#8: MXGP of Latvia

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Anyone know what failed in Herlings’ previous DNF?

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So this is the 2027 that Fernandez raced all 2025 season? But now it's production based bikes they are getting?

Honda got to be some what nervous with potentially thousands of bikes rolling of the production lines as we speak.sure, average Joe isn't Herlings. But could be another Triumph moment, worst case.

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Fastest laps of sunday races 

EMX125 race 2 

2.05.337 = Moritz Ernecker 
2.06.291 = Levi Townley
2.07.057 = David Cracco
2.07.824 = Bertram Thorius 
2.07.969 = Liam Bruneau
2.07.988 = Brian Gyles
2.08.036 = Gennaro Utech
2.08.147 = Lucas Leok
2.08.554 = Ricardo Bauer
2.09.096 = Eliot Buysschaert 

EMX250 race 2 

2.01.709 = Francisco Garcia 
2.02.693 = Liam Owens
2.03.468 = Mads Fredsoe 
2.03.477 = Jekabs Kubulins 
2.04.043 = Tom Brunet
2.04.230 = Nicolai Skovbjerg 
2.04.450 = Jake Cannon 
2.04.669 = Kasimir Hindersson
2.04.690 = Aron Katona
2.04.701 = Gyan Doensen/William Askew 

MX2 race 1 

1.58.744 = Sacha Coenen 
2.00.640 = Camden Mc Lellan 
2.00.994 = Simon Längenfelder 
2.01.038 = Liam Everts 
2.01.165 = Guillem Farres 
2.01.195 = Mathis Valin 
2.01.417 = Jens Walvoort 
2.01.472 = Valerio Lata
2.01.492 = Karlis Reisulis 
2.01.645 = Janis Reisulis 

MXGP race 1 

1.56.081 = Lucas Coenen 
1.56.422 = Kay De Wolf 
1.56.503 = Jeffrey Herlings 
1.56.560 = Romain Febvre 
1.57.497 = Tim Gajser
1.58.746 = Ruben Fernandez 
1.58.828 = Pauls Jonass 
1.58.987 = Andrea Adamo
1.59.147 = Oriol Oliver
1.59.781 = Calvin Vlaanderen 

MX2 race 2 

1.58.642 = Sacha Coenen
1.59.788 = Karlis Reisulis 
2.00.063 = Valerio Lata
2.00.564 = Mathis Valin
2.00.573 = Guillem Farres 
2.00.653 = Camden Mc Lellan 
2.01.076 = Ferruccio Zanchi 
2.01.337 = Simon Längenfelder 
2.01.880 = Liam Everts 
2.01.912 = Janis Reisulis 

MXGP race 2 

1.57.423 = Lucas Coenen
1.57.791 = Jeffrey Herlings 
1.58.053 = Romain Febvre 
1.58.383 = Kay De Wolf 
1.58.462 = Tim Gajser
1.59.376 = Pauls Jonass 
1.59.535 = Andrea Adamo 
2.01.188 = Kevin Horgmo
2.01.707 = Jorgen-Matthias Talviku 
2.01.862 = Ruben Fernandez

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MX2 points for sunday races 

316 = Sacha Coenen
296 = Simon Längenfelder 
292 = Guillem Farres 
274 = Camden Mc Lellan 
263 = Liam Everts
256 = Mathis Valin
234 = Janis Reisulis 
213 = Karlis Reisulis 
180 = Valerio Lata 
151 = Kay Karssemakers 

MX2 points for qualifying 

69 = Sacha Coenen 
52 = Camden Mc Lellan 
52 = Mathis Valin 
51 = Liam Everts 
48 = Guillem Farres 
47 = Simon Längenfelder 
46 = Janis Reisulis 
36 = Valerio Lata 
10 = Karlis Reisulis 
10 = Kay Karssemakers 

MXGP points for sunday races 

334 = Lucas Coenen 
294 = Jeffrey Herlings 
261 = Romain Febvre 
250 = Tim Gajser 
236 = Kay De Wolf 
228 = Maxime Renaux 
221 = Ruben Fernandez 
197 = Andrea Adamo
184 = Tom Vialle
159 = Pauls Jonass 

MXGP points for qualifying 

70 = Lucas Coenen 
49 = Romain Febvre 
48 = Jeffrey Herlings 
44 = Tim Gajser 
44 = Andrea Adamo 
37 = Kay De Wolf 
35 = Tom Vialle 
33 = Maxime Renaux 
26 = Ruben Fernandez 
16 = Pauls Jonass

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Reese95w wrote:
I just watched the Latvia MXPG highlights on YouTube.  The track looked like it had lots of different lines to me.But, I counted only 19 riders...

I just watched the Latvia MXPG highlights on YouTube.  The track looked like it had lots of different lines to me.

