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There are some threads already about the entries and the track, but I thought to make an "official" thread about this GP. Maybe the moderators can mold everything together? Thanks in advance.
Well: the field this weekend will be extremely thin like everyone knows, but I have to admit that track looks great! The riders seem enthousiastic aswell.
So in my opinion the problem isn't "what the hell are they doing in Indonesia", but the problem is the costs. Teams are paying over € 80,000 for 2 riders, 7 team members and the material to get there. All this for about 3 hours of racing. That's just absurd.
The GP's have been going to Indonesia since the late '90s, when the 125cc-class had a GP there (Jogyakarta if I recall correctly). Ofcourse not every rider made the expensive trip, but back then the top 15 of the standings got the shipping costs for free by the promotor ActionGroup (which was already led by Giuseppe Luongo - yes, him - back then).
That's not the case anymore these days. Everything got more and more expensive with the years, and with the current economical circumstances it's no surprise only a few teams (only the factory teams) make the trip. Also because they just can't sit it out. They have responsabilities to their manufacturers and sponsors.
So don't blame the Indonesian organisers, nor make fun of the local riders who will only do their absolute best they can, like they've always done in GPs like Brazil, Venezuela, Indonesia,.... Blame InFront. Blame David Luongo.
For shame, what those people are doing with our so so beloved sport.
Well: the field this weekend will be extremely thin like everyone knows, but I have to admit that track looks great! The riders seem enthousiastic aswell.
So in my opinion the problem isn't "what the hell are they doing in Indonesia", but the problem is the costs. Teams are paying over € 80,000 for 2 riders, 7 team members and the material to get there. All this for about 3 hours of racing. That's just absurd.
The GP's have been going to Indonesia since the late '90s, when the 125cc-class had a GP there (Jogyakarta if I recall correctly). Ofcourse not every rider made the expensive trip, but back then the top 15 of the standings got the shipping costs for free by the promotor ActionGroup (which was already led by Giuseppe Luongo - yes, him - back then).
That's not the case anymore these days. Everything got more and more expensive with the years, and with the current economical circumstances it's no surprise only a few teams (only the factory teams) make the trip. Also because they just can't sit it out. They have responsabilities to their manufacturers and sponsors.
So don't blame the Indonesian organisers, nor make fun of the local riders who will only do their absolute best they can, like they've always done in GPs like Brazil, Venezuela, Indonesia,.... Blame InFront. Blame David Luongo.
For shame, what those people are doing with our so so beloved sport.
1. Tim Gajser 485
2. Jeremy Seewer 384
3. Jorge Prado 366
4. Maxime Renaux 365
5. Glenn Coldenhoff 330
6. Rubén Fernández 304
7. Brian Bogers 252
8. Pauls Jonass 250
9. Jeremy Van Horebeek 229
10. Calvin Vlaanderen 227
MX2 standings
1. Jago Geerts 460
2. Tom Vialle 452
3. Simon Längenfelder 353
4. Kevin Horgmo 326
5. Mikkel Haarup 319
6. Andrea Adamo 282
7. Thibault Benistant 266
8. Isak Gifting 255
9. Stephen Rubini 249
10. Kay de Wolf 231
But the original post was spot on
"How much have they payed to get a GP in that shithole"
"How pathetic is the level of those guys, they get lapped after 5 minutes"
They just do the best they can considering the situations. Ofcourse the level of the local riders is way off of the factory guys and they shouldn't be there, but that's always been the case, even back in the 80s-90s. It's not their fault they make it to the main races with that "slow" pace.
Everyone likes the track in Argentina and were sad when it was doubtful it would be on the calendar, but the field has always been very thin there aswell. Now Indonesia gets a lot of backlash even before there's been a bike on the track. I can't understand that. As far as I know, this track could be for the Asian GP-scene what the Argentinian track is for the Southern-American GP-scene.
I've got more problems with (for example) a boring man-made track in Arroyomolinos when you know how much beautiful tracks Spain has, than with a GP in Indonesia or Thailand.
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Like you said DeStouwer its pretty lame that Arroyomolinos afford the Spainish GP.
Even in my region(Murcia), we had better tracks in the past and I know a good list of tracks in Spain that are incredible.
Only good thing about indonesia is the track has elevation changes and looks good.
