Has any journalist asked James the question...

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Off season injuries?? He was off for a year and a half...plenty of time to get ready. He has just lost his drive and now his...
Off season injuries?? He was off for a year and a half...plenty of time to get ready. He has just lost his drive and now his talent is taking him places he can't control anymore.
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Wait, what? His talent is taking him places where his talent can't save him? Is that what you're saying? That doesn't make any sense. Are you...
Wait, what? His talent is taking him places where his talent can't save him? Is that what you're saying? That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to say he can no longer handle the speed he is capable of going? That doesn't make any sense either.
well, it makes sense if he has lost some reflex/reaction speed.

The guy might remember doing certain things, things that took the reflexes of a cat, and if those tools aren't
still there, and he's still trying those certain things, well, one could see a guy getting into trouble.

I remember an article in Life magazine, yeah, yeah I know, on Muhammad Ali when he was in his prime.
Late teens, early twenties. They timed his speed hitting a piece of bulsa wood. A light would blink, he would jab
the stick.

Effing guy was like the quickest they ever recorded.

One wonders what The Greatest had, reflex wise, in his 30s, and how much Father Time, and Sister Bellringer, take from you at the big 3 0.
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GuyB wrote:
No kidding? That's how it works? I don't go to McDonald's and tell you how to do your job. Wink
Slowdude wrote:
If you were a journalist my post could be seen as telling you how to do your job. When I post about white balance and HTML...
If you were a journalist my post could be seen as telling you how to do your job.

When I post about white balance and HTML then you may have a point.

Edit: And your personal attack verified my point in a way. If I respond in kind, I lose access to the only trafficked MX message board, so posters have to tiptoe around you. Just like the "journalists" tiptoe around the riders/teams. And I pit journalists in quotes because that is a vaunted profession and not a term that should be used for spots reporters.
kkawboy14 wrote:
actually the initial question is a dumb one, no way did Stewart come into this season thinking he was out of shape and unprepared. ALL of...
actually the initial question is a dumb one, no way did Stewart come into this season thinking he was out of shape and unprepared.

ALL of his crashes this year were early in motos, so how does not being fit have anything to do with him getting hurt?

Stewart can ride 20 minute motos without blinking.


now if the question is "do you feel racing around all these guys and them being faster than you has been a distraction on the bike?"

I would buy that for a dollar!
Did you seriously just say out loud " how does not being fit have anything to do with him getting hurt?"

SMH
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It was not my intention to bash or attack any of this sports reporters. It was more a comment on the (apparent) state of the sport...
It was not my intention to bash or attack any of this sports reporters. It was more a comment on the (apparent) state of the sport. The photo posted by newmann sums it up. And I even said "not that you can blame them". We have seen beloved internet reporters run out of this sport in the past.

And I hesitate to post this part because I failed to find the post, but maybe someone will remember:
I just spent an hour searching for a post made by you GuyB, in response to some topic (I would comment about the poor search functions here but... Tongue ) where you said that (paraphrasing): stupid posts here at vital had caused issues with a couple of riders (Stewart? Barcia?) and if I remember correctly you went on to say how important it was to maintain a good relationship with those riders and teams because access is so tightly controlled.

So, my opinion is based in part on that post, with you telling us how things work. Apologies that I couldn't find it for a link.

If something posted here by the filthy outsiders can cause you issues, I wonder what an out of bounds question could do? And again, that's not an attack on you, its a comment on the "good ole boy" nature of our sport.

How many people did RC blacklist? MXA, Matthes, others? And I love RC, he is a boss. But a single participant, especially the dominant rider for a decade, having that much control is not good for the whole.

Also, journalist vs sports reporter. Laughing Admittedly, that is my personal distinction and it is not meant as an attack on you or your comrades.

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Slowdude wrote:
It was not my intention to bash or attack any of this sports reporters. It was more a comment on the (apparent) state of the sport...
It was not my intention to bash or attack any of this sports reporters. It was more a comment on the (apparent) state of the sport. The photo posted by newmann sums it up. And I even said "not that you can blame them". We have seen beloved internet reporters run out of this sport in the past.