But, I counted only 19 riders on the line for the 2nd MX2 moto and only 25 riders on the line for the 2nd MXGP moto.  That is pretty pathetic.  I remember when World Championship Moto-cross GP's had 40 riders on the line, in the 125, 250, and 500 classes.

Bonanza69 wrote:

The racing today was better with 20 riders than your national yesterday with 40 riders,just saying!

Mavetism wrote:
I hate to say it but he's right. It's pathetic that riders have to pay to ride in a world championship, some even have to pay...

I hate to say it but he's right. It's pathetic that riders have to pay to ride in a world championship, some even have to pay to be on a team. I don't think Reese wanted to bash the series itself, it's a product of greedy promoters and it will only get worse in the future. Obviously we still have some rounds with incredible full starting gates but still.. also too many riders in the EMX class because it's easier and less expensive than doing the full Mx2 schedule.

It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are the best that can line up, it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the racing for me and in some respects it enhances it.

And that's Luongo's get-out-of-jail card.

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Bonanza69 wrote:

The racing today was better with 20 riders than your national yesterday with 40 riders,just saying!

Mavetism wrote:
I hate to say it but he's right. It's pathetic that riders have to pay to ride in a world championship, some even have to pay...

I hate to say it but he's right. It's pathetic that riders have to pay to ride in a world championship, some even have to pay to be on a team. I don't think Reese wanted to bash the series itself, it's a product of greedy promoters and it will only get worse in the future. Obviously we still have some rounds with incredible full starting gates but still.. also too many riders in the EMX class because it's easier and less expensive than doing the full Mx2 schedule.

Elliot wrote:
It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are...

It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are the best that can line up, it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the racing for me and in some respects it enhances it.

And that's Luongo's get-out-of-jail card.

With just 20 riders it's not a "grand" prix in my eyes.

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Elliot wrote:
It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are...

It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are the best that can line up, it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the racing for me and in some respects it enhances it.

And that's Luongo's get-out-of-jail card.

I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. 

We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not fast enough.

While at the same time there are a bunch in emx250 who if raced in mx2 wont get lapped or even fight for a top 10.

 

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rym wrote:
I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not...

I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. 

We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not fast enough.

While at the same time there are a bunch in emx250 who if raced in mx2 wont get lapped or even fight for a top 10.

 

I'm not sure what your point is?

That some of the top 20 get lapped isn't an argument that we should have even more lappers.

That some EMX riders would finish top 10 in MX2 is irrelevant to the consideration of how many riders line up.

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I’ve watched every race of the GP’s this year.  Beyond the first 3 seconds after the gate drops you would have no way of telling there’s only 20 riders.

What I do notice however is the comparative lack of lappers compared to the US Nationals.  Moto 2 in Latvia they lapped up to 16th place; taking out guys who dropped out early (DNF’s) there were only 5 lappers left on the track.  Moto 2 at Hangtown they lapped up to 19th place; with 3 DNFs there were 18 lappers left on the track including a couple of guys who got lapped twice.


More is not better in this case.

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Mavetism wrote:
I hate to say it but he's right. It's pathetic that riders have to pay to ride in a world championship, some even have to pay...

I hate to say it but he's right. It's pathetic that riders have to pay to ride in a world championship, some even have to pay to be on a team. I don't think Reese wanted to bash the series itself, it's a product of greedy promoters and it will only get worse in the future. Obviously we still have some rounds with incredible full starting gates but still.. also too many riders in the EMX class because it's easier and less expensive than doing the full Mx2 schedule.

Elliot wrote:
It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are...

It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are the best that can line up, it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the racing for me and in some respects it enhances it.

And that's Luongo's get-out-of-jail card.

With just 20 riders it's not a "grand" prix in my eyes.

What’s the magic number?

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Elliot wrote:
It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are...

It is pathetic but actually the only thing I miss by having just 20 riders on the gate is lappers. As long as those 20 are the best that can line up, it doesn't take anything away from the quality of the racing for me and in some respects it enhances it.

And that's Luongo's get-out-of-jail card.

With just 20 riders it's not a "grand" prix in my eyes.

ando wrote:

What’s the magic number?

They need to change mxgp and mx2 from 40 to maximum of 30 ........fewer emx 250 races and lower the age limit to 19 in that class........

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rym wrote:
I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not...

I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. 

We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not fast enough.

While at the same time there are a bunch in emx250 who if raced in mx2 wont get lapped or even fight for a top 10.

 

Elliot wrote:
I'm not sure what your point is?That some of the top 20 get lapped isn't an argument that we should have even more lappers.That some EMX...

I'm not sure what your point is?

That some of the top 20 get lapped isn't an argument that we should have even more lappers.

That some EMX riders would finish top 10 in MX2 is irrelevant to the consideration of how many riders line up.

