‘17 Ktm 350 vs 300?

Related:
Create New Tag

10/5/2017 6:41 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/5/2017 6:50 PM

So just seeing opinions, Im about to pull the trigger on a new ktm350xcf. I’m coming off of a ‘09 ktm250xcfw and I’m keeping that bike, but would love a bike with a little more power. I race harescrambles and single track in Ohio and pa which is tight and has just about every condition. What is everyone’s opinion on the new 350s? (Will be ‘16 or newer). I really prefer my 4 strokes and this 350 weighs the same my ‘09 250xcfw does... what’s y’alls opinions?

|

10/5/2017 6:46 PM

Do you want opinions on the 350 or are you wanting to know how it compares to the 300? Confused as you already purchased a 350. My opinion is the 300 is the best option between the two, but I haven’t rode the latest 350.

|

10/5/2017 6:52 PM

JRT812 wrote:

Do you want opinions on the 350 or are you wanting to know how it compares to the 300? Confused as you already purchased a 350. My opinion is the 300 is the best option between the two, but I haven’t rode the latest 350.

It’s edited now, meant to say about to pull the trigger. But wanted to know what others liked... I’m a 4stroke guy myself but just seeing what all think I know people happy with both but just seeing

|

10/5/2017 7:00 PM

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

|

10/5/2017 7:10 PM

ama530 wrote:

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

Is it more controllable than a 450 still? I’m coming off a 250 but heard even though power numbers between a 350 and a 450 are similar that the 350 feels like a 250 with a little more oomph if that makes sense

|

10/5/2017 8:09 PM

ama530 wrote:

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

What year is your 350? I'm in the same boat trying to decide between 300, 350, or a blue or orange 250 two stroke. Would even consider a red 450. Decisions decisions...

|

10/5/2017 8:11 PM

ama530 wrote:

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

cc304 wrote:

Is it more controllable than a 450 still? I’m coming off a 250 but heard even though power numbers between a 350 and a 450 are similar that the 350 feels like a 250 with a little more oomph if that makes sense

I have both a 250 sxf and a 250 sx (both 2016s) and when I rode a 350 sxf I thought it felt very much like my 250 sxf - light and easy to ride - but with quite a lot harder pull. The 450 sxf I rode felt like much more of a handful - much heavier feeling, with power that is smooth but demands respect. The 250 sx feels like a feather, and I imagine the new 300 would feel even lighter. The 250 sx is a handful too, but in a much different way than the 450. I'm pretty sure the 300 is easier to ride than the 250 sx (more torque, less hit).

|

Current rides: 2016 KTM 250SXF, 2017 KTM 350SXF

10/5/2017 8:15 PM

ama530 wrote:

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

cc304 wrote:

Is it more controllable than a 450 still? I’m coming off a 250 but heard even though power numbers between a 350 and a 450 are similar that the 350 feels like a 250 with a little more oomph if that makes sense

MPJC wrote:

I have both a 250 sxf and a 250 sx (both 2016s) and when I rode a 350 sxf I thought it felt very much like my 250 sxf - light and easy to ride - but with quite a lot harder pull. The 450 sxf I rode felt like much more of a handful - much heavier feeling, with power that is smooth but demands respect. The 250 sx feels like a feather, and I imagine the new 300 would feel even lighter. The 250 sx is a handful too, but in a much different way than the 450. I'm pretty sure the 300 is easier to ride than the 250 sx (more torque, less hit).

Yeah that’s what I was hoping to hear. I want a little more but not have to hang on to a 450 for 2-3 hours in the woods lol. Weight of the bike isn’t an issue as I’m used to 4t and the new 350 actually weighs 2lbs less than my ‘09 250xcf.Thanks for the input as well

|

10/5/2017 8:17 PM

ama530 wrote:

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

ktmdan wrote:

What year is your 350? I'm in the same boat trying to decide between 300, 350, or a blue or orange 250 two stroke. Would even consider a red 450. Decisions decisions...

