IF's & BUT's... Could somebody beat McGraths Record?

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Alex814 3/24/2022 11:32am
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I could see Jett passing the SX wins record if everything aligned. He's young enough, and like JT said on the pulp show, how much competition will he have in 6 years from now? I think someone is more likely to have that kind of dominance in the upcoming era compared to current.
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Falcon 3/24/2022 11:35am
3/24/2022 11:35am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2022 11:37am
Titan1 wrote:
How would we look at K-Dub if there was no RC?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I think a lot like Ken. 2-3 outdoor titles but I don’t think he ever gets the SX title done. All just hypothetical though
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky.

Records are made to be broken, but like someone said above, the field is very different now. There will need to be a game-changing rider or a change in the competitiveness of the field for someone to grab 73 victories.


EDIT: Make that 8 series championship runner-ups in the premier class, according to Racer X:

Accomplishments
5-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX Runner-Up (2006, 2005, 2003, 2001, 1999)
3-time Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championships SX Runner-Up (2010, 2008, 2004)
2-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX 3rd place (2004, 2000)
10 career Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship 250MX Wins
18 career Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championship 250SX Wins
7th on the all-time 250SX Showdown wins list
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Johnny Ringo 3/24/2022 11:38am
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Titan1 wrote:
How would we look at K-Dub if there was no RC?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I think a lot like Ken. 2-3 outdoor titles but I don’t think he ever gets the SX title done. All just hypothetical though
Falcon wrote:
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky. Records are...
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky.

Records are made to be broken, but like someone said above, the field is very different now. There will need to be a game-changing rider or a change in the competitiveness of the field for someone to grab 73 victories.


EDIT: Make that 8 series championship runner-ups in the premier class, according to Racer X:

Accomplishments
5-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX Runner-Up (2006, 2005, 2003, 2001, 1999)
3-time Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championships SX Runner-Up (2010, 2008, 2004)
2-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX 3rd place (2004, 2000)
10 career Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship 250MX Wins
18 career Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championship 250SX Wins
7th on the all-time 250SX Showdown wins list
I don’t have him finishing 2nd to Ricky in any SX series? Am I missing one?
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Johnny Ringo 3/24/2022 11:47am
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Titan1 wrote:
How would we look at K-Dub if there was no RC?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I think a lot like Ken. 2-3 outdoor titles but I don’t think he ever gets the SX title done. All just hypothetical though
Falcon wrote:
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky. Records are...
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky.

Records are made to be broken, but like someone said above, the field is very different now. There will need to be a game-changing rider or a change in the competitiveness of the field for someone to grab 73 victories.


EDIT: Make that 8 series championship runner-ups in the premier class, according to Racer X:

Accomplishments
5-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX Runner-Up (2006, 2005, 2003, 2001, 1999)
3-time Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championships SX Runner-Up (2010, 2008, 2004)
2-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX 3rd place (2004, 2000)
10 career Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship 250MX Wins
18 career Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championship 250SX Wins
7th on the all-time 250SX Showdown wins list
So without Ricky that puts him at 5 MX titles and 0 SX
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I think no one gets either, though I would love to see Jett become the one.
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Johnny Ringo wrote:
I think a lot like Ken. 2-3 outdoor titles but I don’t think he ever gets the SX title done. All just hypothetical though
Falcon wrote:
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky. Records are...
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky.

Records are made to be broken, but like someone said above, the field is very different now. There will need to be a game-changing rider or a change in the competitiveness of the field for someone to grab 73 victories.


EDIT: Make that 8 series championship runner-ups in the premier class, according to Racer X:

Accomplishments
5-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX Runner-Up (2006, 2005, 2003, 2001, 1999)
3-time Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championships SX Runner-Up (2010, 2008, 2004)
2-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX 3rd place (2004, 2000)
10 career Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship 250MX Wins
18 career Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championship 250SX Wins
7th on the all-time 250SX Showdown wins list
Johnny Ringo wrote:
So without Ricky that puts him at 5 MX titles and 0 SX
Sorry; I stand corrected. He was second to Reedy twice and... Dungey? once in Supercross.
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mxtech1 3/24/2022 1:46pm
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Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era.

I know this is extremely hypothetical, but the field in MC's era did not train & practice like today's field. MC was still extremely fast and talented, but you drop him in today's field and there's no way he dices through the pack and wastes the entire field by 30+ seconds like he did in the 90's.

If we weight the "king" title against era competition levels, I honestly think Reed or Stewart have a better story.

The entire sport is elevated so much higher than in MCs 90s era that comparing rider's from today is no longer relevant.

No different than the MJ vs. Lebron debate

Flame on....
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mxtech1 wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era. I know this is...
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era.

