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4/1/2016 12:07 PM

I'm new to the MXGP series and was wondering why neither the 250 or 450 class have a number one plate. I know that some guy on a Yamaha recently won the championship on the 450 yet he still has 461. Why don't they have a number one plate?

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4/1/2016 12:10 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/1/2016 12:11 PM

Three-digit numbers are so "in."

Look for NASCAR to adopt three-digit numbers on their cars soon.

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4/1/2016 12:11 PM

Jordi Tixier ran No.1 last season as he was reigning MX2 champ, but the simple answer is that it's down to rider preference. Some riders choose to run No.1 and some choose to stick with their usual 'career' number. There's been quite a few riders that have ran the No.1 after their first title but then if they win more they choose not to use it. I'm pretty sure Cairoli used No.1 after his first MX2 title, as did Musquin

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4/1/2016 12:42 PM

It's the riders choice. You don't need a number 1 plate on your bike to show that you're the best.

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4/1/2016 12:42 PM

And last years MX2 champ, Tim Gajser, is in MXGP this year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the AMA added to their rules that the reigning champ must run number 1. Remember Carmichael running number 4 in most of his defending seasons. To me as an old schooler is a mystery why you wouldn't want to run with the number 1 plate! Plain stupid :D

I think (or they think) it has with marketing/branding to do. You cant be RC4 with a number 1 plate, you know with all the toys, shirts and what not you have to put on the market. I think it's all Valentino Rossi's fault that so many champs are running with their "career" number as defenders of the crown. Cairoli also always run with 222 even when he's been the defending champ.

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4/1/2016 12:57 PM

I wish the AMA would go back to the old numbering system & the GP's got back to running the number they finished the last championship in. As a new comer to the sport, a lower number means that rider is generally better.

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4/1/2016 1:27 PM

When I was racing it was all about earning the championship and being able to run the number 1 plate. why a rider would choose to not run the number 1 plate is beyond me.

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4/1/2016 1:41 PM

Numbers don't mean shit since they stopped using prior years results and giving permanent numbers to riders who have never raced the 450 class in the usa. It's cool to see a three digit rider dominate. Further proves the point.

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MR. X wrote:

That one dog keeps winning ,I'm so bored watching the finals ,somebody , somewhere ,owes me something . They need to change the format ,that way the dog I want to win will have a chance against the much faster dogs.

4/1/2016 1:56 PM
Edited Date/Time: 4/1/2016 1:57 PM

Poppanator wrote:

And last years MX2 champ, Tim Gajser, is in MXGP this year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the AMA added to their rules ...more

He would not have been RC4 under the current system. He would have been RC1.

Under current system, RC's #plate would have been the following:
year (#run) mx/sx
'97 (#70) mx
'98 (#1) mx
'99 (#1) mx
'00 (#4) mx
'01 (#1) mx
'02 (#1) mx
'03 (#1) mx
'04 (#1) mx
'05 (#1) mx
'06 (#1) mx
'07 (#1) mx

'97 (#70) sx
'98 (#70) sx
'99 (#1) sx
'00 (#4) sx
'01 (#4) sx
'02 (#1) sx
'03 (#1) sx
'04 (#1) sx *out but still would have #1 plate
'05 (#4) sx
'06 (#1) sx
'07 (#1) sx

11 years in mx, 2 of them a number other than 1 (70 once, 4 once)
11 years in sx, 5 of them a number other than 1 (70 twice, 4 thrice)
That's 22 seasons, having the #1 plate in 15 of them, #70 in 3, and #4 in 4.

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4/1/2016 4:18 PM

Berm wrote:

He would not have been RC4 under the current system. He would have been RC1.

Under current system, RC's #plate would have ...more

In the old numbering system.

RC earned and ran #6 in 125 SX in 99.
Then earned and ran #9 in 250 SX in 99.

Then in 2000 was the first year of permanent numbers. I don't think he ever pointed into #4. In 2004 his outdoor points under the old system would have earned him #5 in SX 2005. Reed would have been 1SX/2MX, KDub 3, Vuillimen 4, RC 5, Bubba 6.

The way the permanent numbers were awarded originally was the rider with the most champions had first pick. So MC with 7 titles picked 2. Emig with 4 titles picked 3. RC with 3 titles picked 4. Henry with 3 picked 19. Larocco with 2 titles picked 5. Lamson with 2 picked 6. Albertyn with 1 picked 7.