From what I’ve heard the 11 350 was a shit show, and ‘13-15 got better but had the 450 weight. The ‘16 and up 350 literally weighs 2lbs less than my current ‘09250xcf weighs

|

10/5/2017 8:20 PM


I can't speak on the 17 350 but the 300 is incredible. Spent two days on one.... it's been tough going back to my yz250. Have a deposit on one now!
|

10/5/2017 9:01 PM

Compared to a 250 XCF-W, even a 2016+ 250 XC-F would be a noticeable upgrade in power.

|

10/5/2017 9:33 PM

Well if you like 4 strokes and are interested in a 2 stroke....well riding the 300 is very similar to riding a four stroke.
It will definately have more of a hit than your 250 when youre feeling frisky and will be a great contrast to riding your old bike.

I feel id go 250f and 3002t or 2502t and 350f. I feel then you will get best of both worlds. Plus you will be happy to work on something new mechanical wise and as a 2T, you'd save atleast a little money in the long run come rebuild time.

|

10/5/2017 9:39 PM

I have a 2013 sx250 converted to a woodsbike. Im a novice rider and definately ride the bike like I might ride a 300. More smooth and less high rpm. I put a flywheel weight on it to help with its hard hit and it made it more tractable.

Anyways I hopped on my uncles 09 300 xcw and I was actually impressed what 50ccs could do. As i normally dont ring out the bike and use the lower to mid rpm range i found myself going a bit faster and carrying more momentum.

Ive only ridden my friends 250fs and I think they are a load of fun, not too much heavier than my bike but because the bike makes less power I was kind of riding wide open everywhere. I was having a lot of fun in 2nd and 3rd gear on the trails lol.

Anyways, i support the 250f with a 3002T movement

|

10/5/2017 10:15 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/5/2017 10:21 PM

i know this is a little long winded but i know how hard it is to plonk down cash on something that you have not ridden.

i currently have a '15 300XC and a '17 350xcf (and a '15 450sxf snowbike). i have owned an 09 300XC, an '07 300xc as well as a 15 450XCF, a 13 350XCF and an '08 250xcf. i have a good friend with a '17 300xc and i have spent about 6-8 hours on that bike.

to answer some of your questions, the new 350 feels lighter than ANY of my old bikes on and off the stand. when riding, it feels lighter than my 13 350 but not worlds apart.... it just feels lighter. it also feels the same or slightly lighter than my old 250xcf in the technical stuff and significantly lighter than my 450 anywhere. it also feels lighter than my 15 300 but again, not worlds apart, just lighter. i honestly can't feel much of a weight difference between my 17 and my buddy's 17 300. they feel very similar though different because of motor department (more on that below).

i race everything from hard enduro to hare scrambles to MX. also throw in a ton of trail riding (typically with a bunch of very fast buddies) as well as play riding. the 350 just does everything right for me and at one time i was a "2 stroke elitist." if i had to pick one bike the 350XCF (or the white version) would be it. yes, the 300 would be my pick in hard enduro but not by a ton. anything slightly less technical and the 350 is my weapon of choice.... not by a ton over the 300 but i am faster on the 4 stroke on everything minus hard enduro/very technical.

having said all that, if i was told that i could only have a 300XC, i would be extremely happy.

to compare the 350 to the other bikes that you mentioned, the latest 350 will feel MUCH more powerful than your 250. it has significantly more bottom end, significantly more mid, and straight up and down a ton more top end. when comparing to the 300, it has slightly less right off idle, very similar bottom (just remember the bottom end, mid and top on a 4 stroke is higher in the RPM range than a 2 stroke), a little more in the mid, and 450 type power up top (meaning more than a 300). the bike makes serious power up top... most just don't hold it to the stop long enough. the latest 300s have slightly less bottom end than my 15 but is even smoother (didn't know that was possible) and the vibes on the new 300s are so low, it makes my 17 350 feel like it vibrates.

