Right before Unadilla, Dan Truman mentioned on the Moto 60 show that a new ECU was coming out around the MXdN and that an ECU would be coming out for the 125 EFI bikes. Fast forward to the latest Moto 60 show and he said the new 125 ECU is available and the other new ECU would be coming out in November. While I know he probably couldn’t say much at the time, and may not be able to now (regarding the one coming out in November especially), but I did try to reach out via email and IG and never heard back, which is fine. I’ve been scouring the Athena/GET website and internet in general trying to locate the new 125 ECU or find something out about it. I’m on the list at Twisted for getting my stock 125 ECU remapped by them, as well as getting a new Vortex for my new 350. I’m torn now as to what I should do. Truth be told, neither direction is going to make me better or faster, but maybe I’ll like the bikes more. I picked up the ‘24 350 back in the middle of June and have only ridden it twice. The flaming out and stalling really pissed me off, so I don’t even touch the bike and really don’t want to until I have an ignition (and Rekluse) in it. I didn’t want to remap the Vortex I had in my 2018 350 because I wanted all of my switch functions to work, so I’m waiting out for something, just not sure which one now
It wasn’t my intent to turn this into a Vortex versus GET thread, but does anyone know ANYTHING about the GET products? Who tunes them? Are they fine out of the box? What’s the difference between a GET and Vortex, and why does almost everyone go with the Vortex? Anyone heard anything about the 125 ECU? Heard any results of a remapped stock 125 ECU yet?
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I'm currently en route to SMX and came across your post. I'd like to provide some insights regarding the 125 ECU. This product has been in development for some time. I visited the factory in November, and we had a prototype. As with any new release, we want to ensure thorough testing before it becomes available. Several riders have already used the 125 ECU in the EMX 125 series with remarkable results. You can expect these ECUs to be on the market by the end of this month. They offer a complete replacement ECU with two maps. Then it can be tuned by any tuner that has the GET Maya software. HP, Twisted, XPR, Taco, Slaven, Rottweiler, many more.
Regarding the choice between Vortex and GET, there is a number of excellent ECUs in the market. What truly matters is the expertise of the tuner and their preferences. For instance, Twisted is known for mapping various ECUs, including Vortex, GET, Aim, and others. Twisted seems to favor Vortex due to the extensive time and effort invested in their maps.
However, there are other tuners, such as Taco Moto and HP Performance, who might prefer GET for the features it offers, such as WiFi communication that allows you to adjust the ECU from your smartphone or perform diagnostics to identify any issues.
In response to your statement that everyone uses Vortex, I respectfully disagree. Vortex may have a stronger presence in the US, but on the GET side, we've had a successful year collaborating with Factory Honda and numerous teams worldwide. Additionally, we are involved in OEM projects with several brands.
You can find GET products through major distributors like Parts, Tucker, WPS, RMATV, and Motorsport. If you have any questions or require further assistance, please don't hesitate to contact me.
I have a GET on my 250, Dean Baker (Baker Speed) tunes them. I have a handlebar map switch on my 250 so it has a max power map and a low traction map (tuned by Baker Speed).
I have a Vortex on my 450. Both work well. It's nice in theory to have the 10 maps in the Vortex but I honestly never need more than the 2 available on my GET equipped 250.
Thank you for the fast reply. Also, I emailed you with a couple of questions.
The GET ecu's would be significantly more popular if the Maya tuning software was more realistically priced.
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Here in Europe, I have the feeling "almost everyone" goes with GET.
I totally get it, but honestly, these days, everything seems to cost an arm and a leg. When you look at stuff like an exhaust pipe or some other simple bolt-on mods, IMO a good mapped ECU is the best bang for your buck.
What are you comparing it to? Typically, it's dealers and tuners who purchase Maya, while end-users primarily work with the WiFi Com module. The Maya Evo license is $540 US.
Maya has some unique features that not all others offer. It’s a one-time payment model, eliminating the need for yearly fees. All base maps from our website can be downloaded free of charge.
It's worth noting that there are alternative GET tuning licenses with slightly higher prices, but for most everyday users, they aren't a necessity.
The 350 engine takes a long time to break in. Like 3 hours, i immediately panic purchased a vortex because of the engine braking and flame outs but by the time it came in my engine was broke in, felt free and lost all that engine braking and flame out issues.
With an aftermarket ECU, software should be free and included...
The only ECU I've worked with in years where you have to buy or subscribe to software is MoTec or maybe Pectel on top flight professional racecars with a million parameters.
Something as basic as a single cylinder, naturally aspirated, cable throttle motorcycle engine ECU with no knock or 02 sensor facilities, there is no excuse for not supplying software with your product.
