Race fuel with high compression piston

Squirrelings 3/22/2019 9:24am
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Epic meltdown bro. Was melting before the responses even came.
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Everytime someone asks about gasoline, barnetts ass comes in and turns the thread into a pissing match. OP wants to stop the pinging. Hes either running...
Everytime someone asks about gasoline, barnetts ass comes in and turns the thread into a pissing match.

OP wants to stop the pinging. Hes either running lean or needs ~100-110 octane gas. Stop making it more complicated than it needs to be. Fuckin hell dude.
Its not JUST the gasoline threads KB, lol. He's a multi-subject expert level thread-crasher. Just pretty shocked he's still around, actually.
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Its not JUST the gasoline threads KB, lol. He's a multi-subject expert level thread-crasher. Just pretty shocked he's still around, actually.
"Its not JUST the gasoline threads KB, lol. He's a multi-subject expert level thread-crasher."

Yup you most definitely are, and I have seen you destroy a few of them, and I have also received a few less than polite messages from a few others about you and some others here, so you are not as popular and well liked here as you delude yourself to be, so perhaps instead of you and your "Good Ol' Girls Club" members turning threads into a sh_t show for your own personal entertainment, you and your lady friends try being CONSTRUCTIVE for a change and post something USEFUL, aka ACCURATE, that pertains to an op's topic....if you are able to, lol.



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kyle629 3/22/2019 1:10pm
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Ok appreciate the input everyone !

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kyle629 wrote:
Ok appreciate the input everyone !
Good luck!
Matt Fisher 3/22/2019 2:26pm
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Bang for the buck I don't think you can beat 100LL. Readily available at any local airport, it's consistent year-round, has no alcohol, lasts for years in a sealed container (old race fuel jugs work great), and is reasonably priced. If nothing else, it'll be a quick way to determine if more octane is needed. Yes, it'll run great on 50/50 or full strength.
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Greenguy 3/22/2019 3:03pm
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I did the same thing on my ‘17 with the same outcome. I ran VP T4, but that gets expensive. So I changed to 110 mixed at 50/50 with pump gas and it worked fine. Going to keep a stock piston in my ‘19.
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kyle629 3/22/2019 5:49pm
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I put VP C12 in it and it fixed it!
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kyle629 3/22/2019 5:51pm
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I did the same thing on my ‘17 with the same outcome. I ran VP T4, but that gets expensive. So I changed to 110 mixed...
I did the same thing on my ‘17 with the same outcome. I ran VP T4, but that gets expensive. So I changed to 110 mixed at 50/50 with pump gas and it worked fine. Going to keep a stock piston in my ‘19.
That’s reassuring to hear lol I put C12 and it’s good gonna run it that way then cut in half w 93 from there on out
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barnett468 3/22/2019 5:56pm
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I put VP C12 in it and it fixed it!
Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc?

The MS109 isn't leaded however.
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I would just use t4. C12 is leaded I know it's supposedly good for valves but I only use it for 2 strokes.
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barnett468 3/22/2019 6:06pm
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DB97 wrote:
I would just use t4. C12 is leaded I know it's supposedly good for valves but I only use it for 2 strokes.
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Contrary to what some people believe, there is no real benefit to running leaded in a 2 stroke, so unless you need something with as much octane as C12, you can probably find a less expensive fuel.
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DB97 wrote:
I would just use t4. C12 is leaded I know it's supposedly good for valves but I only use it for 2 strokes.
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. Contrary to what some people believe, there is no real benefit to running leaded in a 2 stroke, so unless you need something with as...
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Contrary to what some people believe, there is no real benefit to running leaded in a 2 stroke, so unless you need something with as much octane as C12, you can probably find a less expensive fuel.
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It's ported and head is cut for higher compression. Runs like a champ.
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kyle629 3/22/2019 6:41pm
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kyle629 wrote:
I put VP C12 in it and it fixed it!
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Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc? The MS109 isn't...
Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc?

