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That bike had a factory built motor in it that YAMAHA did not want in the public sector. They didn’t want the ECU in public sector. This was a simple claim, yet you had a Yamaha representative there. You really think the kid just thought all this bullshit up? Everything he said makes perfect sense. The fact that Matt Walker was involved gives his story credibility. Not to mention, have you heard anyone he’s accused of anything come out and say he’s lying? Hell no! They are all hoping the Unadilla National will take everyone’s attention away from all this. Use your head.
As for the kid claiming the bike on his own……….If you had thought and planned this out as he did, worked as hard as he did to get the money, you’d be the one going up there and filing the claim as well. You’d be proud that you set out to do something and accomplished it. You’re trying to pick a part the wrong story. You should be directing your negativity toward Yamaha, MX Sports, Weege and Cotter. THEY are who you should be questioning. As someone who’s worked at a high volume and high end dealership, I 110% believe Yamaha called the dealership and threatened them. I’ve seen it done before.
I've stated clearly that I think his candor serves him well. He came across very well in the interview. But there are some major discrepancies everyone is just glossing over.
And again, I dont know how Deegan 2002 wouldve handled it because I dont know how Deegan 2022 actually handled it. All I have is the first hand version from a 17 year old kid that already doesnt like the Deegans. Do I find his version credible? Yes. Gospel? No.
I was honestly hoping this thread would get answered by someone that had some facts that I had missed. But so far I've been met with mostly hostility from those that have already made up their mind.
There's still two sides to this story floating around. Nothing anyone has said here has debunked that fact. Just because one side shouts louder doesnt make them righteous.
And again, it's not relevant for who was in the wrong.
Yamaha/Star can and could at anytime step in and clean this shit up. They did not, and has not. That's is what was relevant. Beside the shit from Deegans.
So just drop the which hunt for details that honestly does not matter for anyone else than you.
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The fact is, I dont know enough to know who is lying. And nobody has made any new information available, they've just shouted something to the effect of DAMMIT YOU SHOULD BELIEVE HIM BECAUSE IT'S BELIEVABLE AND IT'S THE ONLY STORY BEING TOLD AT THIS MOMENT. That's not a very valid argument in my book. Translated it sounds like, "I made up my mind already and so should you."
Move on.
Another voice in the matter.
Brennan looked up the rules, came up with the money (it doesn't matter how he came up with it at the end of the day), put the cash down for the bike and went through the process. He followed the rules, end of discussion. Yamaha, the Deegans, Cotter, Luce, Walker, et all lost their collective shit when it all went down. If you aren't doing anything wrong, why lose your shit? Brennan was picking up a $40-50K bike for $17K. Who in their right mind wouldn't do that if you had the means to do it? The rule is the rule for a reason, and frankly its a brilliant rule.
Again, you got one camp acting guilty as fuck and the other not. That's why you have so many people siding with Brennan on this. When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, its a duck.
Even OJ would have been convicted based on this much information being available.
Stop acting like this is some kind of court room. You have tunnel vision and are disregarding the important parts.
I'm out now.
He's a 17 year old kid, not an attorney who knows how to detail every relevant fact. I think it's fair to ask if the story is true, but there are a few facts that weigh toward Brennan being credible, mainly that he withdrew his claim. Why would someone do that, when he went through incredible effort for a 17 year old to raise the $ to claim the bike, unless he was strongly coerced?
I also think Brennan's story is fairly credible since, having Brian Deegan already toss the word "defame" around, I would be shocked if Brennan or his parents weren't somewhat worried about getting sued. That doesn't 100% prove that he's being honest, but it would be shocking if he flat out lied knowing that the Deegans would probably go after him if he did.
I havent drawn any major conclusions. Im just asking questions.
I havent seen any of the Deegan social media rants. I did watch his livestream. I find it very suspect that he took it down.
As for the claim that Haiden rode over to Brennan's pits, it's just a claim. I make little of it. Im more interested in if indeed Yamaha got involved. To what extent did Brian Deegan get involved.
I dont think we'll get much of an explanation from the Deegan/Star side of things. So what I have to go by is Brennan's side. I find it conspicuous that he plays the victim so hard - he and the Deegans have history. I also find it relevant if he's lying about how he got the $17k - there are some people very close to the situation that have told me directly that the engine builder was VERY much involved in all of this.
If someone is lying, they are acting guilty. From my perspective I think if we all knew the truth, we'd see that both sides are doing a bit of lying to save face.
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2. I can see why you give credibility to the kid for saving up $17k, but there are others whom I know close to the situation that are directly claiming otherwise. The money was the engine builders. And that Brennan is fabricating much of his version of things.
I honestly do not know who is telling the truth. My assumption is that it's somewhere in the middle.
Brennan's family would get destroyed regardless of the facts in a case like this.
Im not sure how you think it's logical to assume that because he dropped the claim, his story is 100% factual.
If I had to guess, based on what I know as of now, I bet his story is about 75% true.
You could also argue that the only reason he dropped the claim is because the AMA shit the bed and let Cotter & Deegan & Yamaha get involved..... if indeed that is how it went down.
Are y'all really surprised at how Yamaha acted? They're not the one with the moral responsibilities here. In fact, the sole reason the AMA exists in this context is to allow fair execution of the rules. They deserve the bulk of the hate here. They are supposed to be the adults in the room. Funny how even the "victim" here Brennan thinks they were his friends. They werent. The AMA stood by like jellyfish - allegedly.
If Matt walker , the Yamaha rep and Tim Cotter do the same. Then we can
And the fact that he lost all of his sponsors doesnt help his case imo. In fact, it would indicate they might know something we dont about all this. If Brennan dropped the claim on behalf of his sponsors, I find it unlikely they'd drop him as a thankyou. I could be wrong.
Sponsors drop a rider sometimes because they want to distance themselves from a shitshow. If this kid was a punk looking to pull a stunt, as some have indicated, this mightve been the straw that breaks a camel's back and the sponsors were fed up. But again, I dont really know. So Im not judging. All Im saying is that if his sponsors stuck by him, it would add to his credibility in my book.
I too have experience in civil matters. I had all the evidence on my side. I spent a lot of money and there was only resolution once one party ran out of money.
The Deegans are not going to run out of money so in a matter like this, Brennan's family are much better off avoiding the hair loss.
I'd like to see all the truth and details come out in this situation. Given the degree that the opposing side of this situation have shut down all social media discussion on it is, well very telling.
I've been an ardent supporter of DC to this point, but that ship just sailed.
We have a saying in our company, "the truth has no enemies".
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