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No real study exists. Some of what Leatt did many years ago was laughable and the height of junk science. Also purely focusing on the cervical spine and ignoring the head, thoracic and lumbar is reckless.
Hopefully we can agree that the AMA, MX Sports, Feld, and other entities should push for government grants to research neck braces. Another reason the Pro’s should have a union to advocate for safety which would trickle down to us average Joe’s.
One issue is the focus is so narrow on the cervical spine. And no I don’t care about a collar bone if it saves my neck. What I do care about are massive concussions and death due to those massive concussions and injuries to other parts of the spine.
I wear a brace, FWIW.
BP
My own injuries, injuries and death to others and the physics bias me against them, but it is just an opinion. If real research is done it could possibly change the risk/reward and I would wear one again. FWIW I wear knee braces, a chest pro, and the best helmets. I never ride on the street without a helmet or drive without a seatbelt.
However your perspective is a primative opinion and not based on aggregated data. Anyone who truly values the opportunity to de-risk this sport would be wise to heed the information in this study.
I am embarassed. I put this week a thread to help an injured rider who organised a massive charity auction. Only 2 members discussed it.
Here I come, I read the stats, and in 2 seconds see a massive flaw in it not one member in 4 pages have seen... You said "This is a well-documented report and all the sudden everyone is a professional statistician." Well, it is probably the worst stats analysis I have ever seen in a long time. Yet every one agree like a sheep on the previous member who gave his "intelligent" opinion on how biaised it was.
People, wake up ...
Yes, actually you need to go to stats 6. to see if it is biased of not, but as it is not, let us go back to stats 1.
Statistics 1 said: a critical cervical spine injury is 89% more likely without a neck brace.
Well, if 26 got injured while wearing a neckbrace, and 239 got injured while not wearing a neckbrace, do you really still believe "a critical cervical spine injury is 89% more likely without a neck brace." ?????
It is basic maths in a level, i am not a statistitian or scientific of any kind. I just read the numbers to understand the information that is given. We can say whatever we want with stats which highly by politics by the way, so it is necessary to understand the basics !
What should be written is simple:
[b]Statistics 1: a critical cervical spine injury is 819% more likely without a neck brace.
Formula: (239/26) - 1 x100
Basically all the analysis should be rewritten so I am mad all this work cannot be take as seriously as it should because someone doesn't know how to make a simple stats.
Pit Row
I've always believed in them. But just like seat belts and airbags in a car, nothing is 100% effective.
Yes, they can be hard on a collarbone. But that's a trade off I'll take all day long.
And as far as the guys who say they can't see or turn their heads, I call bs!! You obviously don't have it adjusted correctly. Once I get out on the track I don't even notice it.
For most of the rider's who say they don't work, no amount of data or studies will ever convince them otherwise. They simply want to validate their decision not to wear one.
And lets leave the "pro's don't wear them" argument out of it.
That's laughable. They only wear what they get paid to wear. MM does wear one but he may get paid for that.
But if you choose to take the risk and not wear one that's ok too. Although almost all the guys I ride with wear one, I would never push it on anyone. Personal choice.
This wasn’t a study to determine if they are effective or not and it was certainly not presented as a “scientific study.” This EMS company compiled their information collected from the injured riders they cared for over a 10 year period and presented their raw data and attempted to statisticaly represent them. I am not a statistician or a scientist but I can look at the raw data and notice a pattern. If you can’t then keep on doing what you are doing, if you are a statistician or scientist maybe take the time to look at their data and present it in a different way instead of getting into a pissing match about why you think it is flawed or that neck braces don’t work.
I know that over 30 years of riding I have only crashed two times out of MANY times that my helmet actually performed its intended job. By some of your logic presented in this thread I shouldnt wear my helmet because they are uncomfortable, hot, sweaty, and limit visibility.
Anywho... do what you want wear what you want and let’s go ride... jimminy Christmas!
1. Motorcycle engine size
2. Soil/track surface
3. Rider skill classification
I ride a 125, majority on sand (both by choice), and am a pro rider. I do not wear a neck brace. I do not like neck braces. I advocate them for riders of lesser skill (of whom are more likely to crash more often).
These statistics are very compelling. I will not be going to the dealer and buying a new brace, however.
Why are skilled supersport riders fulled geared in leathers and helmets while harley/cruiser riders wear work boots? Arent the lesser skilled riders(cruiser dudes) more likely to crash?
Why is someone who jumps 100ft jumps at 45mph be less of a concern for neck injuries than new riders going 20mph and jumping 20ft jumps or having tipovers in corners?
I dont think bike size, skill or dirt coditions matter. All it takes is the wrong angle to do it. Whether youre going 15mph or 40mph. Does not matter.
Everyone here is their own man. Nobody is trying to be someones mommy. Just understand the risks and stop trying to justify a stupid decision to not wear gear.
I was riding a 125
Rider skill is bullshit and doesn't come into it in any way Ernesto Fonseca? Jimmy Button?
I was definitely a decent rider who hardly crashed (in fact there's some who argue that people don't know how to crash properly, so less crashing = less practice)
Jemcee: it’s far easier to get out of shape quickly on a 450 than it is a 125.
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