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Complete stupidity. Pounds consist of ounces and if ounces don't matter then neither do pounds. With that mindset everyone should just ride their favorite Harley Bagger around the MX track.
Well then, they do it exactly how it should be done. 👍
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LMAO, you obviously don't like FACTS and are obviously in denial of them. Your comment has destroyed what little credibility you may have had before making your first laughable comment on this matter. FYI - 6 ounces weighs less than 6 pounds.
PS - I will bet you $1,000 in cash that you can't tell the difference in your current bike with a full pound added to it vs its stock weight.
If they lost all twelve pounds from the seat.
Most peeps in here should worry far more about their own weight, rather than the weight being 8-10lbs different in the bike.
Except fast experts and pros, for you local speedsters it wont make a shit of difference.
If you think so -
I raced SRAC in Colorado for 5 years - 78-83 -
78/79/80/81 there were 40 bikes on the line and all yellow pigs,
In 82 /83 we saw the RM begin it's thing and still no green bikes
Good thing you were the lightest.
81 - 86 was a big swing in moto tech too.
lighter isn't better , it's lighter.
IMO
There has been some back and forth on the weight (Kawi lists it as “overall machine weight”) which most likely will be wet weight. This is good news, since early speculation was 233.7 being dry weight. So if this is correct, it could put the dry weight at 223 lbs. or slightly less.
I really have absolutely no idea what all that info is for, but since you think that lighter isn't better, than why don't you add 50 pounds of lead to your bike? . I know for a fact that Jeff Ward and Ron Lechien were not complaining about their bikes being too light in 1986. Also, Jeff Fredette started racing a green bike in 1983, but I guess you didn't see that because you were at a different race.
That's what I was kind of hoping.. that the claimed 233.7 lb was the wet weight that way the bikes dry weight would be like you said around 223 lb without gas.. which would be incredibly incredibly light for a 327cc two stroke race bike..
Take off the electric start and efi it would probably be 220 wet. Seems most bikes gained 10-15 lbs with those additions.
Well, not sure if this means anything or not. As far as real weight goes, here is where my bike stands. Not many peeps have talked about Beta in this thread that I have seen.
I have a 2025 Beta 300RX converted to a Harescrambles bike. It has an 18" rear wheel, Nitromousse front and rear, EE aluminum skid plate, Cormoto grafix (which do add weight), IMS 3.2 gallon tank, acerbis hand guards and a few other offroad goodies.
I just popped it on the scale (while it was still a little muddy) with probably 3 gallons of fuel in it and the weight was 240.1lbs.
Not here to argue, just letting you know what mine weighs!
Now we should bring up unsprung weight verses sprung weight.
Just cut the half of the springs off thats unsprung weight. Itll lower cg too
This feels like a discussion that belongs on pinkbike not vital. Dirtbikes are heavy. The 327 is gonna be heavier than the ktms. That is the cost of technology, it adds weight. But the 327 is also 2500$ cheaper (in canada) than any of the ktm group bikes. Isn't the main criticism with modern bikes that they are too expensive for the every man? Cutting weight costs dollars and potentially reliability.
I will just continue to be happy that this bike exists. It is a positive development for the industry and everyone that loves dirtbikes.
I agree in that there's a whole package to consider when buying a bike like handling, power, weight, price, dealer support, durability, features, quality, etc. And I also realize that it seems like we're often splitting hairs often when comparing bike specs because they are all so good now. Everyone is very different, but for me a 10lb difference to nearly identical tech across bike brands is definitely something significant to consider for a new 2-stroke, even if people think I can't feel a difference on the track. If 10lbs doesn't matter to some of you guys, then where is your goal post for when weight does matter? 20lbs? 40lbs? One could argue you might not feel 20lbs on the track either, so does that mean all bikes should be 20lbs heavier then? Honda says no, and they have just thrown weight into the ring and will result in many heated discussions when comparing Japanese 4-strokes.
Pit Row
Go ride a Stark Varg then tell me weight is all that matters.
Most of us: “Ounces don’t matter.”
People whose livelihood depends upon race results and have budgets: “We need to make the bike lighter.”
Is it important right now?
That was the claimed weight and was without all fluids. No oil in forks, shock, transmission, etc. By the magazine tests it weighed in around 222 and a bit over 230 with gas.
Probably difference in scales, but seems like most reported wet weights for the 300sx are 230-232lbs, so the kawi is right there weight wise.
I mean 20 extra pounds would deter anyone. But I think for the majority of consumers who are hobbyist/weekend warriors, saving 2500$ up front for a 10 pound heavier bike would still be a win. I do understand where you are coming from, and maybe hondas new 450 will kick the other manufacturers to lose some weight.
The parallel to the mtb industry that I was attempting to draw is that bicycle weight is often the biggest selling point and people spend thousands of dollars on carbon this, carbon that to drop a few ounces, and then strap all their spare shit onto the bike frame and undue all the weight "savings". Evey average rider thinks they need a 26 pound carbon enduro bike and the ridiculous prices of the industry reflect that obsession. And then it swings back when things (frames) start breaking.
I am sure that all the manufacturers could find ample weight savings on their motocross and enduro/xc bikes, but that cost will go to the consumer, who would probably be just as fast, if not faster, on a heavy pig klx300r or something.
You two wouldn't be having this argument if you just switched to the far superior metric system like the rest of the world!
Glad I could help 😉
But how can I justify all this sweet ti and drilled fasteners ???
Why do you need to justify it?
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