Hunter on 450 makes sense

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wouldn't be surprised to see Webb sign a 1 year deal with Honda to mentor Jett before moving Hunter up.

 

Webb isn’t going anywhere on a 1 year deal. 

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I'm hearing people question the talk of why Honda would want Hunter on the 450. If this talk of Hunter moving up to the 450 next...

I'm hearing people question the talk of why Honda would want Hunter on the 450. If this talk of Hunter moving up to the 450 next year at Honda pans out, it will prove to be a super smart strategic move for Honda. We all know Jett is moving up, and we know Jett is the future at Honda. We also know that most likely Sexton is moving on. So Honda has to sign someone to ride along side Jett in the 450. Typically these teams have an obvious A rider and an obvious B rider. They each know their place and it usually works. By signing Hunter, Honda is getting an A rider and a B+ rider and won't have to deal with the ego issues they would have to deal with if they signed someone like Anderson, or Webb, or someone like that. All those guys would want the attention of being the A rider, but with Jett there, it's just not going to happen. With Hunter, yes there will still be a rivalry, but not nearly as bad as one of the previously named riders.  This move is super smart IMO. 

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You don’t think Hunter wants to be an A rider?     Hunter has an ego and can’t talk to his brother for a few minutes after...

You don’t think Hunter wants to be an A rider? 
 

 Hunter has an ego and can’t talk to his brother for a few minutes after they battle. 
 

 I think you’re crazy if you think Hunter is going to willingly be Jett’s bitch. 

Anyone that thinks Hunter loves it when Jett beats him and is happy for him clearly does not have a younger brother. 

Yep 

  It’s funny when people say that Hunter thinks a Jett win is just like a win for him. Hunter and his wife would disagree with that statement. 

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UpTiTe wrote:
You don’t think Hunter wants to be an A rider?     Hunter has an ego and can’t talk to his brother for a few minutes after...

You don’t think Hunter wants to be an A rider? 
 

 Hunter has an ego and can’t talk to his brother for a few minutes after they battle. 
 

 I think you’re crazy if you think Hunter is going to willingly be Jett’s bitch. 

Anyone that thinks Hunter loves it when Jett beats him and is happy for him clearly does not have a younger brother. 

UpTiTe wrote:
Yep    It’s funny when people say that Hunter thinks a Jett win is just like a win for him. Hunter and his wife would disagree...

Yep 

  It’s funny when people say that Hunter thinks a Jett win is just like a win for him. Hunter and his wife would disagree with that statement. 

My brother ate my Dilly Bar one time and I almost ran him through a plate glass window. I can’t imagine if he took 50k from me. 

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Jett seems to be piling on some muscle as of late. He looks quite a bit bulked up compared to last year. Smart move for his...

Jett seems to be piling on some muscle as of late. He looks quite a bit bulked up compared to last year. Smart move for his 450 career. 

That kinda happens the older ya get you start filling out more and more.

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Anyone that thinks Hunter loves it when Jett beats him and is happy for him clearly does not have a younger brother. 

UpTiTe wrote:
Yep    It’s funny when people say that Hunter thinks a Jett win is just like a win for him. Hunter and his wife would disagree...

Yep 

  It’s funny when people say that Hunter thinks a Jett win is just like a win for him. Hunter and his wife would disagree with that statement. 

My brother ate my Dilly Bar one time and I almost ran him through a plate glass window. I can’t imagine if he took 50k from...

My brother ate my Dilly Bar one time and I almost ran him through a plate glass window. I can’t imagine if he took 50k from me. 

😂 best comment because it’s true.

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Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons fast lap time, in Detroit Hunter's fast lap was equal to Benny Bloss in 11th. Not a exact comparison but it gives you an idea. 

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Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later.  Honda thought they had the Ueropean Twins locked up for 24 but they may not happen. With the new 250 SX rule you will see some older 450 riders dropping down.

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wouldn't be surprised to see Webb sign a 1 year deal with Honda to mentor Jett before moving Hunter up.

 

lostboy819 wrote:
Why would Webb mentor anyone ?? That is the dumbest thing I have read in a while.  

Why would Webb mentor anyone ?? That is the dumbest thing I have read in a while.

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He already spent an offseason with the Lawrence brothers training and they have a good relationship between each together.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfsywGGosKQ

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southeast wrote:
Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later. ...

Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later.  Honda thought they had the Ueropean Twins locked up for 24 but they may not happen. With the new 250 SX rule you will see some older 450 riders dropping down.

"With the new 250 SX rule you will see some older 450 riders dropping down."

Not really. Some might drop down, but it won't be any of the big name guys. 

Posted the following in a different thread. 

Heading in 2024 riders finishing in the top 15 in 450SX points in 2022 or 2023 would not be eligible unless they change the rules again.

Riders that are not eligible based on past championships or pointing out:

Eli Tomac
Jason Anderson
Malcolm Stewart
Marvin Musquin
Justin Barcia
Chase Sexton
Cooper Webb 
Dylan Ferrandis 
Ken Roczen
Justin Bogle
Shane McElrath
Aaron Plessinger
Adam Cianciarulo
Joey Savatgy
Justin Hill
Christian Craig
Colt Nichols
Justin Cooper

Riders That Could Appeal/Didn't Point Out 

Brandon Hartranft 8th in 2022
Justin Brayton 9th in 2022
Dean Wilson 10th in 2022 
Kyle Chisholm 14th in 2022

Still Eligible

Vince Friese
Josh Hill

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HL will be good on the 450, and Good chance for Honda to finally win a 450 Title...

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Hcallz5 wrote:
Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons...

Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons fast lap time, in Detroit Hunter's fast lap was equal to Benny Bloss in 11th. Not a exact comparison but it gives you an idea. 

Cool man. How about indy where hunter had the fastest lap time out of everybody in both classes?

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Hcallz5 wrote:
Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons...

Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons fast lap time, in Detroit Hunter's fast lap was equal to Benny Bloss in 11th. Not a exact comparison but it gives you an idea. 

TreeFiddy wrote:

Cool man. How about indy where hunter had the fastest lap time out of everybody in both classes?

Lighter, easier to ride bike, on a smoother, less beat track equals faster lap times. 
 

 The majority of 250 winners have the best lap times, Craig did last year several times. 

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UpTiTe wrote:
Lighter, easier to ride bike, on a smoother, less beat track equals faster lap times.     The majority of 250 winners have the best lap times...

Lighter, easier to ride bike, on a smoother, less beat track equals faster lap times. 
 

 The majority of 250 winners have the best lap times, Craig did last year several times. 

While i dont disagree with you,i think youve missed the point i was trying to make,and why i quoted the post i did

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southeast wrote:
Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later. ...

Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later.  Honda thought they had the Ueropean Twins locked up for 24 but they may not happen. With the new 250 SX rule you will see some older 450 riders dropping down.

Ueropean twins?

Australian brothers.

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southeast wrote:
Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later. ...

Allot of things going on at Honda and at one point they had a plan mapped out of Jett going 450 then Hunter a year later.  Honda thought they had the Ueropean Twins locked up for 24 but they may not happen. With the new 250 SX rule you will see some older 450 riders dropping down.

Hondas not hiring some older 450 guy to come ride their 250. 
 
They are looking at a couple younger kids right now, but the end goal is have Phoenix Honda take over their 250 program. 

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Ueropean twins?

Australian brothers.

TreeFiddy wrote:

Pretty sure hes talking about the Coenen brothers

I’m assuming he is too. Myrtal reps them, so everyone assumes they’re going to Honda. 

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Hcallz5 wrote:
Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons...

Hunter has had kinda a gimmie season imo. Throw him in with the 450 guys and he'll look pretty mediocre. In Seattle Jett was matching Sextons fast lap time, in Detroit Hunter's fast lap was equal to Benny Bloss in 11th. Not a exact comparison but it gives you an idea. 

Yep. 250/450 transitions are a big jump. 450s = twice as many races that are longer, on a rougher track and a faster bike. With a full gate of competition, not a class cut in half at most of the races. I can’t blame a guy for taking the championships and paychecks available, but our class structure isn’t really preparing 250 guys for the 450 class. 

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TreeFiddy wrote:

Cool man. How about indy where hunter had the fastest lap time out of everybody in both classes?

Shouldn't he be faster every week since the track isn't as beat for the 250 main?

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He's usually right there as far as quickest race average lap times, sometimes the quickest.

Go to the AMA SX archives; it's all there. The transponders only speak facts.

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