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It was insane for sure . Back when EPO came on the scene in a more formalized way there was a team called Gewiss Ballan . I’m not sure of the exact year but would have been ‘93 ish.
Anyway, one of the early season classics ( Liege or Flèche can’t remember which) the ENTIRE team went to the head of the peloton and just rode off the front.
The most insane thing you’ve ever seen - an entire team , no attacking, no tactics, nothing just literally riding the entire peloton off their wheels.
About the same time we watched Frank Vandenbroucke during Flanders attack up a climb like he was on a motorcycle and then solo away . We all looked at each other and said “ no need to test that guy “ . Sure enough he got popped the next week.
All the guys I knew that were on EPO described it :- “ you can’t go hard enough to hurt yourself, it’s like having an unlimited amount of wattage and instant recovery” .
That is wild, makes me wonder what that actually feels like. Must feel like superman
I've spoken with Barcia about doping back in 2014, so it's a very old interview, but this is what he said back then.
LMAO DRINKING BLOOD😂😂 hahahaha I’m sure someone’s done it.
I’m already doing all of the rest of that so I may be peaking already. You did just sell me a chlorophyll supplement though so someone owes you commission ahah.
Thank you for the wildly interesting and informative responses
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No shit. Exactly what I think every time this comes up. Lol.
I did 1 bicycle race season in an altitude tent. The tent increased hematocrit by ~4%. It didn't change the feeling, I just noticed more people tapping out around me while I kept going.
I don't have first hand experience with the illegal stuff but people that raced with Lance told me the year he went from regular to super he was calling everyone pussies and complained that they weren't trying. Which seems to be similar with my experience, not feeling enhanced, it just seemed like everyone else was getting tired earlier.
I spent winter 2019 in the tent again but the 2020 season got cancelled.
I was in great shape, that summer I had a lot of fun riding my regular mtb with my friends on their e-bikes.
With no cycling races planned I started riding motocross again and at first I would get arm pump immediately! So boosting hematocrit isn't effective on it's own, you still have to put some work in.
You're asking good questions! I'm happy to share what I've learned, hopefully it cuts down on some of the noise and confusion that we have regarding Health and Food in our society and can benefit others as much as I've benefitted.
Drinking blood is a staple food of the Maasai and Tutsi peoples, probably many other cultures too.
Blood pudding used to be a popular westerner dish, but I suspect eating blood and organs fell out of favor as industrial farming degraded the health of livestock.
Here's something wildly interesting related to hormones!
Babies' hormones are influenced and/or created by the mothers' breast milk. For example, feeding milk from the morning to a baby at night will disrupt the baby's circadian rhythm and lead to poor sleep.
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Who isn't necessarily the fastest but always wins races in the latter stages, especially outdoors where endurance is the defining factor when skill level is so close. Who has a history of cheating. Who didnt race the nations due to a laughable excuse (a lie) but is now racing it in his home country where the same anti doping agency is used as his national series unlike WADA which operates at MXGP events.
Never believe everything you read and hear
USADA conforms to WADA. The MXDN is an FIM event. Labs for both have to meet the same certification requirements.
In theory, yes. How much testing actually gets done in moto?
Our national series doesn't use USADA anymore, they have their own program administered by an independent lab. I would assume MXoN is under WADA though?
It's a crap shoot.
MXoN is under WADA rules. It's an FIM event. Not sure they test there though?
Anyone going to mention both Moss brothers getting busted for SARMS (basically steroids)?
https://racerxonline.com/2017/12/19/ma-imposes-four-year-ban-on-matt-moss-for-positive-drug-test
I hadn't kept up, thank you. On the penalty side I think this is a good move. One of the issues with the WADA penalty regime is that it is the same for all sports regardless of the frequency of competition and the effect a suspension has. An athlete competing in the Olympics might recover a career in the context of a 4 year ban, but a 4 year ban effectively ends a career in MX.
Just skimming the new system it does seem like there could be more defined penalties even if scaled back from the rigid WADA system. It seems to essentially discretionary. But that's a quick read and may be wrong on that.
When I mentioned the masking the down votes were brutal. All my information comes from former national level racers I know, I wouldn't must make crap up. I was told gate drops on adderall is a whole other experience. Pretty much everyone has a TUE, the exception is those not using it.
using stuff well beyond epo now. thats old hat.
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That mx dr explained it in detail it’s virtually impossible to test positive if done correctly. Mx is like the 88 Olympics now.
Drinking blood - Ive never heard more bullshit in my life.
This does more harm than any good for a human. We not animals mate.
220 - less age is totally flawed. It came from limited data in the 1970's and not from a large scale scientific study.
It does not account for individual differences in the human population like genetics for example
Therefore it is miscalculated and your zones are incorrect which can lead to training incorrectly on both ends, easy and hard training.