I know this is extremely hypothetical, but the field in MC's era did not train & practice like today's field. MC was still extremely fast and talented, but you drop him in today's field and there's no way he dices through the pack and wastes the entire field by 30+ seconds like he did in the 90's.

If we weight the "king" title against era competition levels, I honestly think Reed or Stewart have a better story.

The entire sport is elevated so much higher than in MCs 90s era that comparing rider's from today is no longer relevant.

No different than the MJ vs. Lebron debate

Flame on....
ya for sure, a guy like Larocco never trained at all
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mxtech1 wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era. I know this is...
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era.

I know this is extremely hypothetical, but the field in MC's era did not train & practice like today's field. MC was still extremely fast and talented, but you drop him in today's field and there's no way he dices through the pack and wastes the entire field by 30+ seconds like he did in the 90's.

If we weight the "king" title against era competition levels, I honestly think Reed or Stewart have a better story.

The entire sport is elevated so much higher than in MCs 90s era that comparing rider's from today is no longer relevant.

No different than the MJ vs. Lebron debate

Flame on....
You’re way off base. MC was the one that didn’t train so much. He did for two years and was a beast outdoors but he had Stanton early, then Larocco and Kiedrowski, RC took a few years getting whipped by him too before finally breaking MC.
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RaceFace58 3/24/2022 3:17pm
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Oh and since MC always started up frint he didn’t do much come from behind rides
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RaceFace58 3/24/2022 3:29pm
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mxtech1 wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era. I know this is...
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era.

I know this is extremely hypothetical, but the field in MC's era did not train & practice like today's field. MC was still extremely fast and talented, but you drop him in today's field and there's no way he dices through the pack and wastes the entire field by 30+ seconds like he did in the 90's.

If we weight the "king" title against era competition levels, I honestly think Reed or Stewart have a better story.

The entire sport is elevated so much higher than in MCs 90s era that comparing rider's from today is no longer relevant.

No different than the MJ vs. Lebron debate

Flame on....
How old are you? Certainly you couldn’t have been around when MC was racing. There has never been anyone who just rode SX like that ever. Even RC crashed a lot. I’m sure he did but I don’t remember MC crashing big ever. He always missed the chaos, always in the right spot, and never looked like he was trying very hard (in SX). I believe he always was able to ride at about 90-95% and just cruised. It wasn’t lack of good guys it was he was that good. I hated him and rooted against him for all those miserable years. But looking back what an unreal talent. Plop him into today and you’d be thinking none of them trained and all sucked too.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
Oh and since MC always started up frint he didn’t do much come from behind rides
Won the LCQ

Won the Main

I'm jus; sayin'...
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That's gonna hurt!
Not as bad as flying up it.
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Mr. Ted 3/25/2022 8:25am
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I think that the odds are not in anyone's favor for breaking MC's record. If you think about a 17 race season, it would take over 4 seasons of winning every race to beat MC. That's never gonna happen, clearly. But even if you stretched it to 10 years, that's still 7.2 wins per season, every season. Theoretically possible, but highly improbable.
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JBlain619 3/25/2022 8:48am
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RC isn't out in 04 and races the entire 07 SX season and he ties the 7 SX titles IMO.

RC was so dominate and was 2 titles short of MC, just shows how much of a baddass MC was indoors. Gonna be tough for anyone to touch either.
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mxtech1 wrote:
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era. I know this is...
Unpopular Opinion: MC would have only amassed a fraction of his total wins had his Golden years been in the RC+ era.

I know this is extremely hypothetical, but the field in MC's era did not train & practice like today's field. MC was still extremely fast and talented, but you drop him in today's field and there's no way he dices through the pack and wastes the entire field by 30+ seconds like he did in the 90's.

If we weight the "king" title against era competition levels, I honestly think Reed or Stewart have a better story.

The entire sport is elevated so much higher than in MCs 90s era that comparing rider's from today is no longer relevant.

