Prado's Green Turtle...

6/13/2025 7:13am
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I mean.... if you could mail it in and make many millions over 3 years, who wouldn't take that deal? Who cares what people think. If...

I mean.... if you could mail it in and make many millions over 3 years, who wouldn't take that deal? Who cares what people think. If he retired after his contract expires, he would be walking away much more financially sound than most of us talking about it on this forum. I respect that mindset if that is the case.

I dont think he is doing what I said above, but let's be real. Being a pro MX racer is a grind like most of us will never experience. But I hope we get to see him bounce back to his GP form. Im a big fan of Prado, so no hate here. Im just trying to be objective.

You respect the mindset of mailing it in after you signed a contract for millions of dollars, when that money is coming from an entity that...

You respect the mindset of mailing it in after you signed a contract for millions of dollars, when that money is coming from an entity that thought you wanted to win a championship?

Wow. You do you, man. But wow. 

blaster99 wrote:
Yeah, I respect him throwing around his resume to make big bills in the states. I didn't say i think he is doing that. Read the fucking...

Yeah, I respect him throwing around his resume to make big bills in the states. 

I didn't say i think he is doing that. Read the fucking post. I genuinely think he is try to make the bike work. He simply isn't comfortable. 

Maybe I should just stay as a lurker on this forum. Some of you only want to fight. Im sure your significant other loves to be around you.. lol. 

I didn't say anything about what you "liked", I said exactly what YOU said. Clearly I read your post. That's why I quoted it?

You said you respect the mindset of mailing it in after throwing around his resume and signing a contract.

I wasn't and I'm not fighting lol, I'm calling out a pathetic compliment of a professional athlete giving half ass effort after signing a contract. Pretty simple. If that offends you so much maybe you should go back to lurking. It's a message board, kinda what we're all here for. 

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6/13/2025 7:50am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2025 7:52am

So with Prado now moving to and living at ClubMX full time for the next month or so, how much can they develop the bike there since the team’s based out of California? Do they just ship a bunch of stuff out there for time being or how does that work? It seems like if you were trying to develop a race bike you would want to be close to the headquarters with all the resources. I honestly don’t know the process at all. 

6/13/2025 9:04am

Okay, I've done a U-turn on my opinion on Prado's bike. Reed, Townley, JT, Osborne, Matthes, and others are all totally unconvinced that the bike is the issue. They know a million times more than me, so I'll take their word for it. 

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6/13/2025 9:59am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2025 10:03am
aees wrote:
I understood it that both he and Anderson went down.No one would be able to ride around something that isn't right. Chase had to get KYB...

I understood it that both he and Anderson went down.

No one would be able to ride around something that isn't right. Chase had to get KYB suspension. Tomac falls back to 7-8 if his rear isn't setup correctly. Jett just took a third because shock setting was off. AP took a fifth with setup in wrong direction from first moto as he called it. Hunter went to being over a minute behind when they went to the new bike last year. These guys has been on those bikes for years.

This "just ride through it its easy" is as Phil said on Mondays show, "for people up in the stand who have no fucking idea what they talk about".

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Chase never pulled off because of his WP suspension. Tomac finished 7-8, he didn't pull off. Jett took third, he didn't pull off. AP took fifth...

Chase never pulled off because of his WP suspension. Tomac finished 7-8, he didn't pull off. Jett took third, he didn't pull off. AP took fifth, he didn't pull off. Hunter finished his motos being over one minute behind.

If Prado doesn't like his bike that's fine and understandable but it's his job to figure it out, or not. 

He's going to find something that may or may not even make a difference on the bike but it will make him feel better mentally and he will start approaching the top 5. That would be a great goal for this year. If he has the right mentality and works with the team I have no question he will be battling for podiums next year.

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They where in championship runs. He is completely out of it. What's the point? You don't see chase on the track right now. Webb parted early...

They where in championship runs. He is completely out of it. What's the point? You don't see chase on the track right now. Webb parted early. It's not like there is any prestige in staying if it ain't working.

And we don't know yet if he pulled off or not, do we.

I rather see him pull out and go work on the bike than to waste thursday-sunday trying to get a fifth on a bike they have work on. But kawi would never allow that.

And it's still early, all the other riders had several seasons on their bikes. I would not be surprised to see him make a jump coming weeks if they get things in the right direction.

Wait.