And I hesitate to post this part because I failed to find the post, but maybe someone will remember:
I just spent an hour searching for a post made by you GuyB, in response to some topic (I would comment about the poor search functions here but... Tongue ) where you said that (paraphrasing): stupid posts here at vital had caused issues with a couple of riders (Stewart? Barcia?) and if I remember correctly you went on to say how important it was to maintain a good relationship with those riders and teams because access is so tightly controlled.

So, my opinion is based in part on that post, with you telling us how things work. Apologies that I couldn't find it for a link.

If something posted here by the filthy outsiders can cause you issues, I wonder what an out of bounds question could do? And again, that's not an attack on you, its a comment on the "good ole boy" nature of our sport.

How many people did RC blacklist? MXA, Matthes, others? And I love RC, he is a boss. But a single participant, especially the dominant rider for a decade, having that much control is not good for the whole.

Also, journalist vs sports reporter. Laughing Admittedly, that is my personal distinction and it is not meant as an attack on you or your comrades.
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Not meant as an attack? I guess I missed that distinction with your white balance and HTML comment...

Try walking up to James and asking him, see what happens.
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5/22/2016 8:16pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2016 8:17pm
Clint Eastwood said it best: "A man's got to know his limitations."
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Not that I need to justify myself to you, but you're in here bashing what I do, and telling everyone how you think stuff works. I...
Not that I need to justify myself to you, but you're in here bashing what I do, and telling everyone how you think stuff works. I think you fired the first shot.

Would you feel better if I wore a fedora with a press tag stuck in the band? Smile
Slowdude wrote:
It was not my intention to bash or attack any of this sports reporters. It was more a comment on the (apparent) state of the sport...
It was not my intention to bash or attack any of this sports reporters. It was more a comment on the (apparent) state of the sport. The photo posted by newmann sums it up. And I even said "not that you can blame them". We have seen beloved internet reporters run out of this sport in the past.

And I hesitate to post this part because I failed to find the post, but maybe someone will remember:
I just spent an hour searching for a post made by you GuyB, in response to some topic (I would comment about the poor search functions here but... Tongue ) where you said that (paraphrasing): stupid posts here at vital had caused issues with a couple of riders (Stewart? Barcia?) and if I remember correctly you went on to say how important it was to maintain a good relationship with those riders and teams because access is so tightly controlled.

So, my opinion is based in part on that post, with you telling us how things work. Apologies that I couldn't find it for a link.

If something posted here by the filthy outsiders can cause you issues, I wonder what an out of bounds question could do? And again, that's not an attack on you, its a comment on the "good ole boy" nature of our sport.

How many people did RC blacklist? MXA, Matthes, others? And I love RC, he is a boss. But a single participant, especially the dominant rider for a decade, having that much control is not good for the whole.

Also, journalist vs sports reporter. Laughing Admittedly, that is my personal distinction and it is not meant as an attack on you or your comrades.
Great post. Bravo.
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olds cool wrote:
Clint Eastwood said it best: "A man's got to know his limitations."
"How can you trust a man that doesn't even trust his own pants"
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olds cool wrote:
Clint Eastwood said it best: "A man's got to know his limitations."
peelout wrote:
"How can you trust a man that doesn't even trust his own pants"
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Not meant as an attack? I guess I missed that distinction with your white balance and HTML comment... Try walking up to James and asking him...
Not meant as an attack? I guess I missed that distinction with your white balance and HTML comment...

Try walking up to James and asking him, see what happens.
Sir, please note which came first.

McDonald's or white balance?

In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as an insult when it was not directed toward them. It was directed toward how this sport seems to treats anyone who doesn't toe the line.

I know my opinion that people like GuyB and Mr. Johnson should be able to ask questions that piss off riders/officials/Feld/DC/me/you without repercussions is an unpopular one. I just didn't think the attack would come from the direction that it did.

As for what would happen if I asked James or any other rider a bad question? I suspect I would never be allowed to ask another. That is my entire point, thanks for highlighting it for me.

I surrender. Maybe Luongo has it right.
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5/22/2016 10:25pm Edited Date/Time 5/22/2016 10:26pm
Give 'em hell Slowdude. And togaset, despite his grammar skills, pretty much summed it up in his first post.
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Agreed.
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I usually interview James during the season, but to be honest he has been--for good reasons--impossible to track down after races in 2016. But, if I did ask him a question this year, that would probably not be one of them. I might ask him, how do you think you can turn this around. Or, how do you deal with all the BS on message boards and in comment sections when you are one of the greatest of all time.

