Bad news on Alta

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To ride the shit out of it, or not.... 6 months of winter just started.
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ck95 wrote:
Update on Alta, letters have been sent out/received by vendors/creditors, stating that all assets will be liquidated, it included instructions for filing claims for moneys owed...
Update on Alta, letters have been sent out/received by vendors/creditors, stating that all assets will be liquidated, it included instructions for filing claims for moneys owed, etc.

Their decision to close up overnight left a lot of their vendors with large balances owed to them, bad deal. They ordered/received product right up until the last day, no regard for others apparently.

Appears it's officially game over...

OK, ck95 Where did you get this information from? Please can you explain? What vendors do they owe these large balances to? How large are those balances owed? They did not made that many motorcycles to start with, how could they have large balances owed?

If they have all these parts available at the factory or on ordered from vendors that are owed then Alta owners should not have to worry about any future part availability.

I believe Alta Motors problems are more legal issues originated from the way it closed overnight with no word from the company like a gag order.
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The only great part? You guys are delusional. Have you ever ridden one? I swear there's so many keyboard warriors who bash this bike yet they've...
The only great part? You guys are delusional. Have you ever ridden one? I swear there's so many keyboard warriors who bash this bike yet they've never ridden one. Literally every person that i've let ride my bike is now drooling over these bikes.

The bike is fantastic, the best bike i have ridden (and owned) to date. It turns better than any bike i've ever ridden, it has more torque than any other bike, its silent (so my ears don't get nearly as much damage), there's basically no maintenance, i can ride close to homes and it doesn't bother anyone (which means i get to ride more often), it runs exactly the same if i'm at 6000 ft and sea level, it runs exactly the same at 55*F as it does at 105*F, i cant stall it, i dont have to worry about being in the wrong gear, no clutch to pull, the ergonomics are perfect, you can run a left hand rear brake to make even better use of the rear brake ..... and it's 4 bikes in 1. I can let newbies ride around in Map 1 which has the power of a 150F, and they can creep up in power as they are comfortable... up to a 250f in map 2, a modded 250F in map 3, and a 450 in Map 4. It can creep up my ramp into my pickup bed literally without needing me to push it.

I had 2 old timer vet guys try the bike today at Cahuilla. They both got off the bike dragging their jaws in the dirt. They couldn't believe how good the bike is. "This is the ultimate social security bike" and such. These are guys that have been riding for 30-40 years.
CalRMX wrote:
Can you go for a 100 mile trail ride without recharging? Nope......
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly won't do 100 miles. You do realize that pushing your bike doesn't count, right..?
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The only great part? You guys are delusional. Have you ever ridden one? I swear there's so many keyboard warriors who bash this bike yet they've...
The only great part? You guys are delusional. Have you ever ridden one? I swear there's so many keyboard warriors who bash this bike yet they've never ridden one. Literally every person that i've let ride my bike is now drooling over these bikes.

The bike is fantastic, the best bike i have ridden (and owned) to date. It turns better than any bike i've ever ridden, it has more torque than any other bike, its silent (so my ears don't get nearly as much damage), there's basically no maintenance, i can ride close to homes and it doesn't bother anyone (which means i get to ride more often), it runs exactly the same if i'm at 6000 ft and sea level, it runs exactly the same at 55*F as it does at 105*F, i cant stall it, i dont have to worry about being in the wrong gear, no clutch to pull, the ergonomics are perfect, you can run a left hand rear brake to make even better use of the rear brake ..... and it's 4 bikes in 1. I can let newbies ride around in Map 1 which has the power of a 150F, and they can creep up in power as they are comfortable... up to a 250f in map 2, a modded 250F in map 3, and a 450 in Map 4. It can creep up my ramp into my pickup bed literally without needing me to push it.

I had 2 old timer vet guys try the bike today at Cahuilla. They both got off the bike dragging their jaws in the dirt. They couldn't believe how good the bike is. "This is the ultimate social security bike" and such. These are guys that have been riding for 30-40 years.
CalRMX wrote:
Can you go for a 100 mile trail ride without recharging? Nope......
byke wrote:
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly...
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly won't do 100 miles. You do realize that pushing your bike doesn't count, right..?
You are missing the point...
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So are we going to be seeing some killer deals on MXR's??
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11/17/2018 12:12pm
CalRMX wrote:
Can you go for a 100 mile trail ride without recharging? Nope......
byke wrote:
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly...
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly won't do 100 miles. You do realize that pushing your bike doesn't count, right..?
BobPA wrote:
You are missing the point...
That not all motorcycles have the same limitations and you can create pass/fail criteria to make any bike look good/bad? No, I had no idea.
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11/17/2018 12:41pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2018 12:42pm
byke wrote:
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly...
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly won't do 100 miles. You do realize that pushing your bike doesn't count, right..?
BobPA wrote:
You are missing the point...
byke wrote:
That not all motorcycles have the same limitations and you can create pass/fail criteria to make any bike look good/bad? No, I had no idea.
He's referring to the fact that it's a lot easier to stop, fuel up and be on your way again.