...So Prado can't just ride the bike at the level privateers do because he is a championship competitor and that takes a different level of bike, but he also doesn't need to tough out riding the bike unlike previous championship competitors, because he is already completely out of the Championship ?

This is a very confusing scenario.

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6/13/2025 10:22am
GrapeApe wrote:
Chase never pulled off because of his WP suspension. Tomac finished 7-8, he didn't pull off. Jett took third, he didn't pull off. AP took fifth...

Chase never pulled off because of his WP suspension. Tomac finished 7-8, he didn't pull off. Jett took third, he didn't pull off. AP took fifth, he didn't pull off. Hunter finished his motos being over one minute behind.

If Prado doesn't like his bike that's fine and understandable but it's his job to figure it out, or not. 

He's going to find something that may or may not even make a difference on the bike but it will make him feel better mentally and he will start approaching the top 5. That would be a great goal for this year. If he has the right mentality and works with the team I have no question he will be battling for podiums next year.

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They where in championship runs. He is completely out of it. What's the point? You don't see chase on the track right now. Webb parted early...

They where in championship runs. He is completely out of it. What's the point? You don't see chase on the track right now. Webb parted early. It's not like there is any prestige in staying if it ain't working.

And we don't know yet if he pulled off or not, do we.

I rather see him pull out and go work on the bike than to waste thursday-sunday trying to get a fifth on a bike they have work on. But kawi would never allow that.

And it's still early, all the other riders had several seasons on their bikes. I would not be surprised to see him make a jump coming weeks if they get things in the right direction.

Wait....So Prado can't just ride the bike at the level privateers do because he is a championship competitor and that takes a different level of bike...

Wait.

...So Prado can't just ride the bike at the level privateers do because he is a championship competitor and that takes a different level of bike, but he also doesn't need to tough out riding the bike unlike previous championship competitors, because he is already completely out of the Championship ?

This is a very confusing scenario.

It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since he would anyway need it fixed for next year.

Wasting thu-sun when you already out of the championship? That mean you have 3 days to test on instead of 7. Skip a round, work on the bike and go back when you feel you are closer.

What's so hard to understand?

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6/13/2025 10:40am
aees wrote:
It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since...

It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since he would anyway need it fixed for next year.

Wasting thu-sun when you already out of the championship? That mean you have 3 days to test on instead of 7. Skip a round, work on the bike and go back when you feel you are closer.

What's so hard to understand?

I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt bikes.

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6/13/2025 10:46am

I really doubt the bike is slow, not at that level.  Still, once you have that in your head it's hard to get rid of.  My guess that once his contract is up, he'll move back to KTM or maybe Yamaha as both are known as powerhouses and will do the little things necessary to give the rider the package he wants.  

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6/13/2025 10:54am
I really doubt the bike is slow, not at that level.  Still, once you have that in your head it's hard to get rid of.  My...

I really doubt the bike is slow, not at that level.  Still, once you have that in your head it's hard to get rid of.  My guess that once his contract is up, he'll move back to KTM or maybe Yamaha as both are known as powerhouses and will do the little things necessary to give the rider the package he wants.  

KTM is still asking most of their riders to run stock-based forks.

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6/13/2025 10:58am
I really doubt the bike is slow, not at that level.  Still, once you have that in your head it's hard to get rid of.  My...

I really doubt the bike is slow, not at that level.  Still, once you have that in your head it's hard to get rid of.  My guess that once his contract is up, he'll move back to KTM or maybe Yamaha as both are known as powerhouses and will do the little things necessary to give the rider the package he wants.  

KTM is still asking most of their riders to run stock-based forks.

Yeah, that seems to be one thing they are pretty stubborn about although we've heard of cases of WP being run with KYB internals in the past.  Prado has already dealt with WP so probably not an issue.

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6/13/2025 11:15am
aees wrote:
It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since...

It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since he would anyway need it fixed for next year.

Wasting thu-sun when you already out of the championship? That mean you have 3 days to test on instead of 7. Skip a round, work on the bike and go back when you feel you are closer.

What's so hard to understand?

I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt...

I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt bikes.

You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. 

He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4 days, with a maximum of 4 opportunities to change things in limited time between sessions.

Vs being able to ride, test ride, test for 4 days extra 3-5h a day with unlimited changes being made in between with no time to follow.

What's really so hard to understand? He ain't going to linearly improve by just riding.

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6/13/2025 11:21am
aees wrote:
It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since...