my '13 350 made great power and i never felt like i needed more.... the new 350 motor seems to have come into its own. what i mean by that is, it has enough bottom end to be short shifted like a 450 but is still soft enough down low that it won't rip your arms out of the socket and tire you out like a 450 will. yes it is also a little down on power in the mid but again, it is no slouch there and rewards you with not tiring you out quite as fast as a 450.... now when you need power that a 450 has, hold the throttle a bit longer and it really does make comparable power to a 450. another friend of mine has my 15 450 and the new 350 will pull it in a drag race, it is that fast. in fact i have out pulled a number of colors of 450s on the 17. the key is knowing how to ride it if you are looking for a holeshot. when your brain is telling you to shift, don't. the 350 will out pull most 450s for an extra 3-3500rpm and those last several thousand is where the 350 gets very serious. the powerband on the 350 is about the widest of any bike i have ridden. compared to a 450, it is an excellent balance of power and energy conservation. my 450s always wore me out during long races or rides. to answer your question "if it is more controllable than a 450?" absolutely.... unless you have the talent to hold it wide open all the time in which case it can be a handfull.

compared to the 300... as i mentioned above the 350 has less right off idle. what i mean by that is the 300 will pull if lugged below idle. a 4 stroke will stall. there is a little learning curve between the two but the 350 will pull no mater what from just a hair above idle. from bottom to lower mid there isn't much difference between them other than the classic way that a 2 stroke makes power vs a 4 stroke. if you are smooth with the throttle hand, the 2 stroke has more of a torquey electric feel where with the 4 stroke, you feel more of a throb/pulsating feel in the lower revs. the 350 has the most 2 stroke feeling motor of any 4 stroke i have ever ridden. what i mean by that is that it first and foremost, it is very snappy, no 4 stroke is as snappy as a 2 stroke but the 350 is very close. also the power band builds like a 2 stroke in that it is soft/not jerky off the bottom, starts making real power in the lower mid and then flat out screams up top. the only difference is the 350 does it in a smoother fashion. where the 300 is better in the uber technical department, the 350 makes up for it in how planted it feels and how the power band is literally 3 times wider.... just a bi-product between the 2 power-plants.

compared to your 250.... there is no comparison. the 250 is down on power everywhere from idle to the rev limiter.... and as you approach the rev limiter.... WAY down on power. while the numbers on the scale don't seem that much, the new chassis will feel lighter until you start getting into the revs at which case the 350 will feel a little heavier. all the added HP and torque are responsible for that and it is the same reason a 450 will feel significantly heavier than the 350 even though there are only 2lbs between them. in the really tight stuff, it will not feel any different in weight than your 250 but the handling will be MUCH better on the 16/17 350.

if you just want a little more power, a new 250XCF would be the ticket. the 350 will be significantly more powerful and i'm not sure if that was what you are going for. but if you want either a 300 or a 350, the 350 would require a little less learning curve for you to adjust to. having said that, a 300 is very easy to ride so long as you respect the throttle.

for a pure race bike outside of hard enduro, the 350XCF would be my choice... and remember, this is coming from a diehard 2 stroke guy... but i would be nearly as happy with a 300XC. think of the 300 and 350 as fraternal twins.

hope this helps

|

10/5/2017 11:12 PM

I have a 350 and my dad has a 300. Nothing beats the 300 in the trees. Super flickable and the power is smooth, tractable and abundant and long enough to not have to shift too much in tight stuff

|

10/6/2017 5:54 AM
Edited Date/Time: 10/6/2017 6:00 AM

I'd highly suggest riding a new generation 300 before making a decision. You'd be making mistake if not, imo.
If you were riding more wide open, high speed type of trails, maybe the 350 would be a better choice, but for the type of riding you do, the choice is simple...300!!! It's what they're made for.

There's a good reason KTM never offers rebates on their 300's....because they don't have to. The bike is just that good and sells itself. Also, don't worry about power delivery. The beauty of the KTM 2-stroke is it's tune-ability. You can go from mild to wild and everywhere in between.