You claim that those 20 are the best 20 mx2 riders. they simply arent. My point is that we can remove the slowest ~5 from mx2, add the 15 fastest from emx250 and you'd have a 30 rider field where the slowest would be better then the current '20 best'. And i believe that the 15 fastest from EMX250 have the speed that when they have a decent start and stay out of trouble they wont be lapped, so its not that we add a bunch of to slow guys. 

 

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With just 20 riders it's not a "grand" prix in my eyes.

ando wrote:

What’s the magic number?

mxxxeR1 wrote:
They need to change mxgp and mx2 from 40 to maximum of 30 ........fewer emx 250 races and lower the age limit to 19 in that...

They need to change mxgp and mx2 from 40 to maximum of 30 ........fewer emx 250 races and lower the age limit to 19 in that class........

dont forget the license costs. If you are an EMX250 rider and want to do a wildcard you have to buy an mx2 license, you can't ride with the EMX250 license. and the MX2 license is either ~550 euro for a one-off or ~ 1500 euro for the year. So a one-off is 850 euro (license+entry fee).


 

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I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

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rym wrote:
I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not...

I dont miss lappers. I miss depth of field. 

We have a couple of the "20th best mx2 riders" who always get lapped because they are not fast enough.

While at the same time there are a bunch in emx250 who if raced in mx2 wont get lapped or even fight for a top 10.

 

Elliot wrote:
I'm not sure what your point is?That some of the top 20 get lapped isn't an argument that we should have even more lappers.That some EMX...

I'm not sure what your point is?

That some of the top 20 get lapped isn't an argument that we should have even more lappers.

That some EMX riders would finish top 10 in MX2 is irrelevant to the consideration of how many riders line up.

rym wrote:
You claim that those 20 are the best 20 mx2 riders. they simply arent. My point is that we can remove the slowest ~5 from mx2...

You claim that those 20 are the best 20 mx2 riders. they simply arent. My point is that we can remove the slowest ~5 from mx2, add the 15 fastest from emx250 and you'd have a 30 rider field where the slowest would be better then the current '20 best'. And i believe that the 15 fastest from EMX250 have the speed that when they have a decent start and stay out of trouble they wont be lapped, so its not that we add a bunch of to slow guys. 

 

Do you suffer from dyslexia?

I appreciate that English might not be your first language but I didn't claim that those 20 are the best MX2 riders, only that they should be.

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ando wrote:

What’s the magic number?

mxxxeR1 wrote:
They need to change mxgp and mx2 from 40 to maximum of 30 ........fewer emx 250 races and lower the age limit to 19 in that...

They need to change mxgp and mx2 from 40 to maximum of 30 ........fewer emx 250 races and lower the age limit to 19 in that class........

rym wrote:
dont forget the license costs. If you are an EMX250 rider and want to do a wildcard you have to buy an mx2 license, you can't...

dont forget the license costs. If you are an EMX250 rider and want to do a wildcard you have to buy an mx2 license, you can't ride with the EMX250 license. and the MX2 license is either ~550 euro for a one-off or ~ 1500 euro for the year. So a one-off is 850 euro (license+entry fee).


 

Yeah .ridiculous ,they want to make money off everthing,,, they don't realize of they keep this up there will only  be 10 rider at the start in a few years

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I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

You must be smoking some strong stuff if you think Searle is getting a top 10 in MX2.

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Has there been any word on what’s breaking in Herling’s Honda?

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

Not a chance. The dire standard of UK mx right now, flatters anyone near the front of the British Championship races. Our top rider gets blown away on the rare occasions he rides a GP, and the rest are not world standard. We keep hearing about the "new crop" coming through but even the guy blitzing the 125 class is struggling to score points in EMX125. There's been a lot of hard work done to improve things lately but the sad truth is that the UK scene still exists in a bubble of self-delusion about the standard of riders.

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

You can't be serious about this.

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

You must be smoking some strong stuff if you think Searle is getting a top 10 in MX2.

Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago in France,,,, and searle is, in my opinion still about at their level......

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

DeStouwer wrote:

You can't be serious about this.

Yes ,I really think that... by the way  l edited that post about searle a bit and removed the word easy .....

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Has there been any word on what’s breaking in Herling’s Honda?

No word from him or Honda but if you look at the way he struggled to push his bike off the track, I reckon one of his wheels wasn't moving freely.

 

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

Not a chance. The dire standard of UK mx right now, flatters anyone near the front of the British Championship races. Our top rider gets blown...

Not a chance. The dire standard of UK mx right now, flatters anyone near the front of the British Championship races. Our top rider gets blown away on the rare occasions he rides a GP, and the rest are not world standard. We keep hearing about the "new crop" coming through but even the guy blitzing the 125 class is struggling to score points in EMX125. There's been a lot of hard work done to improve things lately but the sad truth is that the UK scene still exists in a bubble of self-delusion about the standard of riders.

