WORCS vs. GNCC

Define Manly ?
I would have to say GNCC is tougher, No grooming of anything ever and no watering ever to keep the dust down.

I would vote for a push

[quote="Oldschool":3hivcc7w]Define Manly ?
I would have to say GNCC is tougher, No grooming of anything ever and no watering ever to keep the dust down.[/quote:3hivcc7w]

A) Obviously I'm biased
Whenever the WORCS pros show up at a GNCC race they do pretty well. The reverse is not true.

[quote="Oldschool":31hw2c2y]Define Manly ?
I would have to say GNCC is tougher, No grooming of anything ever and no watering ever to keep the dust down.[/quote:31hw2c2y]

Not quite true....they did water the start at Powerline Park this year. It was super dusty. I know cuz I raced there that day.

[quote="WORCSRACER":2xx9zgi5]
Whenever the WORCS pros show up at a GNCC race they do pretty well. The reverse is not true.[/quote:2xx9zgi5]

You're right. You're biased.

Besides Caselli's 4th overall this year at Georgia, the only time WORCS riders show up and do moderately well at GNCC's is at the first round in Florida. I don't think anyone would argue that Florida doesn't share much in common at all with the other 12 GNCC's.

How did Woods do in Maryland last year? How about Dietrich in Georgia? Soule?

How did Salminen do when he raced WORCS?

[quote="SPYGUY":2nw70xq9][quote="WORCSRACER":2nw70xq9]
Whenever the WORCS pros show up at a GNCC race they do pretty well. The reverse is not true.[/quote:2nw70xq9]

You're right. You're biased.

Besides Caselli's 4th overall this year at Georgia, the only time WORCS riders show up and do moderately well at GNCC's is at the first round in Florida. I don't think anyone would argue that Florida doesn't share much in common at all with the other 12 GNCC's.

How did Woods do in Maryland last year? How about Dietrich in Georgia? Soule?

How did Salminen do when he raced WORCS?[/quote:2nw70xq9]


When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.

[quote="WORCSRACER":dkuzwaf9]
When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.[/quote:dkuzwaf9]

David Knight is clearly the best off road racer in the world right now. What series does he race? Oh yeah, the GNCC. WORCS is a tough series, and so is the GNCC's, but I would say that the GNCC series is the most prestigious here in the US.

[quote="WORCSRACER":3muq2j10]
When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, [b:3muq2j10]the best of the best race WORCS.[/b:3muq2j10][/quote:3muq2j10]

Ha! You're the Mccread of the West!

[quote="WORCSRACER":2tlkvko4]Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.[/quote:2tlkvko4]

Must,,,,, resist,,,,,,,will,,,,,,,not,,,,,,,bite,,,,,,,

First, I have never raced a GNCC event. I have raced at the same location, Barnwell Mountain, Gilmer, Texas...The XC races we held at Barnwell were tough technical courses. Several guys I race with and respect as riders said our course was easy compared to the GNCC course..This has been the general consensus of all the guys I know that have raced different GNCC events.......GNCC is known to lay out nasty, technical courses, part of the reason the 450's in general have not done well there.

I have raced a couple of WORCS events. They are definitely more GP in nature, fast,flowing, and incorporate the said MX tracks.....It does make for a tough race to go wide open for that long. And the log/rock sections are tough....

Now what do you consider "Manly" WTFO for 2.5 -3 hours or snotty, rocky, tight crap that boils your bike over for the same time?

Pick your poison, honestly I like the courses we ran at the WORCS races, I have never had a GNCC track described to me that made me say "I wanna do that."

Awwwww....come on...GNCC tracks aren't that bad

[quote="ty159":2gyfo2cm][quote="WORCSRACER":2gyfo2cm]
When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.[/quote:2gyfo2cm]

David Knight is clearly the best off road racer in the world right now. What series does he race? Oh yeah, the GNCC. WORCS is a tough series, and so is the GNCC's, but I would say that the GNCC series is the most prestigious here in the US.[/quote:2gyfo2cm]


Hello? Ever heard of a guy named Kurt Caselli?

