#12: MXGP of Indonesia - June 25-26

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6/24/2022 12:17 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/24/2022 12:42 AM

There are some threads already about the entries and the track, but I thought to make an "official" thread about this GP. Maybe the moderators can mold everything together? Thanks in advance.

Well: the field this weekend will be extremely thin like everyone knows, but I have to admit that track looks great! The riders seem enthousiastic aswell.

So in my opinion the problem isn't "what the hell are they doing in Indonesia", but the problem is the costs. Teams are paying over € 80,000 for 2 riders, 7 team members and the material to get there. All this for about 3 hours of racing. That's just absurd.

The GP's have been going to Indonesia since the late '90s, when the 125cc-class had a GP there (Jogyakarta if I recall correctly). Ofcourse not every rider made the expensive trip, but back then the top 15 of the standings got the shipping costs for free by the promotor ActionGroup (which was already led by Giuseppe Luongo - yes, him - back then).

That's not the case anymore these days. Everything got more and more expensive with the years, and with the current economical circumstances it's no surprise only a few teams (only the factory teams) make the trip. Also because they just can't sit it out. They have responsabilities to their manufacturers and sponsors.

So don't blame the Indonesian organisers, nor make fun of the local riders who will only do their absolute best they can, like they've always done in GPs like Brazil, Venezuela, Indonesia,.... Blame InFront. Blame David Luongo.

For shame, what those people are doing with our so so beloved sport.
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6/24/2022 12:21 AM

MXGP standings
1. Tim Gajser 485
2. Jeremy Seewer 384
3. Jorge Prado 366
4. Maxime Renaux 365
5. Glenn Coldenhoff 330
6. Rubén Fernández 304
7. Brian Bogers 252
8. Pauls Jonass 250
9. Jeremy Van Horebeek 229
10. Calvin Vlaanderen 227

MX2 standings
1. Jago Geerts 460
2. Tom Vialle 452
3. Simon Längenfelder 353
4. Kevin Horgmo 326
5. Mikkel Haarup 319
6. Andrea Adamo 282
7. Thibault Benistant 266
8. Isak Gifting 255
9. Stephen Rubini 249
10. Kay de Wolf 231
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6/24/2022 12:22 AM

Blame who you want for what you want, they don't give a f**k.

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6/24/2022 12:34 AM

According to some posters, you can't say anything nice whatsoever, you have to focus purely on the bad things...

But the original post was spot on

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6/24/2022 12:38 AM
Edited Date/Time: 6/24/2022 12:57 AM

KONG wrote:

Blame who you want for what you want, they don't give a f**k.

Ofcourse they don't care, but in my opinion it's way too easy to take one's frustrations on local organisers or riders, what is the case in so many situations.

"How much have they payed to get a GP in that shithole"
"How pathetic is the level of those guys, they get lapped after 5 minutes"

They just do the best they can considering the situations. Ofcourse the level of the local riders is way off of the factory guys and they shouldn't be there, but that's always been the case, even back in the 80s-90s. It's not their fault they make it to the main races with that "slow" pace.

Everyone likes the track in Argentina and were sad when it was doubtful it would be on the calendar, but the field has always been very thin there aswell. Now Indonesia gets a lot of backlash even before there's been a bike on the track. I can't understand that. As far as I know, this track could be for the Asian GP-scene what the Argentinian track is for the Southern-American GP-scene.

I've got more problems with (for example) a boring man-made track in Arroyomolinos when you know how much beautiful tracks Spain has, than with a GP in Indonesia or Thailand.

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6/24/2022 12:54 AM

Its a shame that overseas racing are so expensive this days and luongo's mind its bring his wallet money no matter what shitty track afford the race.
Like you said DeStouwer its pretty lame that Arroyomolinos afford the Spainish GP.
Even in my region(Murcia), we had better tracks in the past and I know a good list of tracks in Spain that are incredible.

Only good thing about indonesia is the track has elevation changes and looks good.

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6/24/2022 1:37 AM

The teams should get much more support for a round like Indonesia. The market for 2 wheel bikes is insane there and it's one of the most important market for all the OEMs.

Indonesia is such an important round, we should have at least 30 (good, not gate fillers) riders in both classes for it.

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6/24/2022 2:28 AM

Short central-european line-up check:
Surprizingly no czech, slovak nor hungarian riders in there.

I see myself out. grin

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6/24/2022 6:12 AM

It's nice that I can watch the Indonesian GPs live at a normal time for a change instead of having to stay up until 2am on a Sunday

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6/24/2022 6:46 AM

Bloody Hell, Australian rider numbers dominance....... cool

In the MXGP class with Evans, Beato, Murray and Stewart, I think we've got the most riders out there .

In a 21 man field. whistling

Good on Murray and Stewart for having a go. Unless either of them are Dastardly Kiwis riding under an MA license. w00t

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6/24/2022 8:49 PM

I like this track. It's narrow and looks like it'll be tough to pass on but that usually makes for close racing.