Shit, there is nobody in the 40 years I've been living this sport that has made me think, "did he f&^%# really just do that, at that speed, with that style?" like he has over and over again throughout his career. And, I seriously doubt anyone after him will. He is the reason the sport looks like what it does today. I'm not sure why he doesn't ride off into the sunset with his millions, but for him to hit the deck like he has in recent years and keep on keeping on, just reaffirms how much he loves racing his dirt sickle.

In my opinion, James can come into a season prepared, unprepared, fuck, he could come in 350lbs and I would be pumped to see him on the line. I'm not sure where all the hatred comes from, but for the most part I guess it's just a sign of the times. If greatness is down on their luck or struggling that's a great time to kick them so I can feel better about myself. I read it all day on our Facebook page and scratch my head at the lack of respect for this mans accomplishments and contribution to the sport he obvious loves. It's absolutely sickening.

Why the heck would any journalist ask a legend, why they came in unprepared while they're going through the worst time of their lives. Maybe if he was putting around in 14th, finishing races with lackluster results and taking a paycheck, but that's not what he's doing. Trust me, if that's the reason he is having a year like he's having, he has paid for it in full. I ask the questions I want answers to and that simply is not one of them.

I hope this reads how I meant it. Typing on a mobile device is rough on here. Wink

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5/23/2016 1:44am Edited Date/Time 5/23/2016 1:47am
Slowdude wrote:
Sir, please note which came first. McDonald's or white balance? In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as...
Sir, please note which came first.

McDonald's or white balance?

In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as an insult when it was not directed toward them. It was directed toward how this sport seems to treats anyone who doesn't toe the line.

I know my opinion that people like GuyB and Mr. Johnson should be able to ask questions that piss off riders/officials/Feld/DC/me/you without repercussions is an unpopular one. I just didn't think the attack would come from the direction that it did.

As for what would happen if I asked James or any other rider a bad question? I suspect I would never be allowed to ask another. That is my entire point, thanks for highlighting it for me.

I surrender. Maybe Luongo has it right.
Apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. I know how it works on my side. You have your opinion on how things work.

Let me give you one example, and some extra insight.

In the post-race press conference, there was a local reporter who was questioning Dungey as to why he'd gotten second so many times. He ran through Ryan's entire list of second-place finishes (which is substantial) at Hangtown, and asked why he'd never won here.

Ryan did mention that he'd won at every other track except Hangtown.

Afterward, the guy made a point of coming over to talk to Ryan and mentioned that there was no disrespect intended. I chimed in that I'd asked Ryan plenty of questions that probably came out the wrong way. Ryan laughed. Smile

In the 13-14 years that I've been doing moto stuff full-time, I've also probably asked James more than a few questions that were uncomfortable for him to answer. With the exception of a time or two (where I chalked it up more to bad timing than anything else), I don't think he's ever shut me down on answering anything. The only one I can really think of was a time way back when he was riding 125s for Kawasaki, when he was out riding at Elsinore with J-Bone (who was still his mechanic at the time), and that he just wanted to have a fun day of riding.

There are plenty of ways to ask questions to get the answers you're looking for. You can throw softballs. You can throw hardballs. I try not to ask them in a way that's out-and-out dickish, which is what some people seem to want to see.

The thing is, you can always ask questions...if you can get access to a rider. Most of the time it's no problem, unless they're pissed at their performance, or injured (or both). Last year at Hangtown, Kenny was pretty scarce when he was dealing with his back injury. Afterwards, I got a chance to catch up with him to find out what was going on.

Also, whether you get an honest answer (see Cooper Webb at the Vegas pre-race press conference regarding his wrist injury) is up to the rider...and also sometimes the timing. I talked with Cooper about it again at Hangtown, and got a very different answer from the one that he gave in Vegas. Apparently he didn't want to share injury info the day before he was trying to wrap up a championship.

Heck, we asked Bud Feldkamp what the attendance was at the first USGP a few years ago, and he said 15,000. That might have been the case if they counted Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and made everyone there go through the turnstyles five or six times each.

