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I don’t have dollars, but I do know Muddy Creek said it wasn’t profitable as a promoter for the risk that is taken. I’m sure they paid MX Sports a tidy sum.
The EZ-UP issue seems to be mostly/only a California thing. I recall the fight stories and videos over EZ-UPs along the track back in the GH days. I've been to Nationals all over the country and don't recall seeing the EZ-UP phenomenon anywhere but CA. I think most of the other ones specifically say "no EZ UPs" on the event flyers or tickets. I get it, Pala and Hangtown don't have shade within 100 miles, but the whole concept of tying your EZ-UP to the fence to claim real estate is ridiculous.
DC’s gotta eat, I guess…
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Dang, actual scaffolding? That’s truly f’ed up! Think about the time and effort it took to do all that bs.
Not exactly.
I know there is a $100k fee to MX Sports that goes to the $1m to Daytona Motorsports Group for the right to use “AMA Pro National”. This is the deal that DC and his sister (the wearer of the pants - she’s the gnarly one behind the scenes) put together to scoop the rights up for themselves while supposedly representing the track promoter group.
When I worked at Thunder Valley in 14-15, I vaguely recall Clabaugh made about $40k with a 15 or 20k turnout. Hard to know how the expenses are accounted for as it was about 2 months of prep and a lot of spending to get the place ready. It’s a shitload of work. There is a binder given by MX Sports saying what needs to be done, and it includes a review from the previous year. I remember photos of the medic road in certain areas that needed to be improved.
The national essentially pays for the facility upgrades and provides great marketing. Then money was made with local racing (and LLQ). Rent some porta potties, throw a few hot dogs at the flaggers, and count the cash.
I’ve heard A Mart mention Spring Creek cashes in on camping and amateur day. I believe he said something along the lines of “I don’t know how the promoters who don’t offer that make any money”. I also believe he said they make about a million on a national.
This is all quite loose, except the part about DC’s sister.
DMG is the real winner. $1m for doing absolutely nothing. 100k each round could be prize money…
Gas is $4.50 a gallon and a Big Mac meal is probably $17 Why am I not surprised to see $100 MX tickets?
I agree the prices are crazy, but at the same time, if it sold out then it's not too expensive.
PS: Ez-ups are also ez-downs.
I was going to take my family of 4 to Thunder-valley. Decided not to after seeing the prices. Not worth it.
The Coombs siblings are a net negative for the sport, prove me wrong
One tip I’ve been using that has been extremely helpful…check the local partner dealerships. They sell tickets too. Usually $5-10 off if you pay cash and don’t charge the additional fees either. So that $65 general admission Saturday adult ticket which comes out to ~$75 with all the extra fees, you only pay $55-60. Really adds up and lets you buy an overpriced shirt at the races.
It has always been a tradeoff between watching an event live on the tube (flat screen for you youngins) versus actually going to the event to fully experience the ground shake as 40 of the baddest MoFo's thunder past! I've only been to a few Pro Outdoor races (1 Trans-AMA, 1 125 MXGP, 2 Nationals). Scaffolds were always a thing, Hells Bells folks even had a Box Truck with a reinforced roof parked next to double tier scafolding along the fence at Mid Ohio one year! We all have disposable income (some have more than others) so its up to the individual to choose wisely. That's the beauty of a Free Market Society.
Enjoy it while we have it!
Joe
Dude you’re so right. The only thing that’s happened in the last 6 years are some simple currency shifts and adjustments.
People are just covering their bases, nothing more.
Net negative in that it still exists? If it isn't the Coombs family then it would be some other entity, that odds are good would be running into the ground.
Joe
It’s at budds creek too. I think they should be banned within 30feet of the fences honestly. An umbrella should be all the shade allowed near the fence .
It gets hot as hades at budds so I’ll concede and allow an umbrella but the ez ups block all the viewing for everyone else.
odd he brought up those accusations for no reason. now that you mention it, he got really triggered at me one time for pointing out that one of his colleagues had public photos of colleagues kid on his ig i dont remember the context tbh, but he was basically gaslighting me for supposedly publishing (by linking) a "private" photo that the dude himself had on his own public instagram. wrote me this long email and everything. over nothing. it was a very weird, boomerish grievance to have iirc, and im guessing some form of projection in there. think he mighta had 9uyb click me over it cant remember for sure
Used to be able to walk up to the ticket window at Anaheim and San Diego sx and get nose bleed tickets for 20 bucks, for years haha
Making Motocross Great Again. Costs for everything is way up. MX is still cheaper than going to NFL game.
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I haven't been to Budds in over 20 years, but back then there were no EZ-UPs.. but people were "claiming" and holding spots along the fence with their lawn chairs. Sad to hear the EZ Up disease spread.
Being condescending or sarcastic to someone with a different perspective, while providing no substantiated evidence of the contrary, doesn’t magically mean you are right about the subject at hand.
I’d be curious to see a P&L on the motocross series. Unfortunately, since none of this is run by a publicly traded company, the information isn’t going to be accessible. At least not to my knowledge.
Maybe you are privy to some information or statistics that I am not? If so, id really be interested to learn more about it. I don’t claim to be right about all of this and can openly admit that there could be some variables that I am not considering.
Otherwise, you and I are clearly going to just have differences of opinion on the matter. So we can just leave it at that.
Sold out already means they should charge more.
Time for DC to beat it. The grotesque pocket stuffing and conflict of interest of owning tracks that are on the schedule is ridiculous.
I can't imagine the cost of owning a track. The overhead with maintenance and insurance has to be outrageous. And people bitch about a $10 spectator fee.
Motocross is cheaper than another thing? That means nothing is wrong.
I was being sarcastic. Costs are up for everything, does that make sense to you? Gas costs for the tractors and water trucks etc? Not difficult to understand.
It’s $70 not $100. Pits are a waste of time and close at 12.
Going to an outdoor is way better than a SX. Thats the real shit
It is not greed to offer an option that sells out at every race. That is giving your customers something they want. Is it greed an IPA is more than a Budweiser or a Mercedes is more than a Honda? I guess that is greed too. Every sporting event has escalating ticket pricing for access, viewing, and luxury. You have the choice to stay home.
Friend sent me a pic of his view from this morning
I don’t understand why people do that.
I put a straw hat on, some sun block and bring water.
if DMG had run it themselves, it could have ended up as bad as AMA road racing or AMA flat track
where Pro motocross, amatuer motocross and GNCC are thriving under the Coombs family , which group do you want in leading it?
its a business, and they make money, but i dont see any other promotor doing it better than the Coombs family does,
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