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Unskilled manufacturing jobs that created our economic boom for decades post WW2 are never coming back. Anyone who campaigns for it is simply paying lip service...

Unskilled manufacturing jobs that created our economic boom for decades post WW2 are never coming back. Anyone who campaigns for it is simply paying lip service for votes to those people who reminisce about that era.

Zacka 161 wrote:
Yeah it’s not… and people blame unions, which is completely true, it’s unions fault.  Unions demanded safe work conditions, good wages, holidays, overtime, not working 14...

Yeah it’s not… and people blame unions, which is completely true, it’s unions fault.  Unions demanded safe work conditions, good wages, holidays, overtime, not working 14 year olds etc etc etc… and the industrials said fuck that we will do what we want to do to Americans to people in the third world… 


But since Reagan, the right wing dorks have systematically attacked unions, defunded the government, privatized fucking everything and now it’s all in place for Trump to literally take America back to the time of the robber barrons, and 12 years olds working, and dying, in sweatshops…


And right wing dorks cheer him on…

Radical wrote:
All of the positive things you mention here that unions did are great, but those issues have been resolved long ago.The problem now is that many...

All of the positive things you mention here that unions did are great, but those issues have been resolved long ago.

The problem now is that many unions have become too greedy, and that's a problem.

We have witnessed the largest transfer of wealth from the working class to the mega rich in history… 


And you you fell the unions these people fight against are the greedy ones… 


I’m really the worm in your brain might go hungry from having nothing left to eat. #prayforyaworm

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Tim507 wrote:
  Correct — all the current turbulence (tariffs, policy shifts, uncertainty) is actually part of a greater unfolding.Rather than random chaos, it is deliberate disturbance to weaken...

 

 Correct — all the current turbulence (tariffs, policy shifts, uncertainty) is actually part of a greater unfolding.
Rather than random chaos, it is deliberate disturbance to weaken the old system and allow new structures to emerge.

 BRICS is gaining strength quietly because of this shift, forming the base for a more sovereign, asset-backed global trade system — very much aligned with the bigger restoration plan.

 Change often brings discomfort, especially for those tightly attached to the old frequency.
But for those tuned to the higher flow, it is simply the natural resonance of new creation breaking through.

 

RichieW13 wrote:

If the plan was part of such a greater unfolding, why did Trump postpone much of it 2 days later when the market panicked?

Tim507 wrote:
I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs...

I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs trust in that the future will be less of fear and CABAL maniuplation and more of the manifesting of what each of us truly wants - FREEDOM from financial enslavement.

I can’t keep track who’s winning the cabal or the people?

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Unskilled manufacturing jobs that created our economic boom for decades post WW2 are never coming back. Anyone who campaigns for it is simply paying lip service...

Unskilled manufacturing jobs that created our economic boom for decades post WW2 are never coming back. Anyone who campaigns for it is simply paying lip service for votes to those people who reminisce about that era.

Zacka 161 wrote:
Yeah it’s not… and people blame unions, which is completely true, it’s unions fault.  Unions demanded safe work conditions, good wages, holidays, overtime, not working 14...

Yeah it’s not… and people blame unions, which is completely true, it’s unions fault.  Unions demanded safe work conditions, good wages, holidays, overtime, not working 14 year olds etc etc etc… and the industrials said fuck that we will do what we want to do to Americans to people in the third world… 


But since Reagan, the right wing dorks have systematically attacked unions, defunded the government, privatized fucking everything and now it’s all in place for Trump to literally take America back to the time of the robber barrons, and 12 years olds working, and dying, in sweatshops…


And right wing dorks cheer him on…

Radical wrote:
All of the positive things you mention here that unions did are great, but those issues have been resolved long ago.The problem now is that many...

All of the positive things you mention here that unions did are great, but those issues have been resolved long ago.

The problem now is that many unions have become too greedy, and that's a problem.

What do you mean the union is greedy?  It's asking for too many benefits for its members?  

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It's not the workers who are union being greedy, it's the union leaders.Just like the teacher's union. They are flush with cash but teachers aren't raking...

It's not the workers who are union being greedy, it's the union leaders.

Just like the teacher's union. They are flush with cash but teachers aren't raking in the dough, the union leaders are.