I'm not trying to start some big holy war here. No one has gotten clipped. (Though when someone with one post comes in and tells you to watch out because you might get clipped, it's pretty apparent that he's a former customer.) But when someone keeps repeatedly telling you how things should work, or that you'll get blackballed, or have credentials pulled...and none of those things have ever happened to me or any journali...er, sports reporter that I know of, it becomes a little frustrating.
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I usually interview James during the season, but to be honest he has been--for good reasons--impossible to track down after races in 2016. But, if I...
I usually interview James during the season, but to be honest he has been--for good reasons--impossible to track down after races in 2016. But, if I did ask him a question this year, that would probably not be one of them. I might ask him, how do you think you can turn this around. Or, how do you deal with all the BS on message boards and in comment sections when you are one of the greatest of all time.

Shit, there is nobody in the 40 years I've been living this sport that has made me think, "did he f&^%# really just do that, at that speed, with that style?" like he has over and over again throughout his career. And, I seriously doubt anyone after him will. He is the reason the sport looks like what it does today. I'm not sure why he doesn't ride off into the sunset with his millions, but for him to hit the deck like he has in recent years and keep on keeping on, just reaffirms how much he loves racing his dirt sickle.

In my opinion, James can come into a season prepared, unprepared, fuck, he could come in 350lbs and I would be pumped to see him on the line. I'm not sure where all the hatred comes from, but for the most part I guess it's just a sign of the times. If greatness is down on their luck or struggling that's a great time to kick them so I can feel better about myself. I read it all day on our Facebook page and scratch my head at the lack of respect for this mans accomplishments and contribution to the sport he obvious loves. It's absolutely sickening.

Why the heck would any journalist ask a legend, why they came in unprepared while they're going through the worst time of their lives. Maybe if he was putting around in 14th, finishing races with lackluster results and taking a paycheck, but that's not what he's doing. Trust me, if that's the reason he is having a year like he's having, he has paid for it in full. I ask the questions I want answers to and that simply is not one of them.

I hope this reads how I meant it. Typing on a mobile device is rough on here. Wink

Well said #1
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Apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. I know how it works on my side. You have your opinion on how things work. Let...
Apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. I know how it works on my side. You have your opinion on how things work.

Let me give you one example, and some extra insight.

In the post-race press conference, there was a local reporter who was questioning Dungey as to why he'd gotten second so many times. He ran through Ryan's entire list of second-place finishes (which is substantial) at Hangtown, and asked why he'd never won here.

Ryan did mention that he'd won at every other track except Hangtown.

Afterward, the guy made a point of coming over to talk to Ryan and mentioned that there was no disrespect intended. I chimed in that I'd asked Ryan plenty of questions that probably came out the wrong way. Ryan laughed. Smile

In the 13-14 years that I've been doing moto stuff full-time, I've also probably asked James more than a few questions that were uncomfortable for him to answer. With the exception of a time or two (where I chalked it up more to bad timing than anything else), I don't think he's ever shut me down on answering anything. The only one I can really think of was a time way back when he was riding 125s for Kawasaki, when he was out riding at Elsinore with J-Bone (who was still his mechanic at the time), and that he just wanted to have a fun day of riding.

There are plenty of ways to ask questions to get the answers you're looking for. You can throw softballs. You can throw hardballs. I try not to ask them in a way that's out-and-out dickish, which is what some people seem to want to see.

The thing is, you can always ask questions...if you can get access to a rider. Most of the time it's no problem, unless they're pissed at their performance, or injured (or both). Last year at Hangtown, Kenny was pretty scarce when he was dealing with his back injury. Afterwards, I got a chance to catch up with him to find out what was going on.

Also, whether you get an honest answer (see Cooper Webb at the Vegas pre-race press conference regarding his wrist injury) is up to the rider...and also sometimes the timing. I talked with Cooper about it again at Hangtown, and got a very different answer from the one that he gave in Vegas. Apparently he didn't want to share injury info the day before he was trying to wrap up a championship.

Heck, we asked Bud Feldkamp what the attendance was at the first USGP a few years ago, and he said 15,000. That might have been the case if they counted Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and made everyone there go through the turnstyles five or six times each.