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6/24/2022 11:13 PM

MX2 Time Practice

Pos. Num. Rider Bike Nation Time Laps
1 #28 Tom Vialle KTM FRA 1:59.701 9
2 #74 Kay de Wolf Husqvarna NED +0:00.275 10
3 #93 Jago Geerts Yamaha BEL +0:00.455 10
4 #516 Simon Längenfelder GASGAS GER +0:00.844 9
5 #11 Mikkel Haarup Kawasaki DEN +0:01.449 8
6 #80 Andrea Adamo GASGAS ITA +0:01.705 11
7 #24 Kevin Horgmo Kawasaki NOR +0:02.890 9
8 #198 Thibault Benistant Yamaha FRA +0:03.095 11
9 #38 Stephen Rubini Honda FRA +0:04.264 6
10 #33 Kay Karssemakers KTM NED +0:04.891 10
11 #325 Delvintor Alfarizi Honda INA +0:09.389 7
12 #64 Diva Ismayana Kawasaki INA +0:15.010 7
13 #216 Ananda rigi Aditya Husqvarna INA +0:15.951 9
14 #529 Nakami Vidi Makarim Husqvarna INA +0:18.558 9
15 #65 Dharwin Lingam Kawasaki MAS +0:37.462 8
16 #68 Muhammad Hakimi Iroly Kawasaki MAS +0:52.307 1
17 #63 Phattiphat Theerapongs Rattanap KTM MAS - NaN

I'm actually pretty impressed that one of the Indonesians was within 10 seconds of the fastest time, not so impressed that one of the other wildcards was over 50 seconds off it lol

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6/24/2022 11:37 PM

Juck wrote:

MX2 Time Practice

Pos. Num. Rider Bike Nation Time Laps
1 #28 Tom Vialle KTM FRA 1:59.701 9
2 #74 Kay de Wolf Husqvarna NED ...more

Alfarizi has actually ridden in Europe before, I believe he did some emx125 before covid and qualified a few times. Earlier this year he rode the opening Spanish MX2 rounds and scored a few points. He must just dominate everything in Indo I’d imagine

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6/24/2022 11:39 PM

That random French guy Kerhoas in MXGP appears to be riding a 250 2-stroke

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6/25/2022 12:23 AM

Marco15UK wrote:

That random French guy Kerhoas in MXGP appears to be riding a 250 2-stroke

Riding under the French flag but for the Indonesian federation 🤔

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6/25/2022 12:51 AM

Looks like some extra homework for Paul Malin to learn these new names .

Wow, 5 million motorcycles were sold in Indonesia in 2021. Got to respect that.

Gorgeous track. A little better looking than Hangtown, with that Ocean in the background... Just sayin' wink


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6/25/2022 1:10 AM

MX2 qualifying race

1/ Tom Vialle +0.000 *2.04.518*
2/ Jago Geerts +7.464 (2.05.097)
3/ Thibault Benistant +13.522 (2.05.299)
4/ Simon Laengenfelder +15.826 (2.06.034)
5/ Kevin Horgmo +19.608 (2.05.437)
6/ Kay De Wolf +31.216 (2.06.014)
7/ Andrea Adamo +43.554 (2.06.351)
8/ Kay Karssemakers +50.768 (2.08.744)
9/ Delvintor Alfarizi +1 lap (2.18.641)
10/ Diva Ismayana +1 lap (2.21.202)

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6/25/2022 1:20 AM

Hope they fix the audio for tomorrow

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6/25/2022 2:35 AM

Bearuno wrote:

Bloody Hell, Australian rider numbers dominance....... cool

In the MXGP class with Evans, Beato, Murray and Stewart, I think ...more

Good too see some extra aussies out there having a crack, I’m sure they would of been more aussies over there if our national series wasn’t on the same weekend!

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6/25/2022 3:24 AM

MXGP qualifying race

1/ Tim Gajser +0.000 *1.59.528*
2/ Romain Febvre +8.724 (2.00.384)
3/ Ruben Fernandez +13.753 (2.00.384)
4/ Jorge Prado Garcia +21.571 (2.00.505)
5/ Calvin Vlaanderen +33.770 (2.02.655)
6/ Glenn Coldenhoff +37.336 (2.02.643)
7/ Mitchell Evans +39.142 (2.03.599)
8/ Pauls Jonass +41.892 (2.01.072)
9/ Nicholas Lapucci +48.863 (2.03.755)
10/ Jed Beaton +56.204 (2.04.491)

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6/25/2022 4:01 AM

The jump febvre was doing was impressive

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6/25/2022 6:28 AM

Track looks great! Just wish there would be more riders there to enjoy it.

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6/25/2022 6:41 AM

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"Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower."

6/25/2022 7:12 AM

Juck wrote:

Hope they fix the audio for tomorrow

It sounds like Malin is commentating through his phone...
What i don't get is that a guy like Jordi Tixier finds the funding to race and factory Beta doesn't.

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6/25/2022 7:17 AM

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"Sorry Goose, but it's time to buzz the tower."

6/25/2022 9:19 AM

D_L118 wrote:

It sounds like Malin is commentating through his phone...
What i don't get is that a guy like Jordi Tixier finds the funding ...more

And that Tixier even wants to spend that money... I mean he is a privateer, thats 25k or more spend on one race, that must be a decent percentage of his salary

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6/25/2022 3:06 PM

That track does look good.

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6/25/2022 9:21 PM

Soooooo... Im confused, what exactly happened for alot of riders to not go to this mxgp? ( I didnt see any threads about this, personally)

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6/25/2022 9:33 PM

Motodave15 wrote:

Soooooo... Im confused, what exactly happened for alot of riders to not go to this mxgp? ( I didnt see any threads about this, ...more

I believe something about costs to ship everything over or something (I don’t actually know but mav will see this and come set the record straight because I’m curious also)

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6/25/2022 9:36 PM
Edited Date/Time: 6/25/2022 9:39 PM

travelling to Indonesia is expensive and a long way to go from Europe (imagine having a National in Barrow, Alaska because it is similarly remote) so a lot of teams can't afford it

but these sort of numbers were happening in the 90s and 00s so it's not a new thing, but its become a massive deal this year

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