16yr old Roczen in SX.....how?

They changed the rule.

The AMA changed the rule back to where it started so he is legal to have a pro license and race.

Thanks guys. I must of missed the memo I guess......when did the AMA make the rule change back to that anyways?

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

Wouldn't matter if they changed the rule.. he held an FIM license anyways.. Same reason our AMA guys can run GP's.

The Nationals are a different story though... that's why he's doing the GP's. I'm glad too, I want to see this kid get a World Title before leaving Europe (maybe for good?).

Nationals are the same story ... 16year are back the rule ...

HE 16-YEAR-OLD RULE IS BACK IN EFFECT: WELCOME TO THE U.S.A. KEN ROCZEN; IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO FOR YOU?

As with all AMA rules, the original 18-year-old rule was written in invisible ink; They almost got there...almost

To: All AMA licensed Supercross Riders
From: AMA Racing
Date: 09/16/2010
Regarding: 2011 AMA Supercross license requirements and AMA Supercross Lites class eligibility:

The following is the AMA Supercross license requirements and AMA Supercross Lites class eligibility effective for the 2011 Supercross season.

AMA Supercross Class Eligibility Guidelines

To be eligible to enter the Supercross class at an AMA Supercross an FIM World Championship event in 2011 a rider must hold an AMA Supercross class license and an FIM license.

All license applicants must be at least 16 years of age at the time of application.

In addition to the age requirements, riders must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible for an AMA Supercross class license.

a. Qualified into the evening program in the AMA Supercross class at least one time during the 2007 thru 2010 AMA Supercross season.

b. Qualified into the evening program in the AMA Supercross Lites class at least one time during the 2008 thru 2010 AMA Supercross season.

c. Earned at least one point in the 2009 or 2010 AMA Pro Motocross Championship in the 250 or 450 classes.

d. Earn 50 AMA Arenacross class points in the 2009-10 or the 2010-11 AMA Arenacross Series.

e. Riders who earned a 2010 AMA Supercross license may apply for their 2011 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2010.

f. Hold a current FIM Motocross World Championship license.

Source: motocrossactionmag.com

disbanded wrote:

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

He had nothing to do with it

disbanded wrote:

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

flarider wrote:

He had nothing to do with it

How much say did the FIM have in the rule change?
Did they campaign in favor of the 16 years of age rule?
Or were they against it?

I wonder how the manufactures felt also and if they leaned toward 16 years of age or 18?

disbanded wrote:

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

flarider wrote:

He had nothing to do with it

Oh yeah, i forgot, you know everything.

This is great news for AC92! Cant wait to see him ride the bigger bikes.....

disbanded wrote:

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

x2.. I'm happy they changed it though. I was not looking forward to losing young talent to the GP's. Instead we're stealing young talent from the GP's again. As it should be.

Funny thing about it all is that the AMA with the stroke of a pen changed the rule. Why not do the same with the 2 stroke/4 stroke debate. Follow the money??? Seems to be a whole lot more people complaining about that than the age rule. Bunch of spineless cowards. Almost ashamed to be an AMA Life Member.

fader418 wrote:

This is great news for AC92! Cant wait to see him ride the bigger bikes.....

Yeah apparently this had a big impact on him according to the DMXS guy's. They said until the rule change him and his family was already commited to Kawasaki in Europe to doing the GPs the first 2 Seasons of his Pro career.Already had a home picked out and the whole shabang. Glad he gets to stay here now.

disbanded wrote:

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

flarider wrote:

He had nothing to do with it

But, I think a case in your home-state did...?

MXMattii wrote:

Nationals are the same story ... 16year are back the rule ...

HE 16-YEAR-OLD RULE IS BACK IN EFFECT: WELCOME TO THE U.S.A. KEN ROCZEN; IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO FOR YOU?

As with all AMA rules, the original 18-year-old rule was written in invisible ink; They almost got there...almost

To: All AMA licensed Supercross Riders
From: AMA Racing
Date: 09/16/2010
Regarding: 2011 AMA Supercross license requirements and AMA Supercross Lites class eligibility:

The following is the AMA Supercross license requirements and AMA Supercross Lites class eligibility effective for the 2011 Supercross season.

AMA Supercross Class Eligibility Guidelines

To be eligible to enter the Supercross class at an AMA Supercross an FIM World Championship event in 2011 a rider must hold an AMA Supercross class license and an FIM license.

All license applicants must be at least 16 years of age at the time of application.

In addition to the age requirements, riders must meet one of the following criteria to be eligible for an AMA Supercross class license.

a. Qualified into the evening program in the AMA Supercross class at least one time during the 2007 thru 2010 AMA Supercross season.

b. Qualified into the evening program in the AMA Supercross Lites class at least one time during the 2008 thru 2010 AMA Supercross season.

c. Earned at least one point in the 2009 or 2010 AMA Pro Motocross Championship in the 250 or 450 classes.

d. Earn 50 AMA Arenacross class points in the 2009-10 or the 2010-11 AMA Arenacross Series.

e. Riders who earned a 2010 AMA Supercross license may apply for their 2011 license based on the criteria for which it was earned in 2010.

f. Hold a current FIM Motocross World Championship license.

Source: motocrossactionmag.com

That just talks about Supercross and doesn't mention the Nationals. I thought that MX Sports hadn't changed the age limit yet outdoors? DMG manages SX and MX Sports manages the Nationals.

disbanded wrote:

This shall be known as the 'Roczen ruling'.

flarider wrote:

He had nothing to do with it

TeamGreen wrote:

But, I think a case in your home-state did...?