I'm not trying to start some big holy war here. No one has gotten clipped. (Though when someone with one post comes in and tells you to watch out because you might get clipped, it's pretty apparent that he's a former customer.) But when someone keeps repeatedly telling you how things should work, or that you'll get blackballed, or have credentials pulled...and none of those things have ever happened to me or any journali...er, sports reporter that I know of, it becomes a little frustrating.
Well said #2

Remember the force is strong with the keyboard warriors here.... :-)
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If they are losing they don't say a lot!
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5/23/2016 3:41am Edited Date/Time 5/23/2016 3:44am
After six years of doing this, I'm really still just a fan at heart and maybe therein lies some of the problem for a lot of guys demanding hard edged journalism. I think most on the inside of this sport are ex-racers or people that at the very least grew up with a passion for the sport. With that, you get some journalist that are amazed with every rider out there from 1st to 40th. That's just me being honest about myself and many others like me that I've met over the years.

We're not there to tear down riders, get the dirt, ask them if they use PED's or talk about their away from the track problems. Personally, my goals are to be around my passion at the highest level, use my knowledge and love for the game to report on the racing, hopefully promote the sport and if all goes well make a couple bucks while I'm at it. The last goal has proven to be the toughest one, but the first one keeps me going.

Like Gibby said, I too have never seen a journalist get threatened with a ban for chasing a hard hitting story or asking hard hitting questions. Although, I don't think the hard hitting stuff is at the top of everyone's to do list either. Could this sport use some hard hitting journalism? Yeah, for sure. But, until we get a little bigger and have mainstream media with no real love for the game covering us , that's probably not going to happen as often as the guys demanding it want. Or the guys on Vital demanding it all the time can do it themselves I guess.

I have an idea, though. If every person that has started a "MX/SX Journalists are Pussies" thread gets together and starts their own news website, you'll be well staffed. That way if the "you'll get banned for hard hitting journalism" theory is true, you will have plenty of other like-minded staff to bring in off the bench.





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100% the journos in this sport are handcuffed... If I had a dollar for everytime Matthes said some rider is pissed at him, when if you're honest with yourself, he just talks truth and doesn't sugar-coat shit, then i'd have enough dollars to fly over to a race and shake his hand to say thanks.

There are a few ways MX is amateur hour, the relationship between journos and the tempertantrum-Y riders is one of them.
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5/23/2016 5:35am Edited Date/Time 5/23/2016 5:43am
How could things be improved in your opinion guy?
You think we'll ever see post race press conferences again?

I think for a professional rider / public figure to be able to hide from the press after a loss or poor performance is a luxury. One your not afforded in other popular professional sports... UFC springs to mind as a stark example and their losses are much more personal. F1 post race conferences are often colourful and have created some of the most iconic sound bites of the sport (just watch Senna).

I think post race press conferences would be great to get a sense of rivalries. Like to see post race interactions between Roczen and Dungey after Hangtown would be awesome to get fans stoked for next weeks race.

I loved that well known Des Nations one where Everts called out Stewie and said RC would have given him a real race. That stuff is great for fans.
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Moto journalists do not shape SX/MX; SX/MX shapes moto journalists. As mentioned, athletes in other sports are required to endure post-event press conferences, and both participant and journalist are rewarded handsomely. Without an iron hand ruling the athlete's life before and after the game, would they willingly sit through a barrage of questions? Not likely.

Niche sports are supported by niche markets, including media outlets. Without Feld/FIM requiring riders to answer the hard balls, the hard balls will go unanswered (or the insidious "off the record".). We are all frustrated by the force field surrounding riders, but moto journalists do not create that barrier, they are a victim of it.

With limited free time and no required press conferences, riders and teams are free to select when and who they speak with. Access depends on trust, something difficult to build but easy to dismantle. GuyB isn't a poor journalist; he's a guy who understands his environment.
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One of the biggest stars of this sport and we had no idea up until a few days before the event whether he'd be there, if he'd still be on the team that contracts him etc. that is ridiculous and reaffirms my belief that it's just all one big bro show..