No different than the MJ vs. Lebron debate

Flame on....
You're foolish if you think LaRocco, Stanton and, Kiedrowski weren't training like mad men. The rest of them, you're probably right.
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JS7 is the only man in recent memory that could’ve beat that record or atleast came very close, however his mentality of crash or win got the best of him. Plus the suspension didn’t help at all.
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Nope. I never liked MC because I'm a huge Emig fan. But ya no one is is touching that record. MC was amazing INDOORS. I think Bubba would've had the best chance, but I do think Eli will end his career at number 2 on the list after his new found motivation on the Yamaha.
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biscuit11 3/26/2022 6:37am
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Eli will get to #2 most likely baring a major injury and hopefully stays around long enough to be comfortably #2. With what has happened over the last 4 races, can anyone doubt Eli having at least a small chance of 72 given his new found happiness is easy to see?? After last yr and A1 we thought we were watching the end of Eli when in fact we were possibly watching the end of Kenny. I only expect 1 or 2 after this year, but if Eli goes for 3 more yrs maybe SX only last yr or 2 hes got a shot at 72 and im not gonna be shocked if he does it.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
So if never an RC? That adds a lot of wins to MC’s total. Not just Chad.
With no RC James would own every record imho.
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RaceFace58 wrote:
So if never an RC? That adds a lot of wins to MC’s total. Not just Chad.
motomike137 wrote:
With no RC James would own every record imho.
I don’t know, the majority of James 450 career was without RC. If James doesn’t do his knee in 08, and stays with Kawi instead of that Yamaha, I think he clears 72 easy
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Dont forget supercross only contracts are a thing of the past. These guys are poured into the meat grinder at 5 years and are totally burnt out by 25-28. Rv could have done it, but he burnt out.
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Titan1 wrote:
How would we look at K-Dub if there was no RC?
Johnny Ringo wrote:
I think a lot like Ken. 2-3 outdoor titles but I don’t think he ever gets the SX title done. All just hypothetical though
Falcon wrote:
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky. Records are...
K-Dub finished second to RC in something like 7 championship series. I'm sure he'd be SX champion in at least a few without Ricky.

Records are made to be broken, but like someone said above, the field is very different now. There will need to be a game-changing rider or a change in the competitiveness of the field for someone to grab 73 victories.


EDIT: Make that 8 series championship runner-ups in the premier class, according to Racer X:

Accomplishments
5-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX Runner-Up (2006, 2005, 2003, 2001, 1999)
3-time Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championships SX Runner-Up (2010, 2008, 2004)
2-time Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championships 250MX 3rd place (2004, 2000)
10 career Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross Championship 250MX Wins
18 career Monster Energy AMA Supercross Championship 250SX Wins
7th on the all-time 250SX Showdown wins list
Look at who he finished 2nd to in SX though. It had nothing to do with Ricky.

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McGinnis_339 3/26/2022 10:21am
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Alex814 wrote:
I could see Jett passing the SX wins record if everything aligned. He's young enough, and like JT said on the pulp show, how much competition...
I could see Jett passing the SX wins record if everything aligned. He's young enough, and like JT said on the pulp show, how much competition will he have in 6 years from now? I think someone is more likely to have that kind of dominance in the upcoming era compared to current.
Are these Jett nut huggers serious? Its taken the kid what will be 3 years of racing just to win a 250 regional title. If anyone was ever gonna pass 72 wins it was Stew
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Does Jett have the potential? Sure, so do up and coming amateurs. However it seems there is more parity than ever before in SX and MX.

Jett was very close to losing the title last weekend in his heat race and in the main event where he crashed with Forkner. At this point I dont have big hopes for Jett doing it.
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SX_336 wrote:
How many times did RC finish 2nd to MC,CR and JS in Supercross? Had to be a fairly significant amount.
26 times.
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One could also think that the first couple of years that MC beat RC in SX stopped RC from beating his record. If RC would have stepped in to SX and beat MC right away it would have been game over. Most young ones probably don't realize that RC raced the king for those years without winning the championship.
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clem wrote:
One could also think that the first couple of years that MC beat RC in SX stopped RC from beating his record. If RC would have...
One could also think that the first couple of years that MC beat RC in SX stopped RC from beating his record. If RC would have stepped in to SX and beat MC right away it would have been game over. Most young ones probably don't realize that RC raced the king for those years without winning the championship.
And without winning races those years… rc crashed a fuckload in the beginning, I’ll never forget RC’s San Diego crash.. shit looked brutal..

The person who will get close and or beat MCs record.. is Either A. Somewhere in the 65class or lower or B. Is just being born…everybody else I see absolutely way too much parity even in Am’s

MC and RC win records are going to stand for a good while imo

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Alex814 wrote:
I could see Jett passing the SX wins record if everything aligned. He's young enough, and like JT said on the pulp show, how much competition...
I could see Jett passing the SX wins record if everything aligned. He's young enough, and like JT said on the pulp show, how much competition will he have in 6 years from now? I think someone is more likely to have that kind of dominance in the upcoming era compared to current.
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Are these Jett nut huggers serious? Its taken the kid what will be 3 years of racing just to win a 250 regional title. If anyone...
Are these Jett nut huggers serious? Its taken the kid what will be 3 years of racing just to win a 250 regional title. If anyone was ever gonna pass 72 wins it was Stew
Probably because he's a teenager racing dudes with a decade of experience. He's going to mop up all these guys in the future
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No one in modern supercross will go 10 years wo a season ending injury. I just don't think its possible and ride at the point every week. Dungey showed how to win championships in the current environment. Ride within your self but fast enough to stay on the podium. James came closer to the mindset to break win records but it did not last.
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