to ride most every brand......nothing handles like the Suzuki.
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colvin227 wrote:
I don’t think the 250 is dependent on the link like the 450 is. At least that’s what it seems like so far.
m21racing wrote:
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do...
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do share this data. I think that once the spring rates, and valving are sorted, you really have a great suspension at a reasonable cost.
colvin227 wrote:
Are talking about the BFRC? Because it seems people can’t wait to get that thing off of the bike. I’m not sold on the fact it’s...
Are talking about the BFRC? Because it seems people can’t wait to get that thing off of the bike. I’m not sold on the fact it’s so horrible, yet I havnt rode one so take that with a grain of salt. It’s amazing how far a few key peoples opinion goes as to what the general public thinks.
The 450 shock is fine. Change the linkage arm and it's all good.
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Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had...
Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had the chance to ride most every brand......nothing handles like the Suzuki.
What are the stock spring rate for the 19/20 RMZ250? We keep hearing it’s oversprung just curious what the rate is
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7/18/2019 9:38pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2019 9:41pm
m21racing wrote:
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do...
Truthfully, unless leverage ratio data is provided, to conclusively show a benefit to a link, I'm not on board. There are very few places who do share this data. I think that once the spring rates, and valving are sorted, you really have a great suspension at a reasonable cost.
colvin227 wrote:
Are talking about the BFRC? Because it seems people can’t wait to get that thing off of the bike. I’m not sold on the fact it’s...
Are talking about the BFRC? Because it seems people can’t wait to get that thing off of the bike. I’m not sold on the fact it’s so horrible, yet I havnt rode one so take that with a grain of salt. It’s amazing how far a few key peoples opinion goes as to what the general public thinks.
The 450 shock is fine. Change the linkage arm and it's all good.
See I would agree. I think a lot of people look to take it off right away or build those Frankenstein WP/showa instead of actually try to get it working as is. For instance, a few influential people say they suck and put the idea into people’s head that it’s unrideable then it’s done in public opinion. Much like the Air Forks. Can’t imagine the BFRC would hold any of us back. It sounds like it’s a feeling thing, and if something feels weird then no matter what you do it’ll never change opinion.

I would love to ride the 250 I think it has great potential and looks like a super fun bike to ride.
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Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had...
Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had the chance to ride most every brand......nothing handles like the Suzuki.
colvin227 wrote:
What are the stock spring rate for the 19/20 RMZ250? We keep hearing it’s oversprung just curious what the rate is
The forks are .51kg shock 5.3kg

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7/18/2019 9:50pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2019 9:51pm
colvin227 wrote:
See I would agree. I think a lot of people look to take it off right away or build those Frankenstein WP/showa instead of actually try...
See I would agree. I think a lot of people look to take it off right away or build those Frankenstein WP/showa instead of actually try to get it working as is. For instance, a few influential people say they suck and put the idea into people’s head that it’s unrideable then it’s done in public opinion. Much like the Air Forks. Can’t imagine the BFRC would hold any of us back. It sounds like it’s a feeling thing, and if something feels weird then no matter what you do it’ll never change opinion.

I would love to ride the 250 I think it has great potential and looks like a super fun bike to ride.
The suspension on my 18 rmz is the best ive ever ridden. Tracks incredibly straight, extremely plush, doesnt kick wierd. Stock link, stock suspension just revalved by evo industries.

So i agreed with the sentiment that people get a notion in their head and run with it.
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Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had...
Love my new 250. Threw lighter springs in it and it is great! Had previous RMZ 250s and work at a shop where I have had the chance to ride most every brand......nothing handles like the Suzuki.
colvin227 wrote:
What are the stock spring rate for the 19/20 RMZ250? We keep hearing it’s oversprung just curious what the rate is
m21racing wrote:
The forks are .51kg shock 5.3kg

That might be on par for a 190lb vet like myself though
7/19/2019 8:13am
It’s an underrated bike. I race one off-road at the Pro 2 level. Drop softer fork springs in and it works like typical KYB, great. The motor is not an issue, the bottom to mid is strong. Up top it’s definitely soft compared to other colors, but I don’t ride tracks often so that doesn’t bother me. Kickstarter? Who cares. 3 kicks when cold and 1 once warm, I pull dead engine start hole shots 😁. I put a ride eng link on, it increased stability which was a fair trade taking away some front end bite.