Change my mind 😂
Regarding 125 SX or YZ 125 there is plenty of get or vhm in Europe, but other brands like JD racing, vortex and HPI are also popular.
I have a vortex and a HPI, they don't perform the same on my 2019 motor. The important thing is to have it tuned by your tuner for your likes.
Sometimes aftermarket CDI are a bit too brutal at low Rpm or in the midrange. I like smooth delivery even on a 125!
I’m referring to the new ECU for the fuel injected KTM 125SX, not a CDI for a carbureted model.
Maybe I’ll race that this weekend then. If I do three classes both days with that and 1-2 with my 125 each day, they should be a couple hours closer to being broken in.
I think they are talking about the development software that is used to tune the primary maps. GET 4 stroke ecus with the wifi module have a similar wifi tuning app to the Yamaha. They have to use their own map switch though. Maybe the new version will let you use the stock switches?
That's fair enough then and that's good to know, thanks 👍 I must have misread/misunderstood, I was going to say the AiM ECU for moto (Taipan or something? Saw it while looking through their digital dash downloads recently) definitely allowed end user programming with free software. Good to hear they're not alone.
A good setup from smart folks like Twisted is always good, but nice to be able to further refine or change for environmental differences or a change in fuel or whatnot.
I tried to use GET for a couple AMA visiting pro riders back in 2021 and 2022, because these riders used them in Europe and they liked them and knew the settings, but they needed to be re-tuned for AMA spec race fuel.
Not only could I not find anyone who tuned or sold GET in Southern California, I repeatedly mailed the GET rep Truman (who posted in this thread) and never got replies to any requests for help or where I could get our existing GET ECU's re- flashed.
At least the guys who tune and sell Vortex - XPR and Jamie Ellis - responded quickly and helped us quite a bit with programming and technical help for their stuff.
The quoted pricing for the Maya Advanced tunning software is $2200USD, roughly 3 times the cost of the Vortex software, and more difficult/slower to use than the vortex system.
Yes the GET hardware / ECU seems to be a good product, but unless an engine tuner has access to the advanced software they are of little use. There is no justification for this price other than greed, and it is ultimately only hurting Athena/GET as most engine builders/tuners don't want to pay for it and stick to using and selling Vortex products as a result.
Apologies if I come across as blunt but IMO this is the reality.
Yes I know, I read carefully! I just explain my experience with aftermarket CDI. Read me carefully as well, thank you!
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Well, this fucking thing has me quite pissed off. 7th moto of the day it decided to flame out 3 times.
Do I go Rekluse or ECU first? I don’t know that a Rekluse will help with this BS stalling or not.
Buy the Vortex ECU.
one vet rider I know here had the same issue with popping and flame outs, He got a Vortex from XPR and the bike not only has no more issues, but the XPR maps are significantly more useful than the OEM maps - especially the torque map 3 Im told.
Taco Moto Co does A LOT of testing with the GET ECU.
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Dan, Perhaps you can talk to your software people and ask if there's a way to sell the software at a reduced price, but lock that type of license down to say five or fewer specific GET ECUs. You start with five and each ECU you program uses one of your five. You can remap those five forever, but only those five.
If I get a Vortex ECU for the previous generation 350 (I have a '23 GasGas MC350F) does that still work with the KTM map switch I've added to the GasGas, or do I need some other type of map switch?
I've been riding OEM ECU in map 2 with TC on the hard pack stuff and I'd like to retain the TC feature for some conditions, but I'd also love to reduce engine braking. (Zero flame-outs or popping in the first 3.1 hours here).
What about the GET system? It appears the GET ECU has its own proprietary map switch included.
I have the Vortex on a 2020 FC350.. so same gen as you. It retains and functions with the stock handlebar switch.
- TC and Launch mode functions are retained. (although I never use TC because the XPR maps are so smooth and metered I don't need it)
- Engine braking is reduced
- The Vortex has 10 maps loaded. Map-1 setting on the bars is always Map-1 on the Vortex. Map-2 setting on the bars is whatever of the 10 maps you have selected with the selector screw on the Vortex box.
- I had no flame outs or popping with stock ECU, but it was definitely lean on the bottom. You could make it stall if you whacked the throttle on the stand like a goon. With the XPR Vortex you can smell and see that it is richer on the bottom. You can whack it open as dumb as you like and you won't stall it, which inspires confidence knowing you don't need to roll it on carefully when riding. It also pulls harder and longer through the mid and top. The already impressive top pull of the 350 gets even more impressive. I also really like the XPR "Torque map" for tighter, slippery tracks.
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