The Vital MX '18 RMZ450 (2018 Day In The Dirt Race Report and LONG TERM WEAR status)

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I notice you run the rear wheel very short, have you tried an extra link in the chain? I know almost all pros run their axle blocks at full extension on the zooks.
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8/10/2018 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 8/10/2018 4:23pm
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I notice you run the rear wheel very short, have you tried an extra link in the chain? I know almost all pros run their axle...
I notice you run the rear wheel very short, have you tried an extra link in the chain? I know almost all pros run their axle blocks at full extension on the zooks.
Good eye!

That's intentional. I've been working on making 450s turn better on tighter tracks. Even the forks are up in the clamps about 9mm. This thing is stable AND it turns like a 125.

I ran the axle waaaaay back like I do on a CRF/KXF...But, I'm enjoying the ability to easily take inside lines with this set-up.
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After riding the '19 RM-Z during the shootout this week, I've got a very good bead in just how different my suspension settings are from Factory Connection. I should say,"I've got a definite understanding of how AMAZING the Factory Connection Suspension is!"...

Stock, the forks are pretty good but seem a little slow to respond to those brutal kickers that tracks get late in the day. They're better than most; but, seemed to be tuned slow on the compression side as if they're trying to match the slow over-all compression of the shock. The shock just WILL NOT loosen up enough to respond well to choppy kickers or square edged bumps.

I'd talked to someone that tested the "Works" version of this design during the RCH Suzuki era and he'd told me that the shock was ALWAYS "over-valved" and went on to say that it was never quick-enough to react to all the various obstacles on the track...especially "outdoors". He felt that the shock may very well be capable; but, they never got it to work the way they wanted and just went back to the excellent shock they'd been running.

I'd seriously considered a different shock. I talked to an excellent suspension specialist at Factory Connection by the name of Mike Haist and he'd suggested that I give them a try because they're familiar with the shock and understand it's differences.

So, after I raced the Mammoth Qualifier at The Oatfield in April, I sent the suspension off to FC & did a little light servicing on the bike.

When I got it back I went out to Pala and was amazed. You can see that post from May on page 2 of this thread. The bike felt lighter and waaaay more responsive. It jumped, turned and took whoops WAY better and it's simply much easier to ride. The shock feels normal. It is much livelier and is capable of being adjusted fairly "normally"...which you can't say about the stock shock.

The forks went from good to "Epic!". The new Showas are pretty darn good out of the box and FC makes them "A-Kit Great". Any of you RM-Army types in Southern or Northern California that wants to give it a spin? Let a brother know!
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@teamgreen Do you feel it needs the linkage? I know the JGR linkage is really adjustable. I’m about to get a run out 18 but will probably just bolt on an ohlins shock for convenience. Will do racetech for the forks myself. No tuners here in New Zealand with the resources FC has. Sucks my Akit shock doesn’t bolt in
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8/18/2018 6:02am Edited Date/Time 8/18/2018 6:04am
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@teamgreen Do you feel it needs the linkage? I know the JGR linkage is really adjustable. I’m about to get a run out 18 but will...
@teamgreen Do you feel it needs the linkage? I know the JGR linkage is really adjustable. I’m about to get a run out 18 but will probably just bolt on an ohlins shock for convenience. Will do racetech for the forks myself. No tuners here in New Zealand with the resources FC has. Sucks my Akit shock doesn’t bolt in
I didn't feel this bike needed the link, what it needed was a shock that would actually absorb choppy and square-edged bumps. It needed to work as well as the previous generation's Showa RMZ Showa shock. I'm guessing it's a little more difficult to get your shock serviced down in NZL...but, I would e-mail FC & see what they can do...they're pretty awesome peeps.

Now, if the shock (or the linkage) is something you're comfortable with, I'd go for it. But, it's still just a band-aid (link) & what you really need is a good shock...
So, that brings us to the Öhlins: if you've got good local support for that shock & you're comfortable with the price?
ABSOLUTELY!

The bike feels like an entirely DIFFERENT (read BETTER!) bike once you get the rear-end working right. The ability to really attack turns, whoops and big jumps is unleashed and you can really capitalize on the way the RMZ turns...even in the rough stuff.
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Hey TG... I picked up my ‘18 zook 450 last week (comin off a 16 350 sxf). By the grace of God we got a lil rain today so my backyard sand track was as good as it’s been in awhile. I set up my shock per the standard settings in the manual and slowedthe rebound down a half a turn more. I had as much fun riding and feel like I rode as well as I have in awhile today on that bike!! Everything felt good and I think I cornered better than I ever have! Mind you I suck, but it still felt great! Loving the bike!