This isn't some Dick and Tom local racing yet it usually feels that way.
5/23/2016 6:37am
Their are no real journalist in sx/mx. Everyone knows that's why they send female "reporters" up to the podium to lob the rider's a bunch of soft balls. Easy to answer, non-confrontational questions that nobody really cares about so the rider's have a chance to plug sponsors. Take a look at the UFC and just how fast they have grown from a niche sport. They do nearly everything right. That includes promotion and asking the tough uncomfortable questions that lets fans form a real opinion of the athlete's and their personalities. All the underhanded soft ball questions in moto make everyone appear to be a robot and doesn't draw in any new fans or give them a reason to cheer for anyone in particular. They all look the same from the outside.
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LoudLove wrote:
Moto journalists do not shape SX/MX; SX/MX shapes moto journalists. As mentioned, athletes in other sports are required to endure post-event press conferences, and both participant...
Moto journalists do not shape SX/MX; SX/MX shapes moto journalists. As mentioned, athletes in other sports are required to endure post-event press conferences, and both participant and journalist are rewarded handsomely. Without an iron hand ruling the athlete's life before and after the game, would they willingly sit through a barrage of questions? Not likely.

Niche sports are supported by niche markets, including media outlets. Without Feld/FIM requiring riders to answer the hard balls, the hard balls will go unanswered (or the insidious "off the record".). We are all frustrated by the force field surrounding riders, but moto journalists do not create that barrier, they are a victim of it.

With limited free time and no required press conferences, riders and teams are free to select when and who they speak with. Access depends on trust, something difficult to build but easy to dismantle. GuyB isn't a poor journalist; he's a guy who understands his environment.
You ever listen To the coach of the New England Patriots "news" conferences?

Until they find out what was in Milsaps locker, we will agree that there are no Investigative Reporter/Journalists in moto.

All I have ever heard from Moto journalists is fluff.
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I usually interview James during the season, but to be honest he has been--for good reasons--impossible to track down after races in 2016. But, if I...
I usually interview James during the season, but to be honest he has been--for good reasons--impossible to track down after races in 2016. But, if I did ask him a question this year, that would probably not be one of them. I might ask him, how do you think you can turn this around. Or, how do you deal with all the BS on message boards and in comment sections when you are one of the greatest of all time.

Shit, there is nobody in the 40 years I've been living this sport that has made me think, "did he f&^%# really just do that, at that speed, with that style?" like he has over and over again throughout his career. And, I seriously doubt anyone after him will. He is the reason the sport looks like what it does today. I'm not sure why he doesn't ride off into the sunset with his millions, but for him to hit the deck like he has in recent years and keep on keeping on, just reaffirms how much he loves racing his dirt sickle.

In my opinion, James can come into a season prepared, unprepared, fuck, he could come in 350lbs and I would be pumped to see him on the line. I'm not sure where all the hatred comes from, but for the most part I guess it's just a sign of the times. If greatness is down on their luck or struggling that's a great time to kick them so I can feel better about myself. I read it all day on our Facebook page and scratch my head at the lack of respect for this mans accomplishments and contribution to the sport he obvious loves. It's absolutely sickening.

Why the heck would any journalist ask a legend, why they came in unprepared while they're going through the worst time of their lives. Maybe if he was putting around in 14th, finishing races with lackluster results and taking a paycheck, but that's not what he's doing. Trust me, if that's the reason he is having a year like he's having, he has paid for it in full. I ask the questions I want answers to and that simply is not one of them.

I hope this reads how I meant it. Typing on a mobile device is rough on here. Wink

Well said Dan.
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5/23/2016 7:00am Edited Date/Time 5/23/2016 7:22am
Are there any College trained Journalists in moto or are most of them photographers turned reporters?

Also, how do "journalists" in moto gain access to the riders. Press conferences are free access to all? All access during race day for credentialed journalists? Or are all journalist vest wearing photographers? is it easy to not get a vest and be left out in the cold as a photographer?
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5/23/2016 7:28am
Slowdude wrote:
Sir, please note which came first. McDonald's or white balance? In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as...
Sir, please note which came first.

McDonald's or white balance?

In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as an insult when it was not directed toward them. It was directed toward how this sport seems to treats anyone who doesn't toe the line.

I know my opinion that people like GuyB and Mr. Johnson should be able to ask questions that piss off riders/officials/Feld/DC/me/you without repercussions is an unpopular one. I just didn't think the attack would come from the direction that it did.

As for what would happen if I asked James or any other rider a bad question? I suspect I would never be allowed to ask another. That is my entire point, thanks for highlighting it for me.