I think they are both equal from watching the footage. The east has some nasty bogs and slimy hills, the west makes you ride up mossy waterfalls coming down sharp shale. Either way the punishment for failure can result in a big ole ouch. I am looking forward to riding some of the WORCS races this year. If I could make some GNCC races I would go for them too. Just my thoughts on it.

[quote="Tiki":25xdc5bd]... I am looking forward to riding some of the WORCS races this year.[/quote:25xdc5bd] That sounds like fun!!

[quote="production262":3dfb8l3g][quote="ty159":3dfb8l3g][quote="WORCSRACER":3dfb8l3g]
When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.[/quote:3dfb8l3g]

David Knight is clearly the best off road racer in the world right now. What series does he race? Oh yeah, the GNCC. WORCS is a tough series, and so is the GNCC's, but I would say that the GNCC series is the most prestigious here in the US.[/quote:3dfb8l3g]


Hello? Ever heard of a guy named Kurt Caselli?[/quote:3dfb8l3g]

Oh yeah. I've heard of all of them. David Knight has 'em all covered. I take it you haven't watched last years "Last Man Standing"? Knight DESTROYED the entire field! Caselli is a bad ass, but Knight is the best right now.

[quote="BAMBAMM13":24oh9g5n][quote="Tiki":24oh9g5n]... I am looking forward to riding some of the WORCS races this year.[/quote:24oh9g5n] That sounds like fun!![/quote:24oh9g5n]
There is absoutly no reason why you and ZJ dont join me. Missery loves company!

[quote="ty159":1hxd6xn9]
Oh yeah. I've heard of all of them. David Knight has 'em all covered. I take it you haven't watched last years "Last Man Standing"? Knight DESTROYED the entire field! Caselli is a bad ass, but Knight is the best right now.[/quote:1hxd6xn9]

Knight would not beat Caselli on a WORCS course and I guess you didn't read about the six days... Knighter is awesome but right now he isn't at the top of his game AND others have stepped up theirs. It's a dogfight and my money would be on the kid from Palmdale. Knighter has his work cut out for him in 2008.

[quote="WORCSRACER":1hm9y9go][quote="ty159":1hm9y9go]
Oh yeah. I've heard of all of them. David Knight has 'em all covered. I take it you haven't watched last years "Last Man Standing"? Knight DESTROYED the entire field! Caselli is a bad ass, but Knight is the best right now.[/quote:1hm9y9go]

Knight would not beat Caselli on a WORCS course and I guess you didn't read about the six days... Knighter is awesome but right now he isn't at the top of his game AND others have stepped up theirs. It's a dogfight and my money would be on the kid from Palmdale. Knighter has his work cut out for him in 2008.[/quote:1hm9y9go]

Knight didn't ride this years Six Days, did he? He has won the Overall in the past, however.

Caselli is an awesome rider, there's no doubt about it...but how many races did he win this year....2 WORCS races? He didn't dominate the series by any means.

Again, you keep trying to compare riders from series that aren't the same type of riding.

[quote="SPYGUY":2vpccams]
Caselli is an awesome rider, there's no doubt about it...but how many races did he win this year....2 WORCS races? He didn't dominate the series by any means.
[/quote:2vpccams]

Kurt Caselli
Nathan Woods
Robby Bell
Bobby Garrison
Justin Soule
Destry Abbott
Ricky Detreich
Damon Huffman
Kendall Norman
Kyle Lewis
Ty Davis
Bobby Bonds
Timmy Weigland
Scott Simon
Kyle Summers
Chris Johnson
Richie Owens
Jamie Lanza

Just a few of the 2008 contenders for the World Championship in the WORCS.

David Knight is a tough, tough rider but he wouldn't win the championship in the WORCS.

[quote="WORCSRACER":v1ahc030][quote="SPYGUY":v1ahc030]
Caselli is an awesome rider, there's no doubt about it...but how many races did he win this year....2 WORCS races? He didn't dominate the series by any means.
[/quote:v1ahc030]

Kurt Caselli
Nathan Woods
Robby Bell
Bobby Garrison
Justin Soule
Destry Abbott
Ricky Detreich
Damon Huffman
Kendall Norman
Kyle Lewis
Ty Davis
Bobby Bonds
Timmy Weigland
Scott Simon
Kyle Summers
Chris Johnson
Richie Owens
Jamie Lanza

Just a few of the 2008 contenders for the World Championship in the WORCS.