Good luck with your decision. Both are great bikes and don't think you'd be un-happy with either. Just think you'd be less un-happy with the 300.



|

10/6/2017 6:55 AM

I was in the same situation. It was either going to be a 300 ktm/Husky or 350. I wanted to street legal mine and when my dealer had a demo FX350 I jumped on it. I can't comment on the 300 but I can't imagine being happier with a bike. And I don't have to worry about having oil when I fill up.

|

10/6/2017 7:00 AM

My off road bike is a 2016 350 XCF, I sold a 2013 300. The 300 was awesome and sometimes I miss it. My 350 has a rekluce springs set up mainly for no engine braking, thus off-road it flows much like a 300. What I like about the 350 is that is more grounded - stable. Of course I'm 65 and my reflexes are a bit slower. The 300 (IMO) requires a quicker response.

|

Germany 1975 250 CZ Centerport, laydown shocks, mikuni with reed valve, Marzocchi forks with me as the motopilot

10/6/2017 7:29 AM

walleyeguy wrote:

I was in the same situation. It was either going to be a 300 ktm/Husky or 350. I wanted to street legal mine and when my dealer had a demo FX350 I jumped on it. I can't comment on the 300 but I can't imagine being happier with a bike. And I don't have to worry about having oil when I fill up.

That’s what I was thinking, I can always street legal this later down the road.

|

10/6/2017 7:30 AM

Tim507 wrote:

My off road bike is a 2016 350 XCF, I sold a 2013 300. The 300 was awesome and sometimes I miss it. My 350 has a rekluce springs set up mainly for no engine braking, thus off-road it flows much like a 300. What I like about the 350 is that is more grounded - stable. Of course I'm 65 and my reflexes are a bit slower. The 300 (IMO) requires a quicker response.

Thanks for the response

|

10/6/2017 7:32 AM

Thanks for all the responses good to see neither is really a bad option.

|

10/6/2017 8:02 AM

I have had the 16 350 and a 17 300. Im not a 4 stroke guy so I am a lot happier with my 300. After getting the jetting issues sorted its the best bike I have ever owned. I did like my 350 but it took me a long time to get used to the 4 stroke. I think the one thing you should think about is that that the 250 2 stroke is more like a 350 than a 300. The 350 has a ton of power but you have to ride it higher in the rpm's like a 250 2t. The 300 is more torque down low and its easier to ride a gear higher. The 450 xcf is more similar to a 300, and honestly I find the new 450 rides lighter than the 350. It's only 5lbs heavier but for whatever reason it feels lighter to ride to me. Im a woods rider so my opinions are strictly based off riding mainly tight single track.

|

10/6/2017 8:39 AM

cc304 wrote:

So just seeing opinions, Im about to pull the trigger on a new ktm350xcf. I’m coming off of a ‘09 ktm250xcfw and I’m keeping that bike, but would love a bike with a little more power. I race harescrambles and single track in Ohio and pa which is tight and has just about every condition. What is everyone’s opinion on the new 350s? (Will be ‘16 or newer). I really prefer my 4 strokes and this 350 weighs the same my ‘09 250xcfw does... what’s y’alls opinions?

One thing I immediately noticed about the 350 if you're riding tight woods is that the bike is obviously fuel injected, and the throttle is so dang sensitive that it can be a little herky jerky if you're not smooth. I think once you get used to it then you're fine. The new 300 though once you've got the jetting dialed is my choice over the 350 all day in the tight trails. Hope that didn't confuse you.

|

10/6/2017 7:38 PM
Edited Date/Time: 10/6/2017 7:39 PM

ama530 wrote:

I have the Husky version of the KTM 350. Meaning the FX350. My buddy has the TX300 Husky. Really depends on what you prefer. 2 or 4 stroke. Both are fantastic bikes for scrambles or moto and can really haul the mail. My FX is faster than the RMZ450 I came off of. Really light and the suspension is pretty awesome for stock. I can't ride a smoker like I used to or I would have the TX.

ktmdan wrote:

What year is your 350? I'm in the same boat trying to decide between 300, 350, or a blue or orange 250 two stroke. Would even consider a red 450. Decisions decisions...

Sorry for the late post. I have a 2017 FX350. I ride/race in eastern PA in the tight stuff as well as moto. Suggestion. If you go 2 stroke, go for a 300. They are so smooth and just plain work. Especially in the tight woods. Put a clutch weight in it and you will be golden. The 250s are still very good but there is something about a 300.