Can't exactly do that on an electric bike. Once the battery drains out you need to plug it in, wait for it to charge and then be on your way again.

Bringing extra fuel on your day out is a common thing, not so sure you can bring extra batteries. In the event that you run out of fuel somewhere you can always push it to a gas station or call someone to bring you gas.

On an electric bike what are you supposed to do if your battery drains out? Push it to a random person's house to plug it in? Call a buddy and let him know to bring a generator? Your day is pretty much over.

Point is that it's a lot easier to go 100+ miles on a bike that runs on fuel.
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Every time I read a comment from an alta owner


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11/17/2018 1:05pm
Whens the hydrogen bike coming?
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11/17/2018 2:09pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2018 2:12pm
loftyair wrote:
Whens the hydrogen bike coming?
colintrax wrote:
A hydrogen bike is electric. You could use a hydrogen generator to charge an alta though


https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/electric-vehicles/how-do-hydrogen…
Hydrogen can beused as a combustible gas in both two and four stroke engines. Reduced power yes. Only emissions are co2 and water though, so it would have that going for it which is cool. People freak out because compressed tanks of liquid hydrogen are combustible. News flash lol so is your gasoline. The consumption of the world's water to produce it is kind of a bad idea too
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11/17/2018 2:34pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2018 2:35pm
BobPA wrote:
You are missing the point...
byke wrote:
That not all motorcycles have the same limitations and you can create pass/fail criteria to make any bike look good/bad? No, I had no idea.
-MAVERICK- wrote:
He's referring to the fact that it's a lot easier to stop, fuel up and be on your way again. Can't exactly do that on an...
He's referring to the fact that it's a lot easier to stop, fuel up and be on your way again.

Can't exactly do that on an electric bike. Once the battery drains out you need to plug it in, wait for it to charge and then be on your way again.

Bringing extra fuel on your day out is a common thing, not so sure you can bring extra batteries. In the event that you run out of fuel somewhere you can always push it to a gas station or call someone to bring you gas.

On an electric bike what are you supposed to do if your battery drains out? Push it to a random person's house to plug it in? Call a buddy and let him know to bring a generator? Your day is pretty much over.

Point is that it's a lot easier to go 100+ miles on a bike that runs on fuel.
No one here is a rocket scientist, we don't need a blow by blow breakdown of an overblown claim. He got the point, he just found it silly like me. How many of you go out and ride 100 miles often? How many of you ride 100 miles straight with only stopping for a refuel? That's a painfully specific and frankly goofy yardstick to judge any bike by, especially in a motocross specific forum.

And wow, is it an earth shattering idea to bring along a generator to charge your electric bike? Why are we even talking about this like it's a thing. Running out of power or gas away from camp is your own stupid fault, period. The type of fuel required doesn't make a difference.

Point is, how about we judge bikes using something a little more grounded in reality.
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mxracer666
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11/17/2018 2:40pm
Let's hear a round of applause for Shawn42's clear thinking! The most-of-the-rest of you (and you know who you are), just STFU already , and let things sort themselves out for a while.
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Shawn142 wrote:
No one here is a rocket scientist, we don't need a blow by blow breakdown of an overblown claim. He got the point, he just found...
No one here is a rocket scientist, we don't need a blow by blow breakdown of an overblown claim. He got the point, he just found it silly like me. How many of you go out and ride 100 miles often? How many of you ride 100 miles straight with only stopping for a refuel? That's a painfully specific and frankly goofy yardstick to judge any bike by, especially in a motocross specific forum.

And wow, is it an earth shattering idea to bring along a generator to charge your electric bike? Why are we even talking about this like it's a thing. Running out of power or gas away from camp is your own stupid fault, period. The type of fuel required doesn't make a difference.

Point is, how about we judge bikes using something a little more grounded in reality.
We trail ride 70-120 miles on any given Sunday....not that uncommon at all. My 300 gets anywhere from 60-80 miles on a tank...and we just fill up at a regular gas station. You could never take an Alta on a regular day of trail riding, unless you wanted to cut it short.

I am all for electric, do not get me wrong. But people are not just dedicated track warriors. I have just as much fun exploring hillclimbs and trails as I do for Moto days. The fact remains that an Alta would run out if juice for a lot of weekend warriors.