You're absolutely right. And unfortunately, it's going to be a little while until we have another front runner. 

Be good to see Heyman get picked up to wildcard a few though. Mustoe had a respectable ride in Germany too.

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mxxxeR1 wrote:
I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough...

I think if you were to let vlogger Tommy searle start in mx2 right now, he could finish in the top 10 right now.....that says enough about the level in mx2 at the moment

You must be smoking some strong stuff if you think Searle is getting a top 10 in MX2.

mxxxeR1 wrote:
Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago...

Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago in France,,,, and searle is, in my opinion still about at their level......

Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while only riding at 90% to save themselves for the GPs. Meanwhile the UK riders are flat-out because their focus is on the championship, which ends up giving a false impression of how quick the UK riders are. Karsmakers and Doensen battle with UK riders when they're here, then are far ahead of them at a GP. They raise their game for the GPs.

How many times have riders like Watson and Mewse "given Herlings a good race" when he comes over, then are a minute down on him at a GP? The overseas riders are GP standard. Most of ours are not, which (as a long time UK MX fan) is pretty depressing.

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You must be smoking some strong stuff if you think Searle is getting a top 10 in MX2.

mxxxeR1 wrote:
Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago...

Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago in France,,,, and searle is, in my opinion still about at their level......

Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while...

Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while only riding at 90% to save themselves for the GPs. Meanwhile the UK riders are flat-out because their focus is on the championship, which ends up giving a false impression of how quick the UK riders are. Karsmakers and Doensen battle with UK riders when they're here, then are far ahead of them at a GP. They raise their game for the GPs.

How many times have riders like Watson and Mewse "given Herlings a good race" when he comes over, then are a minute down on him at a GP? The overseas riders are GP standard. Most of ours are not, which (as a long time UK MX fan) is pretty depressing.

I agree with you. Drew Stock is making everyone look stupid in the 125 class but in Europe he is nowhere. Billy Askew doing ok in EMX250 when he gets a good start. Why is Charlie Heyman, Charlie Hammond & Jamie Keith not doing any EMX250 rounds? You need to race in Europe to get noticed, no one is specifically looking at the British Championship for talent.

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Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago...

Kay karssemakers races in that english championship last year and doensen this year ... doensen scored plenty of points in the mx2 a few weeks ago in France,,,, and searle is, in my opinion still about at their level......

Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while...

Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while only riding at 90% to save themselves for the GPs. Meanwhile the UK riders are flat-out because their focus is on the championship, which ends up giving a false impression of how quick the UK riders are. Karsmakers and Doensen battle with UK riders when they're here, then are far ahead of them at a GP. They raise their game for the GPs.

How many times have riders like Watson and Mewse "given Herlings a good race" when he comes over, then are a minute down on him at a GP? The overseas riders are GP standard. Most of ours are not, which (as a long time UK MX fan) is pretty depressing.

I agree with you. Drew Stock is making everyone look stupid in the 125 class but in Europe he is nowhere. Billy Askew doing ok in...

I agree with you. Drew Stock is making everyone look stupid in the 125 class but in Europe he is nowhere. Billy Askew doing ok in EMX250 when he gets a good start. Why is Charlie Heyman, Charlie Hammond & Jamie Keith not doing any EMX250 rounds? You need to race in Europe to get noticed, no one is specifically looking at the British Championship for talent.

Money. 

 

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Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while...

Unfortunately the UK championship is seen as a bit of "race practice" where overseas riders come over, and are straight at the front of races while only riding at 90% to save themselves for the GPs. Meanwhile the UK riders are flat-out because their focus is on the championship, which ends up giving a false impression of how quick the UK riders are. Karsmakers and Doensen battle with UK riders when they're here, then are far ahead of them at a GP. They raise their game for the GPs.

How many times have riders like Watson and Mewse "given Herlings a good race" when he comes over, then are a minute down on him at a GP? The overseas riders are GP standard. Most of ours are not, which (as a long time UK MX fan) is pretty depressing.

I agree with you. Drew Stock is making everyone look stupid in the 125 class but in Europe he is nowhere. Billy Askew doing ok in...

I agree with you. Drew Stock is making everyone look stupid in the 125 class but in Europe he is nowhere. Billy Askew doing ok in EMX250 when he gets a good start. Why is Charlie Heyman, Charlie Hammond & Jamie Keith not doing any EMX250 rounds? You need to race in Europe to get noticed, no one is specifically looking at the British Championship for talent.

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Money. 

 

Pretty much yeah. 

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CPR wrote:

Has there been any word on what’s breaking in Herling’s Honda?

Elliot wrote:
No word from him or Honda but if you look at the way he struggled to push his bike off the track, I reckon one of...

No word from him or Honda but if you look at the way he struggled to push his bike off the track, I reckon one of his wheels wasn't moving freely.

 

I thought it looked like he was hitting the starter after stopping and no go.

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