It's not a option to go to a different bike setup and try and get 3-5. That ain't why he is here. Waste of time since he would anyway need it fixed for next year.

Wasting thu-sun when you already out of the championship? That mean you have 3 days to test on instead of 7. Skip a round, work on the bike and go back when you feel you are closer.

What's so hard to understand?

I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt...

I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt bikes.

aees wrote:
You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4...

You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. 

He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4 days, with a maximum of 4 opportunities to change things in limited time between sessions.

Vs being able to ride, test ride, test for 4 days extra 3-5h a day with unlimited changes being made in between with no time to follow.

What's really so hard to understand? He ain't going to linearly improve by just riding.

How do you beat the guy 5 spots ahead without first beating the guy directly ahead of you?

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6/13/2025 11:45am
I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt...

I guess the big part I'm missing is the part where he rides a dirt bike and tries to be faster than other people riding dirt bikes.

aees wrote:
You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4...

You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. 

He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4 days, with a maximum of 4 opportunities to change things in limited time between sessions.

Vs being able to ride, test ride, test for 4 days extra 3-5h a day with unlimited changes being made in between with no time to follow.

What's really so hard to understand? He ain't going to linearly improve by just riding.

How do you beat the guy 5 spots ahead without first beating the guy directly ahead of you?

Seriously?

You think he needs to go rider by rider? Like this weekend beat one, next week next rider until he reaches first? 😂

Once bike is sorted, he will make the jump and then can start fine tune stuff to be at the top. Jesus Christ.

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6/13/2025 11:47am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2025 12:00pm
aees wrote:
You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4...

You know how a race weekend works, right? Travel on Thursday, press day Friday, racing Saturday, travel Sunday. 

He gets to ride his bike 2h in 4 days, with a maximum of 4 opportunities to change things in limited time between sessions.

Vs being able to ride, test ride, test for 4 days extra 3-5h a day with unlimited changes being made in between with no time to follow.

What's really so hard to understand? He ain't going to linearly improve by just riding.

How do you beat the guy 5 spots ahead without first beating the guy directly ahead of you?

aees wrote:
Seriously?You think he needs to go rider by rider? Like this weekend beat one, next week next rider until he reaches first? 😂Once bike is sorted...

Seriously?

You think he needs to go rider by rider? Like this weekend beat one, next week next rider until he reaches first? 😂

Once bike is sorted, he will make the jump and then can start fine tune stuff to be at the top. Jesus Christ.

Probably should beat another rider, then right? I mean, that's what everyone else out there does. Oddly, it occurs, week after week.

We even track it on a piece of paper, count who beat who the most times, and give them all trophies accordingly.

It is appreciably weirder to think your next testing session will give you 5 positions than one.

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6/13/2025 12:17pm

It's not the bike, at least not more than 10%...  No way a multi time GP champ can't take a factory race bike to the top 5 in AMA.  There's something else going on, as referenced by all of the insiders.  I'm a big Prado fan from back in '18 when my wife and I sat with the Spain contingent at Red Bud MXoN in the Thor grandstands cheering for JP.  I can still hear the constant Ado Ado Ado ringing in my ears...  He needs to figure it out.

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6/13/2025 6:28pm

Yet another thread making excuses for Prado?

Maybe he doesn't win the championship because of the bIke. But, being outside of the top 5 is inexcusable. 

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6/13/2025 6:34pm
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Nobody actually listened to the podcast? BT knows "for a fact" that Eli left Kawi due to Kawi not being able to provide what he wants/needed...

Nobody actually listened to the podcast? BT knows "for a fact" that Eli left Kawi due to Kawi not being able to provide what he wants/needed from the bike. He also mentioned that Prado prepared Kawi for wanting the absolute fastest package they could make. I think BT and JT have a lot more inside information than we have from behind our keyboards. I can't find where and when he said it but even Herlings mentioned Prado's engine would get him killed if he tried riding with it. Prado's whole riding style, comfort and confidence comes from having the fastest bike possible. He's the best starter in the world and multitime world champion and no midpack slouch. This bike isn't what he expected and was promised when he signed the contract.  

Looks like Jett is the best starter in the world

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6/13/2025 11:55pm
franshals wrote:
Nobody actually listened to the podcast? BT knows "for a fact" that Eli left Kawi due to Kawi not being able to provide what he wants/needed...