I hope it doesn’t take rocket appliances for you to decipher what I am saying....
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People aren't buying GSXR's to go "trail-riding" either, Bob...
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11/17/2018 4:11pm
Well technically, the Alta would probably suit me just fine as I can’t last more than two laps before numb hands and arm pump set in.
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downard254 wrote:
Well technically, the Alta would probably suit me just fine as I can’t last more than two laps before numb hands and arm pump set in.
You and about 90% of the riders at practice days. Well maybe 4-5 laps. The rider is worn out way before the bike. Most riders could do MX with a 1/2 gallon tank. Of course Off Road is different.
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11/17/2018 4:33pm
Any news on the status of ALTA? I thought there was a potential buyer.
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seth419
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11/17/2018 4:49pm
So are we going to be seeing some killer deals on MXR's??
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can get a 19 kx450 for less.
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So are we going to be seeing some killer deals on MXR's??
seth419 wrote:
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can...
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can get a 19 kx450 for less.
Did it come with a generator and a gas can?
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11/17/2018 5:14pm
So are we going to be seeing some killer deals on MXR's??
seth419 wrote:
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can...
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can get a 19 kx450 for less.
newmann wrote:
Did it come with a generator and a gas can?
Lol
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11/17/2018 6:33pm
So are we going to be seeing some killer deals on MXR's??
seth419 wrote:
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can...
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can get a 19 kx450 for less.
newmann wrote:
Did it come with a generator and a gas can?
Most expensive accessory for the Alta is a Honda for $899.

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11/17/2018 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 11/17/2018 7:21pm
About 5 months ago I paid $9800 otd for a demo with 22 hours on it with a fast charger. Also bought out of state to avoid tax. Tell them to stick thier $11,000 demo where the sun don't shine. As far as I'm concerned that demo just went down in price too.
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11/17/2018 8:09pm
So are we going to be seeing some killer deals on MXR's??
seth419 wrote:
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can...
Not so far. I inquired about a demo for sale and they want 11k for it. Im all for an Alta but not if I can get a 19 kx450 for less.
newmann wrote:
Did it come with a generator and a gas can?
Negative, ghost rider. It did come with a fork pump though!!!!
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The only great part? You guys are delusional. Have you ever ridden one? I swear there's so many keyboard warriors who bash this bike yet they've...
The only great part? You guys are delusional. Have you ever ridden one? I swear there's so many keyboard warriors who bash this bike yet they've never ridden one. Literally every person that i've let ride my bike is now drooling over these bikes.

The bike is fantastic, the best bike i have ridden (and owned) to date. It turns better than any bike i've ever ridden, it has more torque than any other bike, its silent (so my ears don't get nearly as much damage), there's basically no maintenance, i can ride close to homes and it doesn't bother anyone (which means i get to ride more often), it runs exactly the same if i'm at 6000 ft and sea level, it runs exactly the same at 55*F as it does at 105*F, i cant stall it, i dont have to worry about being in the wrong gear, no clutch to pull, the ergonomics are perfect, you can run a left hand rear brake to make even better use of the rear brake ..... and it's 4 bikes in 1. I can let newbies ride around in Map 1 which has the power of a 150F, and they can creep up in power as they are comfortable... up to a 250f in map 2, a modded 250F in map 3, and a 450 in Map 4. It can creep up my ramp into my pickup bed literally without needing me to push it.

I had 2 old timer vet guys try the bike today at Cahuilla. They both got off the bike dragging their jaws in the dirt. They couldn't believe how good the bike is. "This is the ultimate social security bike" and such. These are guys that have been riding for 30-40 years.
CalRMX wrote:
Can you go for a 100 mile trail ride without recharging? Nope......
byke wrote:
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly...
Can you? My old drz400 with a 4g tank could barely go 100 miles if I was really riding it. My crf450 with 3g tank certainly won't do 100 miles. You do realize that pushing your bike doesn't count, right..?
I have a DR350 that will go 120+ miles with a 4 gallon tank, and an RMX250 with a 4.9 gallon tank that will go 120+ as well.
If there were an electric bike that could be trail ridden, even 60 miles would be nice. Our average rides are 30+ miles
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ck95 wrote:
Update on Alta, letters have been sent out/received by vendors/creditors, stating that all assets will be liquidated, it included instructions for filing claims for moneys owed...
Update on Alta, letters have been sent out/received by vendors/creditors, stating that all assets will be liquidated, it included instructions for filing claims for moneys owed, etc.

Their decision to close up overnight left a lot of their vendors with large balances owed to them, bad deal. They ordered/received product right up until the last day, no regard for others apparently.

Appears it's officially game over...

OK, ck95 Where did you get this information from? Please can you explain? What vendors do they owe these large balances to? How large are those...
OK, ck95 Where did you get this information from? Please can you explain? What vendors do they owe these large balances to? How large are those balances owed? They did not made that many motorcycles to start with, how could they have large balances owed?