Which teacher's union leaders are raking in the dough?

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Big Donnie is too occupied with the tariffs and has left the clock running on his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24hrs.

how is this moto related?

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Big Donnie is too occupied with the tariffs and has left the clock running on his promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24hrs.
nate 415 wrote:

how is this moto related?

The tariffs will increase the price of riding for all of us here in the states, no matter how people want to sugar coat it for being of the greater good.

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RichieW13 wrote:

If the plan was part of such a greater unfolding, why did Trump postpone much of it 2 days later when the market panicked?

Tim507 wrote:
I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs...

I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs trust in that the future will be less of fear and CABAL maniuplation and more of the manifesting of what each of us truly wants - FREEDOM from financial enslavement.

soggy wrote:

I can’t keep track who’s winning the cabal or the people?

The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The shift isn’t about control or systems like socialism. It’s about collective coherence — a unity born of conscious individuals choosing freedom, truth, and heart-based creation. That’s how we dissolve the old. The Cabal divides us my promoting division!!

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Tim507 wrote:
I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs...

I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs trust in that the future will be less of fear and CABAL maniuplation and more of the manifesting of what each of us truly wants - FREEDOM from financial enslavement.

soggy wrote:

I can’t keep track who’s winning the cabal or the people?

Tim507 wrote:
The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The...

The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The shift isn’t about control or systems like socialism. It’s about collective coherence — a unity born of conscious individuals choosing freedom, truth, and heart-based creation. That’s how we dissolve the old. The Cabal divides us my promoting division!!

Tim…staying on the positive while stating on the positive. Damn. That’s solid. Someone I’d like to have a beer with, someday…

Well, the time has come to ask the question stated by others: how is this “Mostly Politicos Arguing” thread Moto…in the slightest?

Oh, and about those Politicos, we get it…some of you will do anything snd go anywhere to show us how informed or up to date on “The Intricacies of World Trade” you are…all the while…those of us actually importing and exporting as part of our daily lives and livelihoods are kinda…well…we’re shaking our heads at most of you that’re just complaining or whining or scared that your beloved CCP made goods are gonna cost you more…as you continue to promote funding for….the CCP. So…with that…it must be said…again…

This ain’t very “Moto”.

It’s run it’s course and it sure as hell ain’t bringing us together around our sheared passion…

Moto. 

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China and the democrats are counting on anti TRUMP Americans to undermine TRUMP. 

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jaybasher wrote:

China and the democrats are counting on anti TRUMP Americans to undermine TRUMP. 

He's doing a good job of undermining himself so far.

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4/30/2025 1:18pm
soggy wrote:

I can’t keep track who’s winning the cabal or the people?

Tim507 wrote:
The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The...

The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The shift isn’t about control or systems like socialism. It’s about collective coherence — a unity born of conscious individuals choosing freedom, truth, and heart-based creation. That’s how we dissolve the old. The Cabal divides us my promoting division!!

TeamGreen wrote:
Tim…staying on the positive while stating on the positive. Damn. That’s solid. Someone I’d like to have a beer with, someday…Well, the time has come to...

Tim…staying on the positive while stating on the positive. Damn. That’s solid. Someone I’d like to have a beer with, someday…

Well, the time has come to ask the question stated by others: how is this “Mostly Politicos Arguing” thread Moto…in the slightest?

Oh, and about those Politicos, we get it…some of you will do anything snd go anywhere to show us how informed or up to date on “The Intricacies of World Trade” you are…all the while…those of us actually importing and exporting as part of our daily lives and livelihoods are kinda…well…we’re shaking our heads at most of you that’re just complaining or whining or scared that your beloved CCP made goods are gonna cost you more…as you continue to promote funding for….the CCP. So…with that…it must be said…again…

This ain’t very “Moto”.

It’s run it’s course and it sure as hell ain’t bringing us together around our sheared passion…

Moto. 

This is 100% moto; the economic headwinds will most certainly have an unfavorable impact on our sport.  Don’t you think R&D, sensitive supply chains, electronics, raw materials, payrolls, insurance rates, etc., etc., etc., will be impacted?  If the answer is yes then it impacts moto.

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4/30/2025 2:13pm
jaybasher wrote:

China and the democrats are counting on anti TRUMP Americans to undermine TRUMP. 

