Suggestions For MX Nationals

art861mx
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Let's consider some common sense changes to the outdoor motocross series. I remember when the change was made to run the races on Saturday instead of Sunday to provide additional travel time for the working stiffs to return to their jobs.
That explanation should have sounded that alarm bells, because this is supposed to be the American Motorcyclist Association "Professional" National Motocross Championship Series. Professional by definition is: (of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main "paid" occupation rather than as a pastime. That being said, the root of the problem has never been addressed.

1) Change the events back to Sunday - Saturday is the the #1 retail sales day in America (it doesn't make sense to be in competition with that day for disposal income).
NFL, NASCAR and many other major sports "DO NOT" showcase their premiere events on Saturdays. Holding the events on Saturday also eliminates participation from a large percentage of the fan base that works in retail in the motorcycle industry. Most of these establishments are conducting business on Saturdays.

Incorporate purse money which would allow a top 20 riders to earn a living wage and ensure every rider participating at an event leaves with some share of the purse money. COME ON, PROMOTERS ARE CHARGING FOR PARKING IN A FIELD. Find a sponsor dedicated solely to cover or subsidize adequate purse money. Maybe a mainstream sponsor, such as a detergent brand, for example. Motocross is a sport in which the gear gets dirty. Getting the gear clean again seems like natural fit for a laundry detergent brand. Far too often sponsorship is only solicited from within the industry.

2) Change the professional licensing age to 18.
a) Let's stop producing a culture of high school drop outs (aka homeschooling)
b) Scientific studies document increased intellectual, emotional, physical and social development is more
common with older teenagers.(potentially reducing injuries, as the body matures physically in the late
teens).
Studies have also shown, the brain still develops as late as age 25. Adam Cianciarulo, for example at 21
years of age, enjoyed one of his least injury riddled season as a professional in 2018. Maybe his body has
finally developed to handle the physical rigors of professional motocross.
c) As the level of corporate funding increases so do the expectations from the athletes. A more mature and
polished rider helps to ensure the sponsors receive a greater yield on their investments. Retaining
sponsorship should be paramount. Historically our sport has been fairly proficient at soliciting sponsorship,
but not at retaining long term sponsors outside the sport.
Sell the family aspect of the sport. No kid ever took him or herself to the races. Mom, dad and the kids put
motocross in a unique position to appeal to a wide array of potential sponsors expanding over multiple
demographics.

3) Incorporate a 125cc Championship Series to run as single moto format at every event with a minimum 16
year old age limit (most schools are in recess during summer). Open the class to all riders with an amateur
(Intermediate or Expert Only) status.

4) For example: Start the series in Southern California (most of the teams are based there; a logical place to
begin) and follow a more natural progression around the country to reduce expenses for the Factory
Teams as well as privateers. Criss-crossing the country is expensive and logistically prevents some riders
from following the entire tour.

A mock projected schedule:
Round 1 - Glen Helen
Round 2 - Hangtown
Round 3 - Washougal
Round 4- Thunder Valley
Round 5 - Spring Creek
Round 6 - Iornman
Round 7 - Red Bud
Round 8 - Southwick
Round 9 - Unadilla
Round 10 - High Point
Round 11 - Budds Creek
Round 12 - Florida
Round 13 - Texas

5) Eliminate career numbers, with the exception of 450SX or 450MX Champions. No longer perpetuate
triskaidekaphobia (the irrational fear or avoidance of the number 13 for the home-schoolers).
A rider that earns number 13 should not be afforded the arrogance of choice and deny a working class
racer the privilege of being rewarded to run the National number he or she has legitimately earned.
A rider that earns one of those bottoms spots just inside the top 99 are typically privateers, whose
programs are often elevated in sponsor opportunities and national recognition by this achievement. A lot of
time, dedication, money, blood, sweat, tears and sacrifice, not only by the racer, but many other supporters
to help put them there. Let's return the numbering system to a meritocracy and treat our racers fairly!


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5/4/2019 10:41am
I've posted this before...1st in points run the red plate...2nd runs yellow plate and 3rd runs GP green or blue. It won't happen but it would give the spectators who's who in the standings.
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Troy
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5/4/2019 10:47am
There are already explanations for pretty much each of your complaints/suggestions. And I’m too lazy to link them all here.
But welcome to the sport
JustMX
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5/4/2019 10:54am
Not going to get into a lot of the stuff that has been talked to death ( low purse, 125 support class, and minimum age was raised and then lowered again).

It would be awesome for the teams to have a schedule like that but it would suck for events that are fairly close together like ironman and redbud because they share a lot of the same spectators and I suspect a pretty big percentage could not afford money, time, and enthusiasm to attend consecutive events. Even highpoint/unadilla/budd's creek might be a stretch.

And the 13 should never be forced on somebody. two of the last riders I can recall using it were gaylon Mosier and Rick Johnson (when he was trying to return after the gator back incident) and neither had any kind of luck. Made a believer out of me.
5/4/2019 10:57am
Honestly it’s fine the way it is.

Also- the men that watch motocross aren’t going shopping and if they are they’ve got DVR. Why compete with the bigger sports for air time? Whatever is on NBC Sunday during the comparable Saturday time is pulling higher ratings just because it isn’t motocross.

I appreciate the enthusiasm. But let the people that have the best interest of the professional sport continue to run it.

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77Moto
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5/4/2019 11:01am
How about putting some of the network TV money in the purse? You know, so the guys who make the gate can buy a meal from the dollar menu and buy some gas to get to the next race?
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Harry_Gray
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5/4/2019 11:03am
art861mx wrote:
Let's consider some common sense changes to the outdoor motocross series. I remember when the change was made to run the races on Saturday instead of...
Let's consider some common sense changes to the outdoor motocross series. I remember when the change was made to run the races on Saturday instead of Sunday to provide additional travel time for the working stiffs to return to their jobs.
That explanation should have sounded that alarm bells, because this is supposed to be the American Motorcyclist Association "Professional" National Motocross Championship Series. Professional by definition is: (of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main "paid" occupation rather than as a pastime. That being said, the root of the problem has never been addressed.

