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So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
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burn1986 11/6/2013 8:41am
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Probably won't be able to. If it's not on the list (AMA Pro Racing Rulebook) you won't be able to compete on it. Letters to KTM is always a good idea. At least they have a contact address that you can write to, unlike the Japs.

You can always ride a YZ125. They're easily modifiable and fast to start out with.
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2strokeways 11/6/2013 8:46am
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burn1986 wrote:
Probably won't be able to. If it's not on the list (AMA Pro Racing Rulebook) you won't be able to compete on it. Letters to KTM...
Probably won't be able to. If it's not on the list (AMA Pro Racing Rulebook) you won't be able to compete on it. Letters to KTM is always a good idea. At least they have a contact address that you can write to, unlike the Japs.

You can always ride a YZ125. They're easily modifiable and fast to start out with.
Okay Thanks for the information! I'll have to see what I can do.
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burn1986 11/6/2013 9:17am
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Yep, here's that list:
http://amaproracing.cdn.racersites.com/assets/AMAP-2014-Approved-MX-Mot…

The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are approved for Motocross / Supercross. This list is provisional and
additional manufacturers will be added as they are approved.
Motorcycles MX/250SX Motocross/Supercross
Honda 2006-2007 CR125R 2006-2007 CR250R
Honda 2009-2013 CRF250R 2009-2013 CRF450R
Husqvarna 2010 TC250
Kawasaki 2006 KX 250
Kawasaki 2006-2014 KX 250F 2006-2014 KX 450F
KTM 2006 125 SX 2013 SX 250
KTM 2006-2013 250 SX-F 2009-2013 450 SX-F
KTM 2011-2013 350 SX-F
KTM 2012-2013 450 SX-F FE
KTM 2009 450 XC
Suzuki 2006 RM 250
Suzuki 2009-2013 RMZ 250* 2009-2013 RMZ 450
Yamaha 2008-2010 YZ 125 2008-2010 YZ 250
Yamaha 2009-2014 YZ 250F* 2009-2014 YZ 450F

I tried to post this with the spaces to separate it out, but it got jumbled when I posted it. It looks like you could race a 2006 KTM 125.
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burn1986 wrote:
Yep, here's that list: http://amaproracing.cdn.racersites.com/assets/AMAP-2014-Approved-MX-Motorcycles.pdf The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are approved for Motocross / Supercross. This list is provisional and additional manufacturers...
Yep, here's that list:
http://amaproracing.cdn.racersites.com/assets/AMAP-2014-Approved-MX-Mot…

The following equipment list shows all motorcycles which are approved for Motocross / Supercross. This list is provisional and
additional manufacturers will be added as they are approved.
Motorcycles MX/250SX Motocross/Supercross
Honda 2006-2007 CR125R 2006-2007 CR250R
Honda 2009-2013 CRF250R 2009-2013 CRF450R
Husqvarna 2010 TC250
Kawasaki 2006 KX 250
Kawasaki 2006-2014 KX 250F 2006-2014 KX 450F
KTM 2006 125 SX 2013 SX 250
KTM 2006-2013 250 SX-F 2009-2013 450 SX-F
KTM 2011-2013 350 SX-F
KTM 2012-2013 450 SX-F FE
KTM 2009 450 XC
Suzuki 2006 RM 250
Suzuki 2009-2013 RMZ 250* 2009-2013 RMZ 450
Yamaha 2008-2010 YZ 125 2008-2010 YZ 250
Yamaha 2009-2014 YZ 250F* 2009-2014 YZ 450F

I tried to post this with the spaces to separate it out, but it got jumbled when I posted it. It looks like you could race a 2006 KTM 125.
That's getting pretty outdated, I'll probably end up deciding between a yz125 or a 250f (yuck). Thanks for the help!

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Hehe, you said homologated
Obviously they don't want any Homo's showing up on a 125.
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Hehe, you said homologated
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Obviously they don't want any Homo's showing up on a 125.
or 500's!
lol, the joke's on you 500homo
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Hehe, you said homologated
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Obviously they don't want any Homo's showing up on a 125.
Woohoo
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Brad460 11/6/2013 10:19am
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2strokeways wrote:
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get...
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage?

Doesn't seem like a good return on investment...
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2strokeways 11/6/2013 10:23am
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2strokeways wrote:
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get...
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Brad460 wrote:
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage? Doesn't...
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage?

Doesn't seem like a good return on investment...
I feel it's rather competitive http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDZD9sirEE
James Gingerich 11/6/2013 10:32am
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2strokeways wrote:
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get...
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Brad460 wrote:
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage? Doesn't...
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage?

Doesn't seem like a good return on investment...
Same reason you race a 85 CR250 at Loretta's...
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Brad460 11/6/2013 10:50am
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2strokeways wrote:
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get...
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Brad460 wrote:
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage? Doesn't...
No offense intended- by why spend the money to race the 2014 Supercross season on un-competitive equipment that would put you at a clear disadvantage?