RichieW13 wrote:

He's doing a good job of undermining himself so far.

Big Donnie on Truth Social

Jan 29 2025 "THIS IS THE TRUMP STOCK MARKET BECASUE MY POLLS AGAINST BIDEN ARE SO GOOD INVESTORS ARE PROJECTING THAT I WILL WIN AND THAT WILL DRIVE THE MARKET UP."

Apr 30 2025 "THIS IS BIDENS STOCK MARKET NOT TRUMPS. I DIDN'T TAKE OVER TILL JANUARY 20TH. TARIFFS WILL SOON START KICKING IN AND COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO MOVE INTO THE USA IN REOCRD NUMBERS. OUR COUNTRY WILL BOOM BUT WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE BIDEN OVERHANG."

I typed this slow for the Trump nuthuggers as I know you can't read fast.

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4/30/2025 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 4/30/2025 3:06pm
Tim507 wrote:
The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The...

The people are winning — but it’s not obvious unless you’re watching the undercurrents. True power lies with us when we awaken to our sovereignty. The shift isn’t about control or systems like socialism. It’s about collective coherence — a unity born of conscious individuals choosing freedom, truth, and heart-based creation. That’s how we dissolve the old. The Cabal divides us my promoting division!!

TeamGreen wrote:
Tim…staying on the positive while stating on the positive. Damn. That’s solid. Someone I’d like to have a beer with, someday…Well, the time has come to...

Tim…staying on the positive while stating on the positive. Damn. That’s solid. Someone I’d like to have a beer with, someday…

Well, the time has come to ask the question stated by others: how is this “Mostly Politicos Arguing” thread Moto…in the slightest?

Oh, and about those Politicos, we get it…some of you will do anything snd go anywhere to show us how informed or up to date on “The Intricacies of World Trade” you are…all the while…those of us actually importing and exporting as part of our daily lives and livelihoods are kinda…well…we’re shaking our heads at most of you that’re just complaining or whining or scared that your beloved CCP made goods are gonna cost you more…as you continue to promote funding for….the CCP. So…with that…it must be said…again…

This ain’t very “Moto”.

It’s run it’s course and it sure as hell ain’t bringing us together around our sheared passion…

Moto. 

This is 100% moto; the economic headwinds will most certainly have an unfavorable impact on our sport.  Don’t you think R&D, sensitive supply chains, electronics, raw...

This is 100% moto; the economic headwinds will most certainly have an unfavorable impact on our sport.  Don’t you think R&D, sensitive supply chains, electronics, raw materials, payrolls, insurance rates, etc., etc., etc., will be impacted?  If the answer is yes then it impacts moto.

I aggree with both of you on this. That it is moto, and that people are going a little too far into just slamming Trump on other stuff. 

 

Right now, Chinese companies make the BEST action cameras. The best consumer level drones for filming.  A new sponsor of Supercross is a Chinese company Insta360.Their cameras are so far ahead of Gopro right now its not even close. And priced similarly in some cases, MORE expensive in others. Their software and hardware blows GoPro away. 

DJI has amazing drone, cameras and mics, video transmission hardware. Some amazing stuff and some of the best in each segment. 

 

GoPro is a US based company so US designed and made in China or Mexico depending on where You live. 

 

Since getting an insta360 camera, I have used my GoPro less and less, Chinese stuff is not just cheap crap. Honda generators have been made from a lot of Chinese made parts for a longtime now. 

 

TLD, Alpinestars, 6D, Fox, a lot of Bell, I'm sure I'm missing some others. These are high quality helmets that are made in China. Amazing fit and finish on par or better than any MX helmets available now. Yes, they are engineered in the US, but they will be impacted by the tariffs for at least a couple years. Keep in mind that the 2026 stuff is already in production and or on boats on the way for many brands. And contracts for 2027 and beyond are likely in place. As long as there are tariffs on Chinese made goods, the cost of riding is likely to increase. And its not just cheap plastic crap unfortunately.  

 

 I'm sure there are some other areas that some Chinese companies are just making better products, but those are 2 that I deal with all the time, and I'm disappointed that there will most likely be a large price increase.   