The FX350 has been one of the best bikes I have ever owned. It is light, very fast, and the stock suspension is really good. I feel out of sorts with a 2 stroke anymore. I am so used to the engine braking and feel of a 4 stroke. I guess I am getting old and lazy.

|

10/6/2017 8:47 PM

I can't speak much for the 300, closest to that I've ridden was the 250sx.
However I love the 350. I was a two stroke guy for a long time and have only owned three four strokes. I had planned on getting a new bike this year, so August rolled around and the cash was there, so decided it was time to really start looking. My 14 kx250f was a great bike, just wanted more. Initially I considered a kx450f, as I already was comfortable on Kawi, and had plenty of Kawi parts and another set of suspension, but man those things made me ride lazy, that's why I went with a 250f to begin with. I considered going back to a 250 two stroke until I rode the 350. Man what a bike. You can ride the bike like a 250f or a 450f. I'm somewhere in the middle, I ride higher in the rpms and that's where this bike (2017 350 sx-f) really shines. Power of a 450 you can ride like a 250. Haven't done a whole lot of trail riding on it, Couple tracks here in Texas have trails as well so I'll dick around inbetween motos on them. The 350 handles tight stuff pretty nice. I feel better in the woods on this bike than any other I've had.
I've ridden it on scramblecross tracks as well, it does great. Such a fun bike. Out of every bike I've owned, I will say this has been my favorite. I plan on keeping this bike for a long time.
Granted, I know your not looking at the sxf, but for what it's worth one of my buddies bought the 350xcf and after awhile on it was sold on the 350 and sold his 450f for a 350 for mx. You'll love it!

|

10/6/2017 10:04 PM

Photo

|

10/8/2017 9:24 PM

300 is overrated and far from the 'best offroad bike made". The 250 2t is a better power plant... But, a new 350 is about as good as it get with the current technology around. Lightweight, FI, 6spd, etc. make it as about as factory racer you can get...

|

10/9/2017 10:36 AM

Monk wrote:

300 is overrated and far from the 'best offroad bike made". The 250 2t is a better power plant... But, a new 350 is about as good as it get with the current technology around. Lightweight, FI, 6spd, etc. make it as about as factory racer you can get...

You do realize the 250 and 300 are the exact same engine except for the Cylinder and piston right? What makes you say the 250 is a better powerplant? if the 300 weren't the best off road bike, why would ALL of the top guys ride them? Don't even say it's because that's what KTM wants them to ride. That's bullcrap. KTM sells more 300's than anything else. Every one of them is sold on preorder, every year. You cant walk in and buy one off the floor.

|

10/9/2017 10:43 AM

Monk wrote:

300 is overrated and far from the 'best offroad bike made". The 250 2t is a better power plant... But, a new 350 is about as good as it get with the current technology around. Lightweight, FI, 6spd, etc. make it as about as factory racer you can get...

Kennyfreemoney wrote:

You do realize the 250 and 300 are the exact same engine except for the Cylinder and piston right? What makes you say the 250 is a better powerplant? if the 300 weren't the best off road bike, why would ALL of the top guys ride them? Don't even say it's because that's what KTM wants them to ride. That's bullcrap. KTM sells more 300's than anything else. Every one of them is sold on preorder, every year. You cant walk in and buy one off the floor.

not even just ktm, same goes for sherco, beta and gas gas

|

10/9/2017 11:02 AM

I have a KTM 250SX that I converted to a 300 (300 kit) a couple of days ago. It is seriously the best bike I've ever ridden (chassis, suspension and motor).
The 250 has more overrev and pulls further than the 300, but the 300 has more low end torque and a 'smoother' powerband. With that said, I adjusted the powervalve in to get more of a hit out of the engine.

IMHO the 4 strokes are quite good and you really get a good quality bike whichever you choose, but the cost of getting the bike to my liking and the total cost of having a 4 stroke really puts me off. If you want to tune the engine on your 2 stroke - put in some different reeds, get it ported, get a new cylinder head and play around with the power valve! If you want to tune your 4 stroke pull out the checkbook and be prepared to pay a lot more money.
My point is it's a lot simpler to tune and adjust the 2 stroke towards your liking. It's also cheaper. And lighter. And feels more nimble. And you have to use premix (which is cool as hell). And they sound awesome. Two strokes rock!

|

2017 KTM 250 Sx