Doesn't seem like a good return on investment...
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Same reason you race a 85 CR250 at Loretta's...
Not exactly- racing a 125 in Supercross has already been attempted and exploited in recent years- been there done that -and so if it is being done as a "popularity" contest--he is a few years too late.

IMO--Racing an 85 CR250 at Loretta's has more to do with the vintage bike populatiry more so then the 2 stroke popularity---otherwise he would have raced a newer CR250.
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2strokeways wrote:
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get...
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
You might be able to win the 80 a class riding that bike...might.
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Roscoe33 11/6/2013 10:57am
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Yes they can race, the last KTM 2-stroke in the SX lites class I remember was raced by Michael Williard it was a 144 in Seattle in -09 ? maybe.

Nice light flickable bike, but launching not so much, I don't think you have enough adreneline in your body to endure practice,
always coming up short in the rhythem sections each time to survive the night.

your racing a 2 -stroke on a 4 stroke track.
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burn1986 11/6/2013 11:16am
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Ricky Renner did pretty good on his at New Orleans. I don't remember him casing any jumps.

Even so, I would try to secure some sponsorship money way before attempting the whole SX series. I would try to race maybe an AX before attempting an SX cold turkey.
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lostboy819 11/6/2013 11:45am
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2strokeways wrote:
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get...
So apparently no KTM 125 has ever been homologated... Would I have to contact KTM about this or will it just not be possible to get it homologated? I was planning to race a KTM 125 for the 2014 supercross season and it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
I don't think it would happen even if the bike was homologated. I think you have vastly underestimated the speed of the 250 SX class.

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2strokeways wrote:
I know this is old but I thought I would post this up for all the four stroke fans. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjDZD9sirEE
I just watched your vid and the one of JS7 on a 125. You know what you guys have in common?








NOTHING!

This thread has plunged into ridiculousness. This has to be a fishing expedition.
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You may not have anything in common with Bubba but do what you want to do man. If you're ok money wise, it's your life, do what you love. And if you're in the dome on a small-bore pinger, I'm bringing two air horns and will be your number one fan all night.
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Hehe, you said homologated
500guy wrote:
Obviously they don't want any Homo's showing up on a 125.
MX Culture wrote:
or 500's!
lol, the joke's on you 500homo
LMAO!!!!
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burn1986 11/6/2013 2:09pm
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Not to steer this off, but I watched the Stewart races (and they were awesome), but did ya'll catch the Federer v. Monfils Shanghai Open match on those videos. Monfils was awesome from the first game. Federer played good, but Monfils could have beaten any of the top 3 that day.
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GeorgiePorgie wrote:
You may not have anything in common with Bubba but do what you want to do man. If you're ok money wise, it's your life, do...
You may not have anything in common with Bubba but do what you want to do man. If you're ok money wise, it's your life, do what you love. And if you're in the dome on a small-bore pinger, I'm bringing two air horns and will be your number one fan all night.
"All Night" Laughing I don't think he will make it out of day practice, that is if he made it out of the " Ricky Carmichael road to supercross " at an AX race, but this what what they are trying to weed out at the national level.
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What am I missing. Homogulation and I thought you had to race arenacross first now............

2strokeways.....I applaud your intention, but you have the cart way in front of the horse....

Do you have a hot girlfriend like derek anderson who works on your bike?????? If so please post pics...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mxjef 11/6/2013 7:42pm
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Fuck the AMA and the bike manufactures for killing the 125 class.
Dumb move.
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Here is a list of the AMA board members, voice your concerns with them. The AMA sells out the racers and has turned
into just another bureaucracy.
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/about/Board.aspx
link about will give email contact



Maggie McNally, Chair
Contact Maggie McNallyContact
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Term expires February 2014

Russel Brenan, Vice Chair
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Kawasaki Motors Corp., USA
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Term expires: February 2016

Ken Ford, Assistant Treasurer
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Perry King, Executive Committee
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Northwest Region
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John Ulrich, Executive Committee
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I know it's trendy to blame the AMA for everything wrong with the sport but the real problem doesn't lie with them in this case. The homologation rule is easy to satisfy, KTM thinks it's not worth the effort.
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Shawn142 wrote:
I know it's trendy to blame the AMA for everything wrong with the sport but the real problem doesn't lie with them in this case. The...
I know it's trendy to blame the AMA for everything wrong with the sport but the real problem doesn't lie with them in this case. The homologation rule is easy to satisfy, KTM thinks it's not worth the effort.
Exactly Shawn.

the point being AMA has been there and still is there to do the work it needs too. I don't like that it rains on some weekends particularly on our race dates, MUST be AMA's fault as well.

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