But on topic the number 1 should be worn as long as you are the defending champ.

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4/1/2016 4:24 PM

Berm wrote:

He would not have been RC4 under the current system. He would have been RC1.

Under current system, RC's #plate would have ...more

Hehe, I was actually about to write just that about Carmichael, but was there anyone prior to to him (in AMA) who rode with his career number as defending champ? I don't think so. And I think it was after RC retired AMA changed the rules so that you have to ride with #1 as defending champ (at least I'd like to recall I read that somewhere sometime).

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4/1/2016 4:27 PM

Change Twitter & Instagram name because of a single digit number? Hell no!

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4/1/2016 4:52 PM

KirkChandler wrote:

In the old numbering system.

RC earned and ran #6 in 125 SX in 99.
Then earned and ran #9 in 250 SX in 99.

Then in 2000 ...more

I knew there was a number I was missing but couldn't find a pic or info on it (#6). Forgot about the #9.

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4/1/2016 6:05 PM

The euro guys don't run it cause they know they're blot really the fastest in the world...

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4/1/2016 6:56 PM

bob567 wrote:

Numbers don't mean shit since they stopped using prior years results and giving permanent numbers to riders who have never ...more

As the system stands now, number 1 is the only reverent number there is. You could not pay me enough money not to run the number 1 that I earned!

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4/1/2016 7:51 PM

I'll be honest; I don't know if anyone is getting the point here.

When a top rider/driver (especially a champion) locks in on a single number, that number takes on marketing value all its own. "VR46" and "TC222" have been everywhere on merchandise for years; I suspect "RF461" will be the same before too long (although it doesn't look so catchy).

I think NASCAR was the first to recognize this: whether it was "43" or "3" or "24" or "48," there was no damn way those guys were gonna display "1." Formula 1 has switched from team numbers to driver numbers, and now Hamilton carries 44, because it's his racing signature. In the '80s and '90s, Nos. 5 and 6 actually belonged to Williams, but Mansell will forever be associated with "Red 5." I think Senna loved carrying the No. 1 plate, but he was a one-man industry, and it's a wonder he didn't lead the charge to switch to permanent driver numbers.

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F1. MotoGP. MXGP. Screw the rest.

4/1/2016 10:49 PM

Why the hell the AMA or the FIM cares whether a rider wants to run the number one is stupid, if they want to run their three digit then by all means run it! I think it would be great if guys kept the same number their whole careers, I know for me I'd never change mine no matter how many championships I won. You guys seriously think having the leaders with a three digit number is confusing, but a chase format with an arbitrary points reset is completely intuitive?

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4/2/2016 1:31 AM

Brownstone322 wrote:

I'll be honest; I don't know if anyone is getting the point here.

When a top rider/driver (especially a champion) locks in on ...more

I understand the marketing value. If you are Kevin Schwantz. Or Valentino Rossi. And yes Ricky Carmichael.

I have a hard time believing there is much value in Glen Coldenhoffs #259.

Also think that instead of a number it could just as easily be a logo or figure or whatever that they put their marketing effort in and it would have the same result. Imo it starts with the drivers, not the number.

Anyway, i much rather see this:
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Compared to this:
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4/2/2016 1:45 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/2/2016 1:45 AM

They haven't come to America and won so they don't really hand those number 1 plates out over there. One guy has three number 2's though.

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4/2/2016 4:15 AM
Edited Date/Time: 4/2/2016 4:21 AM

Speaking of 3 digits, do you think that the number 222 and 777 are aware of the significance in numerology of those numbers? I can't help but think the choice is intentional. "The Man" ran 111 for some series in the US back in the day. Wonder if he too was thinking numerology. Kinda cool in my opinion.

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4/2/2016 6:53 AM

I think it is mental midgetry thinking. Today's pros now think that more #s on the plate mean more. As in: "I have three large numbers on my bike and jersey. That is a lot more/faster than your one small number...".


I am with Mit12....old school that believes the goal is the #1 plate. And you run/defend it so as to never give it away.

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4/2/2016 10:04 AM

Riders choice. You want to see the #1 on the bikes? Go win the title, and run the #1 plate. Done.

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4/2/2016 12:51 PM

'Some guy on a yamaha' laughing
You don't watch MXDN I take it?

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