Nobody actually listened to the podcast? BT knows "for a fact" that Eli left Kawi due to Kawi not being able to provide what he wants/needed from the bike. He also mentioned that Prado prepared Kawi for wanting the absolute fastest package they could make. I think BT and JT have a lot more inside information than we have from behind our keyboards. I can't find where and when he said it but even Herlings mentioned Prado's engine would get him killed if he tried riding with it. Prado's whole riding style, comfort and confidence comes from having the fastest bike possible. He's the best starter in the world and multitime world champion and no midpack slouch. This bike isn't what he expected and was promised when he signed the contract.  

Looks like Jett is the best starter in the world

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6/14/2025 6:09am

Oh snap!  Turtle now the rabbit?!

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Oh snap!  Turtle now the rabbit?!

Don’t think so…. 2 segments not recorded.  But we’ll see what Q2 looks like.

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6/14/2025 8:57am

Brock Tickle was on Gypsy and said Prado is happy with the power now and that their just working on the suspension...

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6/14/2025 8:59am

From blue pig to green turtle is some crazy work.. What are we getting next, orange sloth?

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6/14/2025 9:35am
You respect the mindset of mailing it in after you signed a contract for millions of dollars, when that money is coming from an entity that...

You respect the mindset of mailing it in after you signed a contract for millions of dollars, when that money is coming from an entity that thought you wanted to win a championship?

Wow. You do you, man. But wow. 

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Yeah, I respect him throwing around his resume to make big bills in the states. I didn't say i think he is doing that. Read the fucking...

Yeah, I respect him throwing around his resume to make big bills in the states. 

I didn't say i think he is doing that. Read the fucking post. I genuinely think he is try to make the bike work. He simply isn't comfortable. 

Maybe I should just stay as a lurker on this forum. Some of you only want to fight. Im sure your significant other loves to be around you.. lol. 

I didn't say anything about what you "liked", I said exactly what YOU said. Clearly I read your post. That's why I quoted it?You said you...

I didn't say anything about what you "liked", I said exactly what YOU said. Clearly I read your post. That's why I quoted it?

You said you respect the mindset of mailing it in after throwing around his resume and signing a contract.

I wasn't and I'm not fighting lol, I'm calling out a pathetic compliment of a professional athlete giving half ass effort after signing a contract. Pretty simple. If that offends you so much maybe you should go back to lurking. It's a message board, kinda what we're all here for. 

Typically, People who think every difference of opinion is an argument, arent great communicators.

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6/14/2025 11:34am

Anderson's green turtle is smoking him this moto

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6/14/2025 11:42am

I’ve seen Prado at numerous GP’s, insane talent and speed. Watching him on this Kawasaki looks like a totally different rider.

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6/14/2025 11:44am Edited Date/Time 6/14/2025 11:51am

Paturel’s bike must be way faster than Jorge’s, since he reeled him in from way back. 🤦🏻‍♂️

I don’t know what Jorge’s real issue is, but it ain’t the bike.  If it is, he needs to figure out what he needs to get comfy because 2026 SX ain’t going to be any easier.

On a relatively hard packed east coast track, he got a good start and dropped the anchor.  The Prado panic button has to be smashed at this point.

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6/14/2025 11:58am

Was he dragging an anchor ?

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6/14/2025 12:04pm

So Anderson beat him by 40 seconds, and Prado only finishes 10 seconds ahead of the first privateer on a Kawasaki? It is not the bike

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6/14/2025 12:06pm
Paturel’s bike must be way faster than Jorge’s, since he reeled him in from way back. 🤦🏻‍♂️I don’t know what Jorge’s real issue is, but it...

Paturel’s bike must be way faster than Jorge’s, since he reeled him in from way back. 🤦🏻‍♂️

I don’t know what Jorge’s real issue is, but it ain’t the bike.  If it is, he needs to figure out what he needs to get comfy because 2026 SX ain’t going to be any easier.

On a relatively hard packed east coast track, he got a good start and dropped the anchor.  The Prado panic button has to be smashed at this point.

He's not even trying. He pushed for a bit early in the race when he passed Webb. Then had two good laps. Then dropped by 4 seconds a lap. There's no way that's bike related or fitness related. He must have made a mistake and decided to just mail it in.

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6/14/2025 12:08pm

He just seems to pump up really bad, he rides pretty good for a few laps then drops anchor, I think he is hiding an injury and/ or gets major arm pump and drops. Hoping he gets whatever it is figured out. 

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