11.8 Lb Titanium Frame

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Edited Date/Time 9/3/2022 6:59am
Josh at Racetech Titanium just sent me these pics and they were just too badass not to share. This thing looks like it belongs at an art show or something...








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blackdiamond 8/15/2022 1:43pm
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DPR250R wrote:
Nice!
Almost too nice to get dirty. They built 5 of them for a Beta apparently but I am not sure which model.
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ti473 8/15/2022 1:43pm
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cool! what bike is it spec'ed to?

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LOOnatic 8/15/2022 2:07pm
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How many lbs saved over a stock frame?
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Motodave15 8/15/2022 2:13pm
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How much for a 18.5 fc450 husky version?
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blackdiamond 8/15/2022 2:15pm
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LOOnatic wrote:
How many lbs saved over a stock frame?
I am not sure exactly but I would imagine the stock steel frame is somewhere around 20 pounds but that is just an educated guess on my part.
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Sore Loser 8/15/2022 2:33pm
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That thing is too awesome.

Definitely gonna get claimed tho.
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OleTex 8/15/2022 3:04pm
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I was hoping it was the Triumph. Dang.
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Kinda crazy that its mated up with that motor. Maybe its powerful? Wouldn't a DI Two Stroke make more HP to weight? I wonder how the Ti Frame will feel pounding a turn? It flexes more, and is influenced by temperature. 9AM to 2PM could be a whole different bike. Suspension is a moving target.

BAD ASS otherwise. Someone needed to do it.
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blackdiamond 8/15/2022 3:54pm
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Tiki wrote:
Kinda crazy that its mated up with that motor. Maybe its powerful? Wouldn't a DI Two Stroke make more HP to weight? I wonder how the...
Kinda crazy that its mated up with that motor. Maybe its powerful? Wouldn't a DI Two Stroke make more HP to weight? I wonder how the Ti Frame will feel pounding a turn? It flexes more, and is influenced by temperature. 9AM to 2PM could be a whole different bike. Suspension is a moving target.

BAD ASS otherwise. Someone needed to do it.
One of my buddies just bought one of the Beta 200cc two strokes and he loves it.
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Tiki wrote:
Kinda crazy that its mated up with that motor. Maybe its powerful? Wouldn't a DI Two Stroke make more HP to weight? I wonder how the...
Kinda crazy that its mated up with that motor. Maybe its powerful? Wouldn't a DI Two Stroke make more HP to weight? I wonder how the Ti Frame will feel pounding a turn? It flexes more, and is influenced by temperature. 9AM to 2PM could be a whole different bike. Suspension is a moving target.

BAD ASS otherwise. Someone needed to do it.
blackdiamond wrote:
One of my buddies just bought one of the Beta 200cc two strokes and he loves it.
Well, He's a dick. LOL I bet its amazing. Just so much fun to ride.
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/15/564190/s1200_130CCB57_EF21_4AC0_ADBF_D7C9C10F337F.jpg[/img]

* unless your last name is Deegan
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Bruce372 8/15/2022 9:00pm
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Beautiful work! The human race can do amazing things!

I can just imagine people arguing on here about whether it turns better with aluminum or steel head stays LOL
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/15/564190/s1200_130CCB57_EF21_4AC0_ADBF_D7C9C10F337F.jpg[/img]

blackdiamond wrote:
* unless your last name is Deegan
That's the "Lars Larsson Rule" from 1971 when he rolled out his 170ish pound titanium framed Husky for the summer Inter-AMA series.

The AMA, being the forward thinking organization they have always beenCool , ruled titanium illegal because they wanted to keep the cost of racing down. Never mind that the works Suzukis at the time were even lighter, but you couldn't actually buy one of those.
https://motocrossactionmag.com/the-one-only-summer-of-the-titanium-husk…
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/08/15/564190/s1200_130CCB57_EF21_4AC0_ADBF_D7C9C10F337F.jpg[/img]

Not everyone runs AMA sanctioned events where that rule applies.
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I’m curious on weight savings, but also just how that frame would feel.
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blackdiamond wrote:
Almost too nice to get dirty. They built 5 of them for a Beta apparently but I am not sure which model.
Wicked looking! Any idea on what the project is for? Would love to know what else they’re doing and what the end goal is. I’d imagine they’re not stopping at just the frame.
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mitch199 8/16/2022 2:29am
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Perfect! They have my frames done in time. Please ask them send quickly to Australia before this weekend’s ride with the boys. 22 300 should still work, right?


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Gungadin 8/16/2022 6:01am
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Nice to look at with it's self finish and slightly oxidised welds. Cool

Half the stiffness, similar weight specific strength as 4130 steel for Ti tubing grades 5 and 9.

That frame is highly likely to be very flexy and a breakage risk- failure was the other half of the reason why the stuff was outlawed by the AMA.
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blackdiamond wrote:
Almost too nice to get dirty. They built 5 of them for a Beta apparently but I am not sure which model.
ebers wrote:
Wicked looking! Any idea on what the project is for? Would love to know what else they’re doing and what the end goal is. I’d imagine...
Wicked looking! Any idea on what the project is for? Would love to know what else they’re doing and what the end goal is. I’d imagine they’re not stopping at just the frame.
I can't say but they built 5 of them.
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Dave v3.0 wrote:
That's the "Lars Larsson Rule" from 1971 when he rolled out his 170ish pound titanium framed Husky for the summer Inter-AMA series. The AMA, being the...
That's the "Lars Larsson Rule" from 1971 when he rolled out his 170ish pound titanium framed Husky for the summer Inter-AMA series.

The AMA, being the forward thinking organization they have always beenCool , ruled titanium illegal because they wanted to keep the cost of racing down. Never mind that the works Suzukis at the time were even lighter, but you couldn't actually buy one of those.
https://motocrossactionmag.com/the-one-only-summer-of-the-titanium-husk…
Kind of amazing to see that a small country like sweden sent over a few dudes on old huskys to show the americans what motocross was about..
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Dave v3.0 8/16/2022 8:34am
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Dave v3.0 wrote:
That's the "Lars Larsson Rule" from 1971 when he rolled out his 170ish pound titanium framed Husky for the summer Inter-AMA series. The AMA, being the...
That's the "Lars Larsson Rule" from 1971 when he rolled out his 170ish pound titanium framed Husky for the summer Inter-AMA series.

The AMA, being the forward thinking organization they have always beenCool , ruled titanium illegal because they wanted to keep the cost of racing down. Never mind that the works Suzukis at the time were even lighter, but you couldn't actually buy one of those.
https://motocrossactionmag.com/the-one-only-summer-of-the-titanium-husk…
Lastander wrote:
Kind of amazing to see that a small country like sweden sent over a few dudes on old huskys to show the americans what motocross was...
Kind of amazing to see that a small country like sweden sent over a few dudes on old huskys to show the americans what motocross was about..
The Swedes were a force to be reckoned with in the motocross world for a period of time before political forces wiped out their drive.
https://www.mxgp.com/news/swedish-motocross-history
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DJB 8/16/2022 8:37am
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I remember going to a Trans AMA race (Rabbit Run- 78ish?) where the winner was DQ’d for titanium axles. I found out in Cycle News a week later. First I’d heard about titanium in moto.
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