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They are saying over the period, four people died and they didn't have a neck brace on, and one person died wearing a neck brace, so there is 69% increased chance of dying if you don't have a neck brace on?
Is that the way statistics analysis works? There is no statistical or scientific expertise referenced in the article, so it's kind of hard to say. You really need some type of scientific expertise to do a scientific study.
It's more accurate to say that over the sample period, 20% of people that died from cervical injury had a neck brace on, or 1 out of 5- I don't think you can draw the statistical conclusion they did. Am I missing something?
I like the idea of them and would no doubt ride with one!
I'm confused by those saying they would wear them but they're uncomfortable, I can tell ya a chair is pretty fucken uncomfortable! I'd rather be uncomfortable while riding instead of uncomfortable all of the time forever
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They took the number of people who were injured or killed and counted how many had braces on and who didn't, drawing a conclusion from that while ignoring all other factors. In other words, in order for neck braces to look bad in this study, more injured and killed riders would have neck braces on than without, which given the ratio of riders that wear them- would be very bad for neck braces.
There simply is no bulletproof scientific method to figure out these percentages, because there are an infinite amount of variables to any crash.
But what is simply laughable is how some people completely discard this data for not being scientific enough. They are REAL world samples.
For years people complained about how the data that was given about by neck brace companies was too theoretical and not enough real world.. Well shit this is as real world as it gets. That doesn't mean this is the be all end all research into neck brace safety, it just means that this 'kind' of research is as good as it gets for this particular product.
Also the percentages show the person who wrote this knows nothing about statistics. For example, 25 injuries with, 250 injuries without = 1000% more, not 89%.
Now I’m not saying the conclusion is false, just that it is based on incomplete data so it can’t be considered as fact.
There was a scientific study done a few years back and the conclusions were published in Moto Verte. Basically The conclusion was that neck braces don’t lower the risk of spinal injury, it just moves it lower on the spine, so less risk of death, more risk of being paraplegic. I don't remember if it said anything about the risk of other injuries.
Let’s use an extreme example just to show you my point:
Say the study is based on a sample of 10 000 riders, 1 of which wears a neck brace every time he’s on the track, and 9 999 of which never wears one. Then the conclusion would be that neck brace wearers sustain multiple injuries from multiple crashes while only a small portion of non wearers are likely to be injured once. This is the complete opposite of the conclusion shown here, using the exact same data provided.
This example is obviously bogus, but it shows that extrapolating from the data provided is pure speculation and proves nothing.
People saying “it needed to look how many extra people crashed” etc.
I don’t think the study professes to answer every question, and that’s ok. Anyone is welcome to study any other topics they feel.
It’s a good study, good to see some real statistics over a long period of time. It also doesn’t say “you must wear a neck brace” the decision is still on the rider.
But stuff like this is much better than anecdotal stories from individuals.
His head had snapped back upon impact and the brace limited the rearward motion. It did exactly what it was supposed to do. He hit with enough force to break both of those braces, and he only had a (mildly) sore neck. Now you can argue that this is all anecdotal evidence, and there's really no way that you could argue that he wouldn't have been injured without the brace. You can do that, but you will never convince me that he didn't avoid major neck injury due to the brace.
Look, I DGAF if you wear one, or not. That's totally 100% up to you. I respect your decision (to not wear one), and only ask that you respect mine.
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Reading is fundamental, as is comprehension. If you are disputing the results and the math, actually go and read the entire study. if you did read it, go read it again slowly and take as many laps as needed to let it sink in.
Again, this isn't a perfect statistic, but it it's pretty telling and addresses any concerns about sample size and distribution.
Kinda like wearing a helmet. Youre less likely to get a head injury wearing a helmet than without one. I heard a number like 82% of deaths on motorcycles occur when the rider wasnt wearing a helmet.
I cant believe some of you would risk your neck to save a collarbone. Have you even broken a collarbone before? Its not even a big deal. At least in comparison to your neck.
Helmets arent comfortable either. Bet some of you against neck braces have told people “your helmet is supposed to be a little uncomfortable when it fits right”. You could say the same about any protective gear. Yet none of you are riding in slippers and sweatpants are you?
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The report is anecdotal at best.
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