 

 *Edited for spelling errors

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jaybasher wrote:

China and the democrats are counting on anti TRUMP Americans to undermine TRUMP. 

RichieW13 wrote:

He's doing a good job of undermining himself so far.

Big Donnie on Truth SocialJan 29 2025 "THIS IS THE TRUMP STOCK MARKET BECASUE MY POLLS AGAINST BIDEN ARE SO GOOD INVESTORS ARE PROJECTING THAT I...

Big Donnie on Truth Social

Jan 29 2025 "THIS IS THE TRUMP STOCK MARKET BECASUE MY POLLS AGAINST BIDEN ARE SO GOOD INVESTORS ARE PROJECTING THAT I WILL WIN AND THAT WILL DRIVE THE MARKET UP."

Apr 30 2025 "THIS IS BIDENS STOCK MARKET NOT TRUMPS. I DIDN'T TAKE OVER TILL JANUARY 20TH. TARIFFS WILL SOON START KICKING IN AND COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO MOVE INTO THE USA IN REOCRD NUMBERS. OUR COUNTRY WILL BOOM BUT WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE BIDEN OVERHANG."

I typed this slow for the Trump nuthuggers as I know you can't read fast.

"Trump nuthuggers", now thats hitting below the belt(LOL), 'Kamala camel toe hanger'.

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RichieW13 wrote:

He's doing a good job of undermining himself so far.

Big Donnie on Truth SocialJan 29 2025 "THIS IS THE TRUMP STOCK MARKET BECASUE MY POLLS AGAINST BIDEN ARE SO GOOD INVESTORS ARE PROJECTING THAT I...

Big Donnie on Truth Social

Jan 29 2025 "THIS IS THE TRUMP STOCK MARKET BECASUE MY POLLS AGAINST BIDEN ARE SO GOOD INVESTORS ARE PROJECTING THAT I WILL WIN AND THAT WILL DRIVE THE MARKET UP."

Apr 30 2025 "THIS IS BIDENS STOCK MARKET NOT TRUMPS. I DIDN'T TAKE OVER TILL JANUARY 20TH. TARIFFS WILL SOON START KICKING IN AND COMPANIES ARE STARTING TO MOVE INTO THE USA IN REOCRD NUMBERS. OUR COUNTRY WILL BOOM BUT WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE BIDEN OVERHANG."

I typed this slow for the Trump nuthuggers as I know you can't read fast.

jaybasher wrote:

"Trump nuthuggers", now thats hitting below the belt(LOL), 'Kamala camel toe hanger'.

That can be his next product line. The Trump Nuthugger compression shorts.  If I had more time I would throw together an ad for it too, I can see it now. Gold chrome spandex that has a special pouch that provides extra hugging. But funny to imagine.

 

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Trust me, Trump doesn't give a crap about motocross and I don't care,I'm still  a Trump guy.   If you can't afford the sport try tiddely winks.  Safer and far cheaper!!!!!!

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From Bush spying on Americans to DOGE creating a surveillance state… 


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/opinion/musk-doge-data-ai.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


Even if you ignore the republicans repeated incompetence on economics, education, health and infrastructure… surely their big brother surveillance tactics and anti freedom book banning, arresting judges, locking people up without due process surely just on social, cultural and constitutional reasons you can’t support this party…


If you ignore the failure on every single other issue. 


TBH democrats shifted so far right they have becomes classic neoliberal republicans (but with tacit trans support), republicans have become far right and America needs dump their destructive asses — a third party needs to fully emerge to replace the democrats stated but unfulfilled labor, science and freedom focussed agenda…   FUCK THE OLIGARCHIES!!  And shame on the brainwashed public for supporting them… 

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Zacka 161 wrote:
From Bush spying on Americans to DOGE creating a surveillance state… https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/opinion/musk-doge-data-ai.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShareEven if you ignore the republicans repeated incompetence on economics, education, health and infrastructure...

From Bush spying on Americans to DOGE creating a surveillance state… 


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/30/opinion/musk-doge-data-ai.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


Even if you ignore the republicans repeated incompetence on economics, education, health and infrastructure… surely their big brother surveillance tactics and anti freedom book banning, arresting judges, locking people up without due process surely just on social, cultural and constitutional reasons you can’t support this party…


If you ignore the failure on every single other issue. 