Indonesia is such an important round, we should have at least 30 (good, not gate fillers) riders in both classes for it.
Surprizingly no czech, slovak nor hungarian riders in there.
I see myself out.
In the MXGP class with Evans, Beato, Murray and Stewart, I think we've got the most riders out there .
In a 21 man field.
Good on Murray and Stewart for having a go. Unless either of them are Dastardly Kiwis riding under an MA license.
Pos. Num. Rider Bike Nation Time Laps
1 #28 Tom Vialle KTM FRA 1:59.701 9
2 #74 Kay de Wolf Husqvarna NED +0:00.275 10
3 #93 Jago Geerts Yamaha BEL +0:00.455 10
4 #516 Simon Längenfelder GASGAS GER +0:00.844 9
5 #11 Mikkel Haarup Kawasaki DEN +0:01.449 8
6 #80 Andrea Adamo GASGAS ITA +0:01.705 11
7 #24 Kevin Horgmo Kawasaki NOR +0:02.890 9
8 #198 Thibault Benistant Yamaha FRA +0:03.095 11
9 #38 Stephen Rubini Honda FRA +0:04.264 6
10 #33 Kay Karssemakers KTM NED +0:04.891 10
11 #325 Delvintor Alfarizi Honda INA +0:09.389 7
12 #64 Diva Ismayana Kawasaki INA +0:15.010 7
13 #216 Ananda rigi Aditya Husqvarna INA +0:15.951 9
14 #529 Nakami Vidi Makarim Husqvarna INA +0:18.558 9
15 #65 Dharwin Lingam Kawasaki MAS +0:37.462 8
16 #68 Muhammad Hakimi Iroly Kawasaki MAS +0:52.307 1
17 #63 Phattiphat Theerapongs Rattanap KTM MAS - NaN
I'm actually pretty impressed that one of the Indonesians was within 10 seconds of the fastest time, not so impressed that one of the other wildcards was over 50 seconds off it lol
Wow, 5 million motorcycles were sold in Indonesia in 2021. Got to respect that.
Gorgeous track. A little better looking than Hangtown, with that Ocean in the background... Just sayin'
1/ Tom Vialle +0.000 *2.04.518*
2/ Jago Geerts +7.464 (2.05.097)
3/ Thibault Benistant +13.522 (2.05.299)
4/ Simon Laengenfelder +15.826 (2.06.034)
5/ Kevin Horgmo +19.608 (2.05.437)
6/ Kay De Wolf +31.216 (2.06.014)
7/ Andrea Adamo +43.554 (2.06.351)
8/ Kay Karssemakers +50.768 (2.08.744)
9/ Delvintor Alfarizi +1 lap (2.18.641)
10/ Diva Ismayana +1 lap (2.21.202)
Pit Row
1/ Tim Gajser +0.000 *1.59.528*
2/ Romain Febvre +8.724 (2.00.384)
3/ Ruben Fernandez +13.753 (2.00.384)
4/ Jorge Prado Garcia +21.571 (2.00.505)
5/ Calvin Vlaanderen +33.770 (2.02.655)
6/ Glenn Coldenhoff +37.336 (2.02.643)
7/ Mitchell Evans +39.142 (2.03.599)
8/ Pauls Jonass +41.892 (2.01.072)
9/ Nicholas Lapucci +48.863 (2.03.755)
10/ Jed Beaton +56.204 (2.04.491)
What i don't get is that a guy like Jordi Tixier finds the funding to race and factory Beta doesn't.
but these sort of numbers were happening in the 90s and 00s so it's not a new thing, but its become a massive deal this year
It's really nothing new, though, with minimal to, perhaps, No travel assistance (or 'start' / prize money) provided, it's made it so very hard to do.
As I've pointed out a few times, there was never a full field of GP riders at the much celebrated (deservedly so) Carlsbad USGPs, and, others.
With reference to how Jordi Tixier is there, from other posters - well, he must have gained enough backing / and budgeted for the travel, with the structuring of his team. Beta, must not have - I'm not sure if they had indicated they weren't going to Indonesia early? It's the way of things - people / teams make plans. Sometimes they stick to them, somethings they don't.
'Euro' Privateers (and Teams, small and big) , have always been very adept at finding sponsors and backing, especially from the non moto side. But, there's a limit to what you can do, at times.
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