1) Change the events back to Sunday - Saturday is the the #1 retail sales day in America (it doesn't make sense to be in competition with that day for disposal income).
NFL, NASCAR and many other major sports "DO NOT" showcase their premiere events on Saturdays. Holding the events on Saturday also eliminates participation from a large percentage of the fan base that works in retail in the motorcycle industry. Most of these establishments are conducting business on Saturdays.

Incorporate purse money which would allow a top 20 riders to earn a living wage and ensure every rider participating at an event leaves with some share of the purse money. COME ON, PROMOTERS ARE CHARGING FOR PARKING IN A FIELD. Find a sponsor dedicated solely to cover or subsidize adequate purse money. Maybe a mainstream sponsor, such as a detergent brand, for example. Motocross is a sport in which the gear gets dirty. Getting the gear clean again seems like natural fit for a laundry detergent brand. Far too often sponsorship is only solicited from within the industry.

2) Change the professional licensing age to 18.
a) Let's stop producing a culture of high school drop outs (aka homeschooling)
b) Scientific studies document increased intellectual, emotional, physical and social development is more
common with older teenagers.(potentially reducing injuries, as the body matures physically in the late
teens).
Studies have also shown, the brain still develops as late as age 25. Adam Cianciarulo, for example at 21
years of age, enjoyed one of his least injury riddled season as a professional in 2018. Maybe his body has
finally developed to handle the physical rigors of professional motocross.
c) As the level of corporate funding increases so do the expectations from the athletes. A more mature and
polished rider helps to ensure the sponsors receive a greater yield on their investments. Retaining
sponsorship should be paramount. Historically our sport has been fairly proficient at soliciting sponsorship,
but not at retaining long term sponsors outside the sport.
Sell the family aspect of the sport. No kid ever took him or herself to the races. Mom, dad and the kids put
motocross in a unique position to appeal to a wide array of potential sponsors expanding over multiple
demographics.

3) Incorporate a 125cc Championship Series to run as single moto format at every event with a minimum 16
year old age limit (most schools are in recess during summer). Open the class to all riders with an amateur
(Intermediate or Expert Only) status.

4) For example: Start the series in Southern California (most of the teams are based there; a logical place to
begin) and follow a more natural progression around the country to reduce expenses for the Factory
Teams as well as privateers. Criss-crossing the country is expensive and logistically prevents some riders
from following the entire tour.

A mock projected schedule:
Round 1 - Glen Helen
Round 2 - Hangtown
Round 3 - Washougal
Round 4- Thunder Valley
Round 5 - Spring Creek
Round 6 - Iornman
Round 7 - Red Bud
Round 8 - Southwick
Round 9 - Unadilla
Round 10 - High Point
Round 11 - Budds Creek
Round 12 - Florida
Round 13 - Texas

5) Eliminate career numbers, with the exception of 450SX or 450MX Champions. No longer perpetuate
triskaidekaphobia (the irrational fear or avoidance of the number 13 for the home-schoolers).
A rider that earns number 13 should not be afforded the arrogance of choice and deny a working class
racer the privilege of being rewarded to run the National number he or she has legitimately earned.
A rider that earns one of those bottoms spots just inside the top 99 are typically privateers, whose
programs are often elevated in sponsor opportunities and national recognition by this achievement. A lot of
time, dedication, money, blood, sweat, tears and sacrifice, not only by the racer, but many other supporters
to help put them there. Let's return the numbering system to a meritocracy and treat our racers fairly!


I disagree with moving the races back to Sunday and the elimination of the permanent number system; but IMO everything else is spot on. But...I don't see the AMA doing anything to progress the sport.
mx900
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5/4/2019 11:07am
I like the old number system much better! It was always great when the top 100 came out each year to see who made it.
Also I hate the timed practice placement. Race your way into the events both Nationals and Supercross.
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zookrider62!
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5/4/2019 11:08am
Ill play along

1) Change the events back to Sunday - I remember when the change was made to run the races on Saturday instead of Sunday to provide additional travel time for the working stiffs to return to their jobs

This is only part of the reason. Most felt that Sunday races made the race week too long. It was decided to run on Saturday to help keep the superstars from doing SX only contracts.

2) Change the professional licensing age to 18.

Changing the professional age will have no impact. Kids will still home school so that can race during the week

3) Incorporate a 125cc Championship Series to run as single moto format at every event


I'm not sure how this would have any sort of impact. You might get a few 2 stroke nuts show up for a little while, but this is a very short term positive impact

4) For example: Start the series in Southern California (most of the teams are based there; a logical place to
begin) and follow a more natural progression around the country to reduce expenses for the Factory
Teams as well as privateers. Criss-crossing the country is expensive and logistically prevents some riders
from following the entire tour.


as JustMX said, good for the teams, horrible for the fans


5) Eliminate career numbers, with the exception of 450SX or 450MX Champions.
Completely agree with you on this.
450 champ most run the #1, when they are no longer a champion, they get to pick a career number to keep their "brand"
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5/4/2019 12:05pm
I like moving the race back to Sundays and getting away from the permanent number system.
pete24
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5/4/2019 12:11pm
sundays are for racing
have god dam qualifiers
old number system
250cc all types of engines
pay all that qualify a decent wage

it will never happen sx is a circus and outdoors will soon follow as soon as someone who stands to make money off it convinces us we will like it

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