The MS109 isn't leaded however.
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I wanted 110 but they didn’t have it in stock and I wasn’t sure on the other ones idk if they had it
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kyle629 wrote:
I put VP C12 in it and it fixed it!
barnett468 wrote:
Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc? The MS109 isn't...
Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc?

The MS109 isn't leaded however.
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kyle629 wrote:
I wanted 110 but they didn’t have it in stock and I wasn’t sure on the other ones idk if they had it
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles from my house and I can buy it direct from there also, but unless you can use at least the majority of the power the bike currently has, the MS109 is a bit unnecessary. I just suggested it because you mentioned you wanted more power, and that will definitely give it to you.
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barnett468 wrote:
Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc? The MS109 isn't...
Just curious, did they not have MS109 or did you just not want to pay the extra $2.00 a gallon for it etc?

The MS109 isn't leaded however.
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kyle629 wrote:
I wanted 110 but they didn’t have it in stock and I wasn’t sure on the other ones idk if they had it
barnett468 wrote:
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles...
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles from my house and I can buy it direct from there also, but unless you can use at least the majority of the power the bike currently has, the MS109 is a bit unnecessary. I just suggested it because you mentioned you wanted more power, and that will definitely give it to you.
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Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the 5 gal can of c12 lol
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kyle629 wrote:
I wanted 110 but they didn’t have it in stock and I wasn’t sure on the other ones idk if they had it
barnett468 wrote:
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles...
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles from my house and I can buy it direct from there also, but unless you can use at least the majority of the power the bike currently has, the MS109 is a bit unnecessary. I just suggested it because you mentioned you wanted more power, and that will definitely give it to you.
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kyle629 wrote:
Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the...
Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the 5 gal can of c12 lol
See if you got a speedway that sells cam2. The speedway by me sells it for $7ish a gallon from a pump.

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barnett468 3/22/2019 8:52pm
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kyle629 wrote:
Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the...
Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the 5 gal can of c12 lol
Yeah, the race stuff ain't cheap, and if you don't have an airport nearby, (not that I'm suggesting you do or don't use av gas), you can try the VP Street Blaze or Sunoco SS100 if you can find it. These both have a lot of ethanol, however, contrary to any fear mongers comments, your bike will not turn into a pile of molten metal etc if you use it and that is a guarantee, just as long as you use and store it and your bike properly. I am racing from 2 - 4 times a month, and I don't want to spend a bazillion dollars a month on race fuel either, so I use 93 octane E10 from Shell with 25% VP Street Blaze in my 1980 YZ250, and that eliminated the severe detonation it had, plus I was even able to advance the timing a little with it, and have left the plastic gas can AND the bike out in the rain for a week with a tarp over the bike, and it got to 28 degrees several nights during that time, and the gas is still fine and the bike ran good enough last week at the OTHG race at Milestone to pull 2 hole shots against all newer 4 stroke bikes, with most of them being 450's, lol, but of course that wasn't against pro level riders, and I will be using the same blend tomorrow at the REM race at Cahuilla Creek, and next week at the 2 day OTHG National at Milestone.

Here is the Sunoco gas station finder if you want to try it, but I suggest you call Sunoco and ask if any stations near you carry it as not all of them will. I had a jetting issue with the Sunoco that I didn't have with the VP, but that's not a difficult thing to fix.

https://www.sunoco.com/find-a-station



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fullysicmate 4/21/2019 4:05am
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Mrpro6 is good stuff..

I want to get mune running on methanol, if it is as good as I am told then the others mentioned dont compare torque wise.
Ghostrider145 4/21/2019 4:36am
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Come on guys. Step away from the key board...
OP, just look for a quality fuel that meets your octane requirements. I use Renegade SX4 or 4+. Good luck!

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I have a 2010 crf 450 with a pro circuit high compression piston with little head work done to it. I was told as long as i mixed 50/50 i was good. Ive been running the u4.4 vp. my local station know has vp 110 leaded at the pump. Im going to try that 50/50 and see how it runs.I also have access to 100ll im just not sure i want to try that..it would be a expensive experiment. God knows i dont need it for performance purposes hahaha just more so it dont blow up on my ass.
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Remap with a reputable race fuel. Your compression isn't "crazy high". With a good map you could run any decent fuel. Isn't the black plug on the '17 for a "richer setting"?