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I ride an RMZ 450 and absolutely love it, I have rode a lot of different bikes over the years and would pick the RMZ hands down, with that being said we just put my 16 yr old son on a stock '19 RMZ 250 after coming off a built '16 YZ250F with reworked suspension and his lap times were faster on the stock RMZ 250. For reference he is 5'10 145lbs and a B class rider. We are playing with the suspension but he likes a stiff fork setup anyways so the stockers aren't bothering him too bad however I would agree that the spring rate needs to be dropped some for a lighter rider. I haven't got the chance to ride it yet due to shoulder problems but overall I am very impressed with the motor and overall bike.
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Have seen 19’s priced $5999, killer deal!
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7/23/2019 9:12am Edited Date/Time 7/23/2019 9:14am
The zuk has a much stiffer mv, and the most fluid volume of the 3 KYB fitted 250fs. Also has the earlier cartridge, while the kx/yz have later, larger model. All three bikes do share the leaf mid cup/post. The zuk also has a different base valve piston similar to that of psf 1. Hope to get one in soon, gonna play with some setups before a spring swap, as zuk has an excellent cornering characteristic.
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7/23/2019 9:41am
Nate...would be fun to do a back to back comparo 19 yz250f to rmz. You maybe already have?
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Would like to hear more input on the 2019 rmz 250 as I may end up with one. Can't beat the price of them. Does anyone know if you have to add a fuel controller if a full exhaust is added? Or is the stock ECU/EFI smart enough to handle a full exhaust?
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7/23/2019 3:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2019 3:52pm
None of these bikes have closed loop feedback so you'd probably benefit from a remap. Not to say it wouldn't run fine with the stock tune in the ecu, but no, without some feedback mechanism built in the ecu will not adjust.
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Not to hyjack or derail this thread. But what are most guys using to control the a\f ratios on their bikes? Just a power commander or something else? Sorry for the newbie question, I have been away from the sport for almost 20 years so there was no EFI back when I was riding. Haha.
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7/23/2019 6:12pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2019 6:13pm
geeZ177 wrote:
Not to hyjack or derail this thread. But what are most guys using to control the a\f ratios on their bikes? Just a power commander or...
Not to hyjack or derail this thread. But what are most guys using to control the a\f ratios on their bikes? Just a power commander or something else? Sorry for the newbie question, I have been away from the sport for almost 20 years so there was no EFI back when I was riding. Haha.
Vortex or GET ECU.....the stock Suzuki ECU is tough to tune because a lot of tuners don’t have the software to do it. Unlike kawi, Yamaha, Honda that all have customer accessible tuning devices to alter the stock ECU. So mostly guys throw in an aftermarket ecu such as the ones mentioned above because all the tuners can easily dial those in and are more programmable
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Pretty sure the 250z has an app for your phone here to tune the ecu. Not sure why it didn't make it to the States?
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Yeah it’s not on the US bikes for some reason....that is strangely not talked about at all
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geeZ177 wrote:
Not to hyjack or derail this thread. But what are most guys using to control the a\f ratios on their bikes? Just a power commander or...
Not to hyjack or derail this thread. But what are most guys using to control the a\f ratios on their bikes? Just a power commander or something else? Sorry for the newbie question, I have been away from the sport for almost 20 years so there was no EFI back when I was riding. Haha.
colvin227 wrote:
Vortex or GET ECU.....the stock Suzuki ECU is tough to tune because a lot of tuners don’t have the software to do it. Unlike kawi, Yamaha...
Vortex or GET ECU.....the stock Suzuki ECU is tough to tune because a lot of tuners don’t have the software to do it. Unlike kawi, Yamaha, Honda that all have customer accessible tuning devices to alter the stock ECU. So mostly guys throw in an aftermarket ecu such as the ones mentioned above because all the tuners can easily dial those in and are more programmable
X2 and an exhaust, good fuel. Bikes good to go.
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Rotaholic wrote:
Pretty sure the 250z has an app for your phone here to tune the ecu. Not sure why it didn't make it to the States?
Wonder if it's just a plug and play swap?
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UGOTBIT wrote:
Have seen 19’s priced $5999, killer deal!
That's really aggressive pricing if true. Over here they are at 7.9K! By now you can get 2019 KTMs cheaper. Or take a light used 2018 KTM for 2K less!

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