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Being in the middle of this thread at the time, I thought guyb had sent me to Neumann land.
A more accurate comparison would be if by taking out fire insurance i became more likely to set myself or a close family member on fire because of it. But hey we're speaking statistically again there and i know you're not interested in that
And no, you wouldn't be better off in your particular situation had you not had your gun. But what if they had a gun also, which is highly likely given your current gun regulations.Then you'd be looking at a shootout in a public place. You vs the junkies, plus any passers by that happen to get in the way of a bullet.
Again the idea behind gun regulation, atleast in australia, is to make it more difficult for the less desirable characters to get guns, to force them to the underground to get them. I've got guns and i shoot guns, i just dont feel the need to carry one because the likelihood of me running into someone else carrying a gun is minute. Not so much in the states
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Or you can just make major decisions based on anecdotal stories and a hunch on the day.
If you had cancer, would you like the doc to give you drugs that have been tested and studied over years, or just a tablet a scientist thought might work, and he/she saw it work on one or 2 guys?
Or what about someone who designed a frame for a motocross bike? If you were about to jump a triple, would you like the engineer who designed it to have extensively studied the strength with CAE, then gone and done a program of physical tests and refined the design. Or just have some engineer design what he thinks will work, hand over the bike and tell you to send over the triple 1st lap.
Yeah you are right data is pretty useless....just frivolous bullshit for “data boys” that can’t be applied in the “real world”
Just being honest. Both are insurance.
The rest, eh, be it as it may, to each his own.
I'm out of here for the night guys, been mentally stimulating, I enjoy a good debate.
But I gotta get some sleep, need to be sharp tomorrow when I leave the house, so I can dodge the half a dozen gun fights I'll encounter on my way to work.
Stay on message rambo. I thought it was for defense against the government, now its for defense against everyone?
It’s to protect from people destroying property, the tyrannical government and to protect my self others and family
There was 1.3 million recorded home invasions last year alone
Have a back to base alarm, a noisy siren and a big bloody dog, all of those are going to be atleast as effective as a gun next to your bed, and 100% less likely to result in you Oscar Pistoriusing your wife in the middle of the night when she staggers back from the bathroom.
My AR is a handy tool to eradicate hogs, and coyote.
I have a small place, with a dammed off, spring fed source.
The tank, "pond" for foreigners , is about 4 acres.
The hogs come up in droves from the downstream side. When they aren't around (they are nomadic) the coyote show up.
I use my AR-15 to try to succumb the onslaught of feral hogs who screw up my pastures designed to feed my cattle.
The only observed massacre my AR has seen was 2 years ago.
About 10 piglets showed up while was deer hunting.
I shot 4 dead, and don't know about the wounded.
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I also killed a coyote puppy at 300 yards. Not a rookie accomplishment.
Why did I kill him? Because in a pack,they can easily kill a calf.
Whoever decides that I don't need my AR can kiss my ass.
I get gun use for farmers, its a daily tool here in australia as well. I have a couple of rifles in my name i use for knocking over Roos and pigs out bush aswell on occasion so im not anti gun in the right environment. I just feel like there is a time and place. The time isnt always and the place isnt everywhere, which is the impression i get in some instances.
I'm a city dweller who has 2 jobs.
My whack machine goes with me when I want it.
Not trying to fight.
Not everyone understands what they hope for.
For me, I think the risk is low enough that the benefits of some level of gun control is a very worthwhile trade off.
Again, just my opinion
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I am sure everyone on here knows someone, is related to, or has themselves, served or are presently serving. (Some in this very thread). Thinking they could go on a murderous civilian killing spree? Do they all know you think that ill of them?
A proud Marine is one who served in the Corps and likely knows the difference very, very well......
For instance: A person breaks into your house and you reach for a baseball bat to them drive off. The Police come round and ask you why you had that baseball bat (even if you didn't actually use it). Correct answer: It was laying around and I was in fear for my life, so naturally reached for it.
Wrong answer (and by wrong I mean you're very likely to get arrested): I had it beside my bed to defend myself in the eventuality of someone braking in.
In other words it's utterly barmy and completely backwards in favour of the criminal. On the flip side you're much less likely to face someone with a gun here, so though I enjoy guns for a sporting purpose, they're not really necessary for defence in this country. Even though gun crime is currently on the rise the chances of actually running into someone wielding one are extremely rare. However I do believe that adult law abiding people should have the right to carry/use non lethal items (such as pepper spray) to defend themselves in their homes and on the street.
It's a trade off I've made personally, but it's not for everybody. That's what makes the situation difficult. It seems nearly impossible to balance our need to control/reduce gun violence with the right to defend yourself AND your Constitutional rights.
But you won’t swing the club with your kid nearby either....
Just like I won’t fire unless I know what’s behind my
Target.
So......what’s the difference ?
To truly solve any problem you have to drill down to the root cause which is rarely what you see on the surface or even the initial subsurface. ROOT CAUSE ANALYSIS is a practice widely used in the chemical industry to investigate the real cause of fires, explosions, etc. and it is very effective. I don’t see any evidence of our government officials utilizing this model.
The question that 2smoke asks is often the first one that comes to mind when talking about home defense but happens to be a very rare occurrence in a populated suburb where I lived. Out in the sticks? Maybe different. Where I live now is ideal for an invasion robbery. I live in a rear house with an alley and my front door is completely hidden from the street. I still assess the likelihood as very low but there are no drunks, druggies, kids or nut jobs (other than me) in my house now so I do keep a loaded handgun at the ready. I sleep better.
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