Here my question... I run T4 in everything I’ve ever rode. I don’t feel like the bike idles real clean. Hard to explain. Almost a little rough?? I’ve never owned a Suzuki so I’m not sure what they should sound like. I did adjust the idle a few times but other than speeding it up or slowing it down, it doesn’t change much.

Kind of a vague question I know.... but any adjustments that need (or can) to be made off the top of your head??? Is it the 4’ long muffler causing the rough sounding idle? Just don’t want to break anything!!!!
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Hey TG... I picked up my ‘18 zook 450 last week (comin off a 16 350 sxf). By the grace of God we got a lil...
Hey TG... I picked up my ‘18 zook 450 last week (comin off a 16 350 sxf). By the grace of God we got a lil rain today so my backyard sand track was as good as it’s been in awhile. I set up my shock per the standard settings in the manual and slowedthe rebound down a half a turn more. I had as much fun riding and feel like I rode as well as I have in awhile today on that bike!! Everything felt good and I think I cornered better than I ever have! Mind you I suck, but it still felt great! Loving the bike!

Here my question... I run T4 in everything I’ve ever rode. I don’t feel like the bike idles real clean. Hard to explain. Almost a little rough?? I’ve never owned a Suzuki so I’m not sure what they should sound like. I did adjust the idle a few times but other than speeding it up or slowing it down, it doesn’t change much.

Kind of a vague question I know.... but any adjustments that need (or can) to be made off the top of your head??? Is it the 4’ long muffler causing the rough sounding idle? Just don’t want to break anything!!!!
The Suzuki idles a little slower/lower than other bikes and with a little bit of "thump". Coming off the 350, you've now got a bike with A LOT of crank mass/inertia...that makes the idle feel & sound a bit thumpier.

If ya really think something is funky, take it back to the shop and compare it to another RMZ.

Running T4 is wise. Really good consistent fuel that lets your bike run right. Keep it out of sunlight/heat and store it in a dry place.

If the bike feels a little rough on square-edged bumps, trying taking a little bit of compression out of the shock.

Enjoy your new ride!

Manny
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8/19/2018 8:14am
Also, which map-plug is in it? I normally run the std plug.
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Also, which map-plug is in it? I normally run the std plug.
Thank you! That makes me feel better.

I left the standard one in it. Haven’t messed with them at all. Probably stick with it.

Do you mess with the idle speed at all? I typically have ran my bikes with a little faster idle in the past....

Appreciate the insight!
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8/19/2018 1:53pm
The Suzuki isn't "stall-happy" so I haven't had to run it high; but, that's something you should set to suit you.
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9/12/2018 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 9/12/2018 3:42pm
I've met a few of you fellow Vital members and riders at the track and I've been asked A LOT of questions about the shock...
Well, I'm pretty stoked on my Factory Connection revalve. It works as good as any other shock I've had on a 450 track bike. Some of you have asked "How do you get the bike to stay 'planted' in the really ugly rutted turns at places like Hangtown or Glen Helen?
Simple!
It's the shock.
It's that Good!

The shock is much livelier in the middle of the stroke and that seems to have helped it with its "dead feeling". The compression adjuster now makes a real difference on the "High Speed" side of the compression stoke and that's making the biggest difference.

Factory Connection has figured this shock out!

Notes: stock link.

Also, a lot of people have had good luck with just getting the correct springs for the fork. I went with Factory Connection up-front, too. Stock is really pretty damn good and just needs the preload set correctly & that often is corrected with good springs. I run my forks up in the clamps about 10mm.
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9/22/2018 5:09am
Awesome ride report, ill be looking for a leftover in the winter/spring. How do you like the rekluse I had one on my ktm that would stall at the most random times like a downhill or mid air brake tap would only do it like every 2 or 3 rides, have you experienced any thing like that. Now throw some yellow rims on that zook!!
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Awesome ride report, ill be looking for a leftover in the winter/spring. How do you like the rekluse I had one on my ktm that would...
Awesome ride report, ill be looking for a leftover in the winter/spring. How do you like the rekluse I had one on my ktm that would stall at the most random times like a downhill or mid air brake tap would only do it like every 2 or 3 rides, have you experienced any thing like that. Now throw some yellow rims on that zook!!
I'm running the Rekluse TorqDrive "clutch pack". It comes wth the entire set of clutch-plates plates (steel and fiber), springs AND "steel sleeves" for the clutch basket. these sleeves protect the tabs on your clutch basket that normally wear out and cause you to need to buy a new one.