Am I remembering that right?
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Have you tried changing the coupler?
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spimx 4/22/2019 6:29am
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However you tune the bike you have lost longevity from original piston
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Yeah, the race stuff ain't cheap, and if you don't have an airport nearby, (not that I'm suggesting you do or don't use av gas), you...
Yeah, the race stuff ain't cheap, and if you don't have an airport nearby, (not that I'm suggesting you do or don't use av gas), you can try the VP Street Blaze or Sunoco SS100 if you can find it. These both have a lot of ethanol, however, contrary to any fear mongers comments, your bike will not turn into a pile of molten metal etc if you use it and that is a guarantee, just as long as you use and store it and your bike properly. I am racing from 2 - 4 times a month, and I don't want to spend a bazillion dollars a month on race fuel either, so I use 93 octane E10 from Shell with 25% VP Street Blaze in my 1980 YZ250, and that eliminated the severe detonation it had, plus I was even able to advance the timing a little with it, and have left the plastic gas can AND the bike out in the rain for a week with a tarp over the bike, and it got to 28 degrees several nights during that time, and the gas is still fine and the bike ran good enough last week at the OTHG race at Milestone to pull 2 hole shots against all newer 4 stroke bikes, with most of them being 450's, lol, but of course that wasn't against pro level riders, and I will be using the same blend tomorrow at the REM race at Cahuilla Creek, and next week at the 2 day OTHG National at Milestone.

Here is the Sunoco gas station finder if you want to try it, but I suggest you call Sunoco and ask if any stations near you carry it as not all of them will. I had a jetting issue with the Sunoco that I didn't have with the VP, but that's not a difficult thing to fix.

https://www.sunoco.com/find-a-station



How the fuck have you not gotten banned yet? You literally start arguments with yourself..

You seem fairly knowledgeable, but you post like a child that tries to "one up" everyone else in a particular thread. In the last race fuel thread, you got absolutely owned by numerous people, but you continued to post and further embarrass yourself.

What's going on man? Please try to chill out..
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kyle629 wrote:
I wanted 110 but they didn’t have it in stock and I wasn’t sure on the other ones idk if they had it
barnett468 wrote:
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles...
The MS109 is pretty uncommon for a motorcycle shop to carry. I got some from the local distributor before, and VP Racing is only 12 miles from my house and I can buy it direct from there also, but unless you can use at least the majority of the power the bike currently has, the MS109 is a bit unnecessary. I just suggested it because you mentioned you wanted more power, and that will definitely give it to you.
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kyle629 wrote:
Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the...
Yeah. Well I plan to find a 110 pump somewhere so that I can actually afford it because I just paid way too much for the 5 gal can of c12 lol
Hey Kyle,

Swing by Webb's there in Centerburg. He's got TurboBlue in a pump on the side of the building. It's very similar to cam2 if not the same stuff. I ran that in my last bike (CR250) and will probably use the same stuff in my 450. Way cheaper and is local to you as well.
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barnett468 wrote:
I was not referring to Sunoco 110. I was referring to mixing any two fuels where one contains ethanol and the other contains MTBE. Sunoco 110...
I was not referring to Sunoco 110. I was referring to mixing any two fuels where one contains ethanol and the other contains MTBE. Sunoco 110 is leaded and is highly unlikely to have either MTBE or alcohol because adding either to leaded fuel would seem redundant and unnecessary, but a quick call to their tech line should get you the answer.

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Just a FYI: Lead is added to increase Octane, MTBE and Ethanol are both Oxygenates. So it's not redundant to add an Oxygenate to a Leaded fuel. U4.4, VP113, VPR all Leaded with Oxygenates added.

I do get your concern with mixing MTBE fuels with Ethanol fuels, first I heard it.

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