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I ordered one of those. All my kids have electric bikes. Really nice when they are young
What was wrong what I said about the Stark Varg?
And what was wrong about my statement that Triumph will run a KTM replica engine manufactured in Asia?
See, you think my takes are bad because you don’t like them, not because they’re wrong.
Original quote: "is it possible that Triumph just lends its name to the project and that the bike is made in Asia?"
That's a bit different to you now saying Triumph will run an engine built in Asia. Huge difference between getting some manufacturing done elsewhere (as most manufacturers do these days anyway) and just putting your name to a whole bike otherwise built elsewhere and handing the whole lot over to a third party as you were implying. Nice try at swerving..
As for the Stark; your constant arse-kissing for a new unproven company with no facts or figures to back yourself up is only matched by your insistence that something built by a reputable one will be a cheap knock-off - with no facts or figures to back yourself up..
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Is Triumph planning to use the one year works-bike exemption to race in 2024? Or do they plan to have the bikes in dealerships this winter?
That rule doesn't exist anymore.
Ah. They must be closer to turning on the production line than it would appear in these media releases.
You would think so. What is it 200 units need to be available this winter/spring?
It's poor choice of marketing strategy. People don't have the patience today. I was looking fwd to the first one, but lost interest completely when how they would release it was exposed.
Like TV series today who wants an episode a week? You wait untils it all there. Anything else is just annoying.
Dylan Ferrandis as a possible rider in the future? Although, it sounds like they’re a little heavy on staff atm.
A lot of shows on streaming services went back to limited episodes per week or just one per week.
Yeah, that’s why I formulated it as a question.. we‘ll see in a few months if the bike says made in GB or not.
And for the Stark stuff: tell me where I was wrong! Most of technical aspects I defended where easy to spot with the slightest technical knowledge. And that the company was legit, was clear the day they did their media launch and presented the guys they‘ve hired. That’s when I placed my order.
I don’t care about a brand or if it’s an eMX or not. I just wanna see great engineering! I’m impressed by Stark, but not YET by Triumph.
Exactly! You'll only get a few minutes of people's attention regardless, so spreading it out over time gives you cumulatively much more time to tell the story. but people also have a short memory so it only works if you have truly innovative features to announce. The downside (besides frustration with the inconsistent release frequency) is that unique features of your product have less of an impact as a whole. It's the opposite of the Apple method where they they try to announce so many features for a product at once that the whole seems more than the sum of its parts. Consumers are left with the impression that it can do everything other products can't do because they can't even remember all the new features.
When this bike is finally revealed, people will have forgotten about the engineering that went into the frame and engine, so they better have something memorable for the bike's release. A cool facility and partners aren't going to cut it.
According to Matthes, he apparently had that option for next year. Posted it in the silly season thread.
2024: 250 MX Only
2025: 450 SX & MX
Looks like Savatgy might be the one that took that deal.
Ouch. That was a pretty good deal ... (+ gear + monster)
IMO, it would be a step backwards.
Like most 250 teams they have a gear deal in place. Monster? Maybe the team will have a conflicting sponsor.
It's a new bike, and it's still going to need a lot of development, and they'll have issues to sort out.
2025. Again, the 450 will be a brand new bike with issues to sort out.
He's still a championship contender/podium guy. Because of that I think he can't afford to take a chance on Triumph.
I wish they had waited until they are closer to being ready before announcing the frame and engine. It's cool to do teasers like that, but they should probably have been ready to go with the whole bike first, and then done the component releases a week or two apart.
Quote: "And that the company (Stark) was legit, was clear the day they did their media launch and presented the guys they‘ve hired"
But a reputable, established company like Triumph presenting the top-notch team they've hired doesn't make it legit.?
Quote: "Most of technical aspects I defended where easy to spot with the slightest technical knowledge" But you're knocking Triumph and making assumptions without seeing their technical aspects?
As I said; you're defending one company using the same scenarios you're knocking another one with.. smh
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And everybody hates it. Its like going back to watching TV from a TV-guide, like its 1990 again.
You’re mixing things up. The legitimacy and the engineering prowess of a company often times have not a lot to do with each other.
And I‘ve never doubted that Triumph is legit. It’s more a matter of how much of their money and brain power are they willing to put into the project. According to the engine not much…
edited: typo
What did you expect from the engine? Flux Capacitor? Overdrive Thruster? Turbonic Venturi Power Assimilator? Maybe a flame thrower?
Not really. Binging a show is cool but it’s nice to have a show to look forward to on a Thursday again or something. And it keeps people on the streaming service.
If you think Triumph haven't come into this with their eyes open and a determination to succeed, then you haven't been paying attention for the past 30 years. Ask BMW and Cannondale if they wish they'd taken their time and built it up from a solid foundation first instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
Quote: "according to the engine not much.." You've seen it running then, and had some performance figures shown to you? Or are you an expert on that too just from a few photos, just like you're so certain about the Stark from a promo video and a load of stats from their PR company?
I hope the bike is good , but I don’t think many people have interest in the bike anyway
Bro, they buy an engine from another manufacturer! What does that say about their engine-ering?
We don't know Triumph is using a 22 KTM engine. They're certainly buying some parts from whoever made them for KTM (like the clutch cover as I pointed out) but that means absolutely nothing as far as the crankshaft, pistons, cams, gear ratios, combustion chamber, head ports, Ignition, etc
I don't see how anyone can look at these two covers and think they are the same part. It isn't odd the engine has a head, cylinder, crankcase, clutch cover, etc. That doesn't mean KTM or one of it's affiliates manufactured it.
The general visual comparison is not to that KTM, but the previous generation:
Design queues, maybe. Still not the same.
It purely visually looks to be the "same" in the way that a 2004+ RM 250 and YZ250 are the "same" -- where the Zook design was largely a functional clone of the YZ, but obviously a fully different motor made by a different builder.
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