Correct

But obviously "morning stiffy" knows better, so maybe he can enlighten us all?

newmann wrote:

Funny thing about it all is that the AMA with the stroke of a pen changed the rule. Why not do the same with the 2 stroke/4 stroke debate. Follow the money??? Seems to be a whole lot more people complaining about that than the age rule. Bunch of spineless cowards. Almost ashamed to be an AMA Life Member.

that's how life works newman, why should the ama be any different? Welcome to the real world....

newmann wrote:

Funny thing about it all is that the AMA with the stroke of a pen changed the rule. Why not do the same with the 2 stroke/4 stroke debate. Follow the money??? Seems to be a whole lot more people complaining about that than the age rule. Bunch of spineless cowards. Almost ashamed to be an AMA Life Member.

newmann. what makes you think the powers to be who make that decision have a three letter abreviation?

I don't believe that for a second. It's about marketing, sales, and Oems plain and simple.

could you imagine a 5 year old motorcycle or a "hybrid" bike built from current frame techknowledgy and older smoker motor getting a holeshot on national TV? Of god forbid on the cover of a moto mag??????/

As long as they foot the bill, and they will for a long time, you will never see any kind of smoker get a chance in hell to get that kind of publicity. Simply won't happen.

Of course wonder just great those new bikes have been selling lately or better yet wonder how well a couple year old use bike sells. Can polish a turd, still a turd.

Control of the national class structure is clearly in the hands of the sponsors. As much as I hate it, i understand it.

aFACEdismembered wrote:

That just talks about Supercross and doesn't mention the Nationals. I thought that MX Sports hadn't changed the age limit yet outdoors? DMG manages SX and MX Sports manages the Nationals.

"All license applicants must be at least 16 years of age at the time of application."



If I'm correct then there isn't any big difference in an AMA National license and in a AMA Supercross License. In fact I think it is one license but DC can explain it all or maybe GuyB too!

I think these kids should have to have a high school diploma in order to ride professionally. Eliminate the home schooling.

T-Fish wrote:

I think these kids should have to have a high school diploma in order to ride professionally. Eliminate the home schooling.

I agree 100%. Thats what the "18 year old rule" was about but there was tons of pressure to have it repealed.

T-Fish wrote:

I think these kids should have to have a high school diploma in order to ride professionally. Eliminate the home schooling.

TerryK wrote:

I agree 100%. Thats what the "18 year old rule" was about but there was tons of pressure to have it repealed.

And it didn't work because a lot of "talents" where still home schooled and the biggest talents where already talking with European teams where you can ride from 15year old ...

Maybe Adam C. one year in the Grand Prix's that would be cool ... from 15yr to 16yr ...

flarider wrote:

He had nothing to do with it

TeamGreen wrote:

But, I think a case in your home-state did...?

flarider wrote:

Correct

But obviously "morning stiffy" knows better, so maybe he can enlighten us all?

No, i dont know anything remember? Youre the know-it-all on the forum.

TeamGreen wrote:

But, I think a case in your home-state did...?

flarider wrote:

Correct

But obviously "morning stiffy" knows better, so maybe he can enlighten us all?

morning_stiffy wrote:

No, i dont know anything remember? Youre the know-it-all on the forum.

yes, Dave usually does know the correct background story. You jealous ?



Anyway, Roczen has nothing to do with the reversion of the rule, he is simply a positive side-effect for you on that side of the pond. Roczen and his personal manager were still sweating it out mid October waiting to hear if it had gone through.



Davy C told me earlier in the year that the initial reason for the 18 year old cut off was liability, particularly with kids whose parents have separated. The legal implications in all sports stateside is immense. It had little or nothing to do with schooling.



But, as has already been pointed out, your best amateurs were already considering 1-2-3 years MX2 GPs if the age limit stayed at 18. Can you imagine if the only time folks in the US got to see AC all year was the Glen Helen GP ?



And for sure the FIM had little / nothing to do with it either. In fact, if the AMA hadn't gone back to 16, you could have had the stupid situation of 16 year olds being legally eligible for the 450 class at SX (that is FIM-sanctioned) but not for the Lites (AMA-sanctioned).


PS: that 9-16 AMA release must have been pre-dated, because not even the teams knew anything about it at Thunder Valley a week and a half later, and it was specifically addressed to the teams.

T-Fish wrote:

I think these kids should have to have a high school diploma in order to ride professionally. Eliminate the home schooling.

TerryK wrote:

I agree 100%. Thats what the "18 year old rule" was about but there was tons of pressure to have it repealed.

MXMattii wrote:

And it didn't work because a lot of "talents" where still home schooled and the biggest talents where already talking with European teams where you can ride from 15year old ...

Maybe Adam C. one year in the Grand Prix's that would be cool ... from 15yr to 16yr ...

Would be interesting to see if he would do as well as Roczen or Herlings did in the World Championship at 15 - he looks like he could be a similar talent.

T-Fish wrote:

I think these kids should have to have a high school diploma in order to ride professionally. Eliminate the home schooling.

TerryK wrote:

I agree 100%. Thats what the "18 year old rule" was about but there was tons of pressure to have it repealed.

I do not believe the 18 rule ever had anything to do with education that was simply the window dressing. This was the reason for the 18 rule as I saw it http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/MotoRelated,20/Florida-MX-is-in-DEEP-TROUBLE,303961

i believe MAX ANSTIE was 16 & raced sx & mx 2010

mac3-d wrote:

i believe MAX ANSTIE was 16 & raced sx & mx 2010

Max was 16 when he raced outdoors in 2009 and had the points to qualify for a sx license for 2010.