Fitness level, sex, body size, and training history all influence this and some endurance athletes for example maintain a higher Max HR into the older years.
The reason are huge for this being flawed.
If you want to use a calculation use Tanaka (2001) and also Gellish (2007)
207-0.7 x Age
208-0.7 x Age
Simple ways to naturally increase is Iron supplementation, ViTB12 & folate and a simple process of just exercising and increasing blood volume in the body and this over time adapt with increased RBC mass.
EPO and Growth Hormone are all part of regulated sleep and when being well hydrated during this also increases, when dehydrated which lowers plasma volume and makes HCT appear higher, but correct TBC production depends largely on being hydrated.
Yes, Altitude exposure increases HCT but you will see changes after 14 days, HCT is not the only outcome for altitude, you looking at Haemoglobin mass, plasma volume to name a few which changes happen as said from day 14, however you need to be exposed at 2000m+. In some cases you won't see HCT increas but other parameters do.
The key point for EPO is recovery, if as an athlete you can recover quicker and also handle more stress load on the body, your adaptation to training is greater. Resulting in improved form and fitness.
I take Adderall and forgot to take my pill last weekend before the start, I couldn't tell much difference other than my thoughts wondered a bit more in the second hour.
Do you take it because you need it or because you want the performance enhancing benefits? I assume there’s a difference when using it as a performance enhancing drug verses taking because you actually need it.
I'm pretty sure humans are animals. 🤣
I have ADHD, it keeps my intrusive thoughts away. It also helps with focus, but keeping the random thoughts of driving my van off a bridge is why I take it. They've done studies on college age people and any performance increase if you don't need it for ADHD is matched by placebo. I'd think some of its side affects would not be ideal for racing professionally as well.
Excuse my ignorance on the subject but wondering if taking Testosterone would improve performance on the track ?
It is obvious when looking back to see when it entered MX/SX.
I don't know who he is either, but if "one" of the back rows at a local/regional level nothing hare scramble over half the guys admitting to some sort PED use with absolutely no money on the line. It would be foolish to think that when millions are on the line that some sort of PED use isn't happening.
I think Yes but It depends on the person and the area they are trying to improve.
The benefits are increased strength, muscle mass, reduced fat, quicker recovery.
Motocross is more dynamic than many activities.
Motocross requires strength, but the strongest guy doesn't always win.
There's a sweet spot where you need to be strong enough, but being even stronger doesn't help you become a better rider.
Too much muscle mass might actually be a detriment, notice how no pro racers look like body builders? Even the famed Tyler Evans looked small in comparison to the biggest guy at your local gym.
For younger MX riders I think the primary benefit of T would be faster injury recovery.
For older MX riders I think the benefits would be more energy overall, faster recovery, and better eye sight (eye muscles tend to get lazy as men age and T declines).
As with any hormone, there is a huge risk of disrupting your natural hormone cycles. Especially cancer, heart attack, mood swings, suicide risk, poor sleep, on and on. Seems like it's pretty easy for men over 50 to get prescribed T, so I'm confident there are members here using it.
There are non pharmaceutical ways to change your Testosterone, probably not as dramatic as the injections though.
I use "might" and "probably" because there are many differences between individuals so results vary.
-Alcohol, for women their Testosterone goes up after a few drinks, for men it goes down (whiskey dick).
-Tobacco and Caffeine, especially combined, increase T. If abused (used daily) it might actually make your T go down over time.
-Lifting heavy stuff and doing short intense workout will increase T. Endurance running/cycling can make it go down if you go "medium" the whole time. Going at a casual pace is great, interspersing high intensity is good, grinding 2+h at a Medium pace is possibly doing more harm than good for your T level.
-KAATSU / Blood flow restricting training, basically using a tourniquet to restrict blood flow to legs or arms while doing an easy work out. Simulates high intensity excercise with a quick and easy work out. Often used when injured to decrease recovery time. For example, KAATSU lifting 5lb dumbells (with your arms) can help with knee recovery due to the release of growth hormones.
Overall Endocrine/Hormonal Health:
-Eating whole animals (sardines, oysters, eggs, etc) and organ meats, especially testicles can increase T and endocrine health. (there are supplements so you don't have to eat balls, make sure the supplements don't contain fillers)
-Industrially grown foods and processed foods cause endocrine system disruption, soy is one in particular with a lot of studies linking to low testosterone. Most restaurant foods are prepared with seed oils (soybean, rapeseed/canola, cottonseed oil). You'll want to cook with saturated fats to maintain hormonal health. (Saturated fats are solids when not heated, Lard, Tallow, Butter, Ghee)
-Blue light after dark, the wave frequency of blue light (TV, Phone,blue lights on the outside of your camper) signals your body that the sun is rising and you need energy for the day. If you're seeing blue/white lights in the evening then your endocrine system is disrupted and your T will suffer.
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