I surrender. Maybe Luongo has it right.
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Apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. I know how it works on my side. You have your opinion on how things work. Let...
Apparently we're going to have to agree to disagree. I know how it works on my side. You have your opinion on how things work.

Let me give you one example, and some extra insight.

In the post-race press conference, there was a local reporter who was questioning Dungey as to why he'd gotten second so many times. He ran through Ryan's entire list of second-place finishes (which is substantial) at Hangtown, and asked why he'd never won here.

Ryan did mention that he'd won at every other track except Hangtown.

Afterward, the guy made a point of coming over to talk to Ryan and mentioned that there was no disrespect intended. I chimed in that I'd asked Ryan plenty of questions that probably came out the wrong way. Ryan laughed. Smile

In the 13-14 years that I've been doing moto stuff full-time, I've also probably asked James more than a few questions that were uncomfortable for him to answer. With the exception of a time or two (where I chalked it up more to bad timing than anything else), I don't think he's ever shut me down on answering anything. The only one I can really think of was a time way back when he was riding 125s for Kawasaki, when he was out riding at Elsinore with J-Bone (who was still his mechanic at the time), and that he just wanted to have a fun day of riding.

There are plenty of ways to ask questions to get the answers you're looking for. You can throw softballs. You can throw hardballs. I try not to ask them in a way that's out-and-out dickish, which is what some people seem to want to see.

The thing is, you can always ask questions...if you can get access to a rider. Most of the time it's no problem, unless they're pissed at their performance, or injured (or both). Last year at Hangtown, Kenny was pretty scarce when he was dealing with his back injury. Afterwards, I got a chance to catch up with him to find out what was going on.

Also, whether you get an honest answer (see Cooper Webb at the Vegas pre-race press conference regarding his wrist injury) is up to the rider...and also sometimes the timing. I talked with Cooper about it again at Hangtown, and got a very different answer from the one that he gave in Vegas. Apparently he didn't want to share injury info the day before he was trying to wrap up a championship.

Heck, we asked Bud Feldkamp what the attendance was at the first USGP a few years ago, and he said 15,000. That might have been the case if they counted Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and made everyone there go through the turnstyles five or six times each.

I'm not trying to start some big holy war here. No one has gotten clipped. (Though when someone with one post comes in and tells you to watch out because you might get clipped, it's pretty apparent that he's a former customer.) But when someone keeps repeatedly telling you how things should work, or that you'll get blackballed, or have credentials pulled...and none of those things have ever happened to me or any journali...er, sports reporter that I know of, it becomes a little frustrating.
GuyB well said. IMHO, a lot of reporting now days has devolved into the combative style of the attacking journalist. Some seem to like this approach (Slowdude) and criticize when it is not used. The reality is that most of the "journalists" utilizing this method seem to do so to make the "journalist" the focus of attention as opposed to actually getting information. Think of the number of times you see it in the media and then really analyze if the interviewee actually gave any information. (Of course, this kind of leads to the question of how much of our modern "news" is actually that or is it entertainment.)

The funny thing about all this is that this entire topic begins with questioning why someone hasn't asked JS7 why he started the season in the condition the OP opines he was in. The real question to be answered is why is JS7 having the difficulties he is.
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GuyB wrote:
Not that I need to justify myself to you, but you're in here bashing what I do, and telling everyone how you think stuff works. I...
Not that I need to justify myself to you, but you're in here bashing what I do, and telling everyone how you think stuff works. I think you fired the first shot.

Would you feel better if I wore a fedora with a press tag stuck in the band? Smile
Jimmy Mac tried that at Interbike. Once.


Only once.
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5/23/2016 7:47am
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How could things be improved in your opinion guy? You think we'll ever see post race press conferences again? I think for a professional rider /...
How could things be improved in your opinion guy?
You think we'll ever see post race press conferences again?

I think for a professional rider / public figure to be able to hide from the press after a loss or poor performance is a luxury. One your not afforded in other popular professional sports... UFC springs to mind as a stark example and their losses are much more personal. F1 post race conferences are often colourful and have created some of the most iconic sound bites of the sport (just watch Senna).

I think post race press conferences would be great to get a sense of rivalries. Like to see post race interactions between Roczen and Dungey after Hangtown would be awesome to get fans stoked for next weeks race.

I loved that well