Soviet's NOT the "Auto' clutch. I've got one of those on my Husky 350 for off-road and it's awesome.
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Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke a couple ribs. Rider error I was thinking, but noticed today that occasionally it just seems to grab and the handlebars give a quick jerk. Sometimes I’m really on it and it’s ok and others it just seems to catch real hard for a split second. Got me about half wigged out! Never had one grab and twist the bars like this. Not sure how much is me and how much is the brake???
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Gilby122 wrote:
Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke...
Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke a couple ribs. Rider error I was thinking, but noticed today that occasionally it just seems to grab and the handlebars give a quick jerk. Sometimes I’m really on it and it’s ok and others it just seems to catch real hard for a split second. Got me about half wigged out! Never had one grab and twist the bars like this. Not sure how much is me and how much is the brake???
You can look into a Galfer floating rotor, it takes a bit of the initial bite out of the rotor, gives more progressive feel rather then the “ on” “off” feel.
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Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke...
Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke a couple ribs. Rider error I was thinking, but noticed today that occasionally it just seems to grab and the handlebars give a quick jerk. Sometimes I’m really on it and it’s ok and others it just seems to catch real hard for a split second. Got me about half wigged out! Never had one grab and twist the bars like this. Not sure how much is me and how much is the brake???
You can look into a Galfer floating rotor, it takes a bit of the initial bite out of the rotor, gives more progressive feel rather then...
You can look into a Galfer floating rotor, it takes a bit of the initial bite out of the rotor, gives more progressive feel rather then the “ on” “off” feel.
I run a Glafer 280 Tsunami floater...as Joe implied...

It resolves ANY braking issue.
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Gilby122 wrote:
Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke...
Hey Manny! Real quick. Have you had any issues with that front brake bein a tad aggressive!? It ejected me about a month ago and broke a couple ribs. Rider error I was thinking, but noticed today that occasionally it just seems to grab and the handlebars give a quick jerk. Sometimes I’m really on it and it’s ok and others it just seems to catch real hard for a split second. Got me about half wigged out! Never had one grab and twist the bars like this. Not sure how much is me and how much is the brake???
You can look into a Galfer floating rotor, it takes a bit of the initial bite out of the rotor, gives more progressive feel rather then...
You can look into a Galfer floating rotor, it takes a bit of the initial bite out of the rotor, gives more progressive feel rather then the “ on” “off” feel.
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I run a Glafer 280 Tsunami floater...as Joe implied...

It resolves ANY braking issue.
Awesome. Thank you both!
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It’s been over 1 year and 130 hours with this bike. This is the MOST DEPENDABLE FOUR STROKE MX Engine I’ve ridden. Ever. Period. No VALVE adj. and the only engine parts have been 2 replacement clutches.
I call this thing “The Small Black Chevy” of 450s. It’s THAT GOOD.

In the beginnng: The Shock set-up was a challenge and Factory Connection resolved that. The fork is excellent and the average guy can get it figured out with a flat-blade screwdriver and might need to correct the pre-load. All the while...
It handles like a TRUE Suzuki.
It turns like a dream and it’s easy to get around the track thanks to an easy to use engine package and an excellent gear box that’s controlled by a VERY easy & smooth clutch.

I raced it (for what’s probably the last time) at this year’s Day in The Dirt:
One holeshot (in a race that was actually my “practice laps” on Friday).
A really fun Team Race on Sat with the folks from Guts (3rd place start!)
And...a Win in 0-50 Int on Sunday! (Another great start!)
The bike is SO EASY to ride for long periods of time...it really is.

I’m gonna miss this thing...


My genius race-tuner adding some Engine Ice...


Friday’s “Warm-Up Race”


Sunday’s Old Guy Race!


Another Win for the TRULY “Long Term Vital MX 2018 RMZ450”.
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Thanks for all the feedback, it's such an amazing bike after a few mods. Will be interested to see what bike you get next.
12/10/2018 11:31pm
Good read and good feedback. If so many people didn't by a moto based on brochure figures, I think they'd be much happier. Sheeple!
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The bike goes back to Suzuki, US next week. It was suppose to go back on the 18th; but, holiday schedules and last minute trick-stuff for a certain champion's Husky took precedence. So...the RMZ might get a day at the track or trail mañana.

This has been the single most dependable 450 MXer I've ever ridden for a long period of time.
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1/7/2019 5:02pm
Nice report on a true long term evaluation! What are the "grease rings" on the bolts you mentioned that one of the mechanics had on it?
1/10/2019 10:06am
manny, Now i know where matt got all his set up from! nice write up!

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