TBH democrats shifted so far right they have becomes classic neoliberal republicans (but with tacit trans support), republicans have become far right and America needs dump their destructive asses — a third party needs to fully emerge to replace the democrats stated but unfulfilled labor, science and freedom focussed agenda…   FUCK THE OLIGARCHIES!!  And shame on the brainwashed public for supporting them… 

LMAO......

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4/30/2025 8:45pm
RichieW13 wrote:

If the plan was part of such a greater unfolding, why did Trump postpone much of it 2 days later when the market panicked?

Tim507 wrote:
I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs...

I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs trust in that the future will be less of fear and CABAL maniuplation and more of the manifesting of what each of us truly wants - FREEDOM from financial enslavement.

CPR wrote:

“Freedom from financial enslavement”. 
So these billionaires are inflicting change for the benefit of the working class? 
Yeah nah.

You realize the other side is just as wealthy except they do it different? If you think it means more financial freedom, I challenge you to prove it.

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Radical wrote:
All of the positive things you mention here that unions did are great, but those issues have been resolved long ago.The problem now is that many...

All of the positive things you mention here that unions did are great, but those issues have been resolved long ago.

The problem now is that many unions have become too greedy, and that's a problem.

kawasa84 wrote:
God damn I get sick of the uninformed. The ignorant.   So, just for facts, since July 2024 the skilled trades machinists employed by Toyota at...

God damn I get sick of the uninformed. The ignorant.   So, just for facts, since July 2024 the skilled trades machinists employed by Toyota at the Tundra plant in San Antonio, TX earn just over $45 per hour. They have a decent benefits package that is as good as union autoworkers. 

The wage for skilled trades machinists at the union UAW who have gone up to the top of the payscale through Journeymans program and seniority is just over $46 per hour. 

So your "greed" argument is s-t-u-p-i-d!!!! Get the facts. Don't spout off unless you have the facts. 

I said some unions, and that is the truth.

Driving a delivery truck is hard work, but it's not a $170k/year skill.  UPS gave in, and agreed that that's what they'll be paid in 5 years.  That's a greedy union.  Reasonable profit sharing is a different topic, but for wages, that is not a $170k/year skill.

25 years ago or so, the CEO of General Motors stated that they pay line works $25/hour + $38/hour in benefits, so $63/hour 25 years ago?  $25/hour wages: That's good pay for the time, but $38/hour in benefits?  That's a greedy union.

I was a Precision Sheet Metal Mechanic before switching to software engineering 30 years ago.  For those not familiar, it's the similar to being a machinist, but working with sheet metal instead of milling machines, lathes and surface grinders (I did that too).

Machinists are one of the most underpaid professions I'm aware of.  It's very, very technical, yet less skilled professions pay more.  So $45/hour is probably too low, and I have no problem with that union, except that they probably should fight to have that wage increased.

If you disagree, then tell me where I'm wrong.

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Tim507 wrote:
I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs...

I really do not have all the answers as this unfolding of changes is not designed to be easiily monitered or even figured out. One needs trust in that the future will be less of fear and CABAL maniuplation and more of the manifesting of what each of us truly wants - FREEDOM from financial enslavement.

CPR wrote:

“Freedom from financial enslavement”. 
So these billionaires are inflicting change for the benefit of the working class? 
Yeah nah.

You realize the other side is just as wealthy except they do it different? If you think it means more financial freedom, I challenge you to...

You realize the other side is just as wealthy except they do it different? If you think it means more financial freedom, I challenge you to prove it.

What is the ‘other side’? 

You mean the other countries? All of them? 

We have presided over the large transfer of wealth from the working class to the mega wealthy in the history of democratic society… and now the mega wealthy are literally bragging about insider trading inside gov… cutting the IRS while planning to take money destroy from peoples paychecks to pay student loans… and people are still on the side of the billionaire oligarchs… how? Why? Are you just too embarrassed to admit you ignored all of the evidence given to you in the lead up to the election? 

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jaybasher wrote:

China and the democrats are counting on anti TRUMP Americans to undermine TRUMP. 

RichieW13 wrote:

He's doing a good job of undermining himself so far.

Dumb ass democrat and just plain dumb ass.

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