David Knight is a tough, tough rider but he wouldn't win the championship in the WORCS.[/quote:v1ahc030]

Yep, you're right. Scott Simon and Chris Johnson would give David Knight fits!

What''s the last GNCC you've attended, again?

How can you say what a rider in another series would do if he never races that series?

[quote="Farva":m0jbdzdz]How can you say what a rider in another series would do if he never races that series?[/quote:m0jbdzdz]

I guess you don't understand how bench racing works... " title="Laughing">

[quote="WORCSRACER":1hw60hr9]

I guess you don't understand how bench racing works... " title="Laughing">[/quote:1hw60hr9]

Shouldn't you be on the road about now? Good luck this weekend......You coming to Taft for Rnd. 1 of the Big 6?

[quote="WORCSRACER":3mbdxgyo]

When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.[/quote:3mbdxgyo]

I happened to be looking at the August 2001 issue of DirtBike Magazine, and in the Roost section, they mentioned that Shane Watts Qualified for Glen Helen that year and went 31-26. He also qualified for Mt. Morris, and went 15-40.

[quote="harescrambled":2b75x27h][quote="WORCSRACER":2b75x27h]

When was the last time a GNCC rider even showed up? How many GNCC guys can make the gate at an AMA National? Biased or not, the best of the best race WORCS.[/quote:2b75x27h]

I happened to be looking at the August 2001 issue of DirtBike Magazine, and in the Roost section, they mentioned that Shane Watts Qualified for Glen Helen that year and went 31-26. He also qualified for Mt. Morris, and went 15-40.[/quote:2b75x27h]

He missed qualifying for the Daytona SX by 1 or 2 spots that year also.

Apples and Oranges

With that said, I would LOVE to do the worcs series.
Aside from GNCC & Scrambles, D11 in southern ohio has something that mimicks the west coast stuff. THey call them Grand Prix, usually at an mx track, mix in feild and woods for a 1hr moto on a 3-4 mile course. They are awesome.


Also: Barry Hawk has made the show at the High Point Nat.

I'd say Caselli's 13th Place Overall finish yesterday proves exactly what most semi-intelligent people have been saying all along (This doesn't include you, WORCSRacer):

WORCS and GNCC is an apples to oranges comparison. The guys on both coasts are very talented, fast motorcycle racers. And to say one group is faster than the other is stupid.


Yadkinville was a fast, dry, dusty course and I'll admit that I thought Caselli would be up there in contention for the win. He didn't seem on it, though and at one point even Heath Voss on that Husky reeled Kurt in.


Now, I'm not trying to take anything away from him, because I know just how badass he truly is on a motorcycle and I think he'll be a contender for the title next year if/when KTM brings him over. But I also know how badass the GNCC guys are that Mr. Clueless (WORCSracer) continually disrespects.

So you think most semi-intelligent people would have predicted Kurt's 13th place finish? Now that would have been clueless. Kurt had a bad day. Kurt admits he had a bad day. Actually he sucked and he'd tell you that if you asked him. Hitting a tree at 30mph will slow you down a bit.


The GNCC is a great series, tough woods courses, lots of history and lots of amateur entries. I am not taking away from the riders they're good at what they do. However I think they are woods specialists just like the Hare and Hound guys are desert specialists. Are they excellent riders? hell ya! But can they translate that success to other types of racing?


What I want SPYGUY is for the GNCC guys to come out to race. Then maybe we could see how well they'd do. IMO, Caselli will win a GNCC race however there isn't a GNCC guy who can win a WORCS race. Well unless Kurt decides to race the GNCC's... Maybe I am wrong and the GNCC guys are the Kings of Off Road but I don't see any GNCC racers making any effort to race out here and BTW, we do have woods races. Lets see how they do in those if that would make them comfortable.

Why not a nationwide series that combines both?

Both series rely almost entirely on the amateur racers to make their money.

Once you spread the events out all over the country, you'd lose the loyal following of a lot of the regulars because they'd no longer be able to hit most of the races.