If they have all these parts available at the factory or on ordered from vendors that are owed then Alta owners should not have to worry about any future part availability.

I believe Alta Motors problems are more legal issues originated from the way it closed overnight with no word from the company like a gag order.
I have the letter on my desk in my office, I work for a company that is/was a supplier to Alta.

I'd imagine they owe money to most of their vendors, we'll all hope to get some sort of compensation for parts we've supplied.

They didn't write checks for their components, they bought them on credit terms, which they've now defaulted on.

Suspension, plastics, electronics, batteries, plastics, tires...everything needed to assemble the bikes.

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11/18/2018 6:09am
ck95 wrote:
Update on Alta, letters have been sent out/received by vendors/creditors, stating that all assets will be liquidated, it included instructions for filing claims for moneys owed...
Update on Alta, letters have been sent out/received by vendors/creditors, stating that all assets will be liquidated, it included instructions for filing claims for moneys owed, etc.

Their decision to close up overnight left a lot of their vendors with large balances owed to them, bad deal. They ordered/received product right up until the last day, no regard for others apparently.

Appears it's officially game over...

OK, ck95 Where did you get this information from? Please can you explain? What vendors do they owe these large balances to? How large are those...
OK, ck95 Where did you get this information from? Please can you explain? What vendors do they owe these large balances to? How large are those balances owed? They did not made that many motorcycles to start with, how could they have large balances owed?

If they have all these parts available at the factory or on ordered from vendors that are owed then Alta owners should not have to worry about any future part availability.

I believe Alta Motors problems are more legal issues originated from the way it closed overnight with no word from the company like a gag order.
ck95 wrote:
I have the letter on my desk in my office, I work for a company that is/was a supplier to Alta. I'd imagine they owe money...
I have the letter on my desk in my office, I work for a company that is/was a supplier to Alta.

I'd imagine they owe money to most of their vendors, we'll all hope to get some sort of compensation for parts we've supplied.

They didn't write checks for their components, they bought them on credit terms, which they've now defaulted on.

Suspension, plastics, electronics, batteries, plastics, tires...everything needed to assemble the bikes.


In other words business as usual.

What does sound unusual is them still selling stuff after closing shop. But, if they haven't claimed bankruptcy,
they have every right to. I'm sure various vendors are burning their phone lines up, wondering when they're gonna get paid. But, until someone files a lawsuit and gets a lien, or they do go, what is it, Chapter 11?, they can just keep on going. If they have credit agreements of 180 days, hell, that's a half a year before any creditor cand do anything.
Maybe the owners are hoping they can pay most of the suppliers off, with what inventory they still have. Avoid going bankrupt. There is no reason Alta can not try and make a deal with every vendor, maybe paying off with say, 50 cents on the dollar. Bankruptcy might only get a guy 10 cents on the dollar.
And dispute the rest. It costs money to sue. It can be a hassle.

Bummer for sure, they seemed to have a good thing going.
11/18/2018 6:37am
ck95 wrote:
I have the letter on my desk in my office, I work for a company that is/was a supplier to Alta. I'd imagine they owe money...
I have the letter on my desk in my office, I work for a company that is/was a supplier to Alta.

I'd imagine they owe money to most of their vendors, we'll all hope to get some sort of compensation for parts we've supplied.

They didn't write checks for their components, they bought them on credit terms, which they've now defaulted on.

Suspension, plastics, electronics, batteries, plastics, tires...everything needed to assemble the bikes.

Which company do you work for? Would your company be willing to directly support current Alta owners for parts?
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11/18/2018 6:55am
Not sure, legally, that would be wise.
Typically most companies would have some sort of NCND in place
Then you're asking that supplier to assume the problems created by Alta, and their liabilities

I think it's cool he gave what info he could, but any more than what's been shared could create an avalanche of issues
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11/18/2018 7:17am
JM485 wrote:
Let's keep a running talley here. Reasons Alta's are good: 1. American made 2. Exponentially simpler mechanically than even a two stroke 3. Stealth factor 4...
Let's keep a running talley here.

Reasons Alta's are good:
1. American made
2. Exponentially simpler mechanically than even a two stroke
3. Stealth factor
4. Small, versatile company made up of people who actually like motorcycles
5. Invests in racing
6. Extremely fun to ride
7. Almost zero maintenance required
8. Much more elegant engineering solution than a gas powered bike
9. Excellent handling
10. Extremely tunable for all skill levels

Reasons Alta's suck:
1. "Uhhhh, they don't make noise so it's gay. . ."


The inability for people to see past their nose is honestly disturbing to me sometimes.
This is it exactly. Most people in this sport are the single most fearful of change group of adults I’ve ever encountered.
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