Gross Negligence by FELD / AMA

stiksandstones wrote:

Question for the group; Brian Moreau...if I recall, his accident sparked similar outrage, I believe there were some that implied the SCI could have been avoided...

Question for the group; Brian Moreau...if I recall, his accident sparked similar outrage, I believe there were some that implied the SCI could have been avoided. How have things improved from that witch hunt?

CPR wrote:

Man that was bad! Not getting to Barcia in a timely manner is bad enough, but then the official moving him is disgraceful. I must say...

Man that was bad! Not getting to Barcia in a timely manner is bad enough, but then the official moving him is disgraceful. I must say I was glad to see Justin’s legs move though, even if it was an involuntary movement.

brocster wrote:

I was there. He was left un attended and not moving for a while when all hands were on Malcom, Barcia was just laying there like...

I was there. He was left un attended and not moving for a while when all hands were on Malcom, Barcia was just laying there like a wet rag. Fukn sad!!! 

731chopper wrote:

Well we all saw that and it looks terrible. My point was that we don’t know what was said between the medics or track crew down...

Well we all saw that and it looks terrible. My point was that we don’t know what was said between the medics or track crew down there. I get it that we’re all worried about Justin and emotions are running high but gross negligence is an extreme accusation. 

jg791 wrote:

Yep.I have personally sat in the crowd at an AMA-sanctioned amateur event and watched a child go down in a whoops section, followed by a failure...

Yep.

I have personally sat in the crowd at an AMA-sanctioned amateur event and watched a child go down in a whoops section, followed by a failure to flag because the flagger was on his phone. If a child had been hit in that scenario, is that an "acceptable risk" because they're "gladiators"? Why have flaggers and medics at all if they don't do their job the best they can? Is the military wrong if they train extensively to avoid causalities and mitigate injuries because "it's war bro"? Should pilots "YOLO that shit" because flying is dangerous?

F1, MotoGP, MotoAmerica, WSBK, NASCAR, IndyCar and others have all improved protocols over time due to tragedy. For some reason, in motocross, this triggers a bunch of people on the Internet. I feel horrible if the Zingg (RIP) family is having to read through the opinions of random Squidbillies moaning about their lawsuit.

The irony is, these same people are crying about the death of local tracks. Every person I've talked in real life who gives up motocross/GNCC/whatever leaves because of: injuries, or risk of injury. 99% of people who ride work a job on Monday and can't afford to have a $400,000 medical bill or be paralyzed for life. But, ya know, better medics and flaggers aren't fuckin' core bro. The bikes are faster, the tracks are harder and the riders are more competitive (how many of these kids train at a camp?) than ever before. "Gladiator rules" on top of that is not gonna attract more people, it's going to mean people ride a few times, quietly sell the bike on FB Marketplace and end up buying another stupid SxS in a sport that is already shrinking due to not being affordable for the average person.

I've ridden with a motorcycle org that was terribly run, had a ton of crashes and shut down due to lawsuits. A much better org came up in their place and is successful. I'm not saying I like lawsuits, but it can work out better.

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

Heres a cute one from Maxer:   

Heres a cute one from Maxer:   

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

 Most normal people would never send their children into the gladiator arena aka motocross. While moto parents gleefully do (as long as it's safe, according the...

 Most normal people would never send their children into the gladiator arena aka motocross. While moto parents gleefully do (as long as it's safe, according the lawsuit people). Wow, so responsible. I'll sign my kid up for the most dangerous sport available to man and demand that someone else make it safe, and if they fail in any way I'll sue them into oblivion. Sounds reasonable. Most normal people (people who don't willingly risk their own lives or the lives of their children for fun on a motorcycle) think we are absolute idiots for doing so. So for those who risk their kids life then suddenly be concerned with safety it's kind of hypocritical. My problem is the fact that so many parents willingly risk their kids life for years then are suddenly defenders of safety protocol when it comes time to sue... People who truly care about their kids safety have them compete in golf or tennis not motocross. 

The amount of hate mail I'm getting from the pro sue crowd is interesting today too. I am simply calling out the hypocrisy.... 

Flame on... 

stiksandstones wrote:

Question for the group; Brian Moreau...if I recall, his accident sparked similar outrage, I believe there were some that implied the SCI could have been avoided...

Question for the group; Brian Moreau...if I recall, his accident sparked similar outrage, I believe there were some that implied the SCI could have been avoided. How have things improved from that witch hunt?

MXMattii wrote:

FELD, Astar-crew and AMA are sued.

Dirtysmile56 wrote:

 Most normal people would never send their children into the gladiator arena aka motocross. While moto parents gleefully do (as long as it's safe, according the...

 Most normal people would never send their children into the gladiator arena aka motocross. While moto parents gleefully do (as long as it's safe, according the lawsuit people). Wow, so responsible. I'll sign my kid up for the most dangerous sport available to man and demand that someone else make it safe, and if they fail in any way I'll sue them into oblivion. Sounds reasonable. Most normal people (people who don't willingly risk their own lives or the lives of their children for fun on a motorcycle) think we are absolute idiots for doing so. So for those who risk their kids life then suddenly be concerned with safety it's kind of hypocritical. My problem is the fact that so many parents willingly risk their kids life for years then are suddenly defenders of safety protocol when it comes time to sue... People who truly care about their kids safety have them compete in golf or tennis not motocross. 

The amount of hate mail I'm getting from the pro sue crowd is interesting today too. I am simply calling out the hypocrisy.... 

Flame on... 

Jeremy Macduff wrote:

No one is happy about lawsuits in this sport, but if the poor demonstration we saw last night from those entrusted with ensuring the safety of...

No one is happy about lawsuits in this sport, but if the poor demonstration we saw last night from those entrusted with ensuring the safety of the sport’s top athletes doesn’t clearly distinguish between assumed risk and organizational responsibility, then I don’t see any point in continuing this argument.

maxer wrote:

I'm not coming after the sport dumbfuck I'm calling out the billion dollar promoters for having routine examples of giving piss poor medical attention to riders.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Not being at the event myself, I don’t know and haven’t seen any real mention about where the med crew actually was at the time of...

Not being at the event myself, I don’t know and haven’t seen any real mention about where the med crew actually was at the time of the accident. It seems like a lot of the criticism ignores that we have the luxury of hindsight, which the initial responders obviously didn’t have  

If they were or on the far side of the track or didn’t have a clear path to the crash location, that matters. They don’t just appear next to a downed rider. And if they’d gone to Barcia first, people would be mad that they waited to help Stewart. There’s probably no version of this where everyone is instantly attended to with the best qualified people on hand.  If the track workers who were close weren’t trained medical professionals, they may have made the injuries worse, not helped  

Add in that they can’t cross a hot track at will without endangering themselves and the 22 other racers, and the timeline may make a lot more sense.  Not ideal, but perhaps a little more understandable.

It’s easy to critique after the fact from the couch or even/especially the stands. It’s a little different in real time when you’re trying to triage and not create a second emergency.

MrMoto wrote:

I got dumber from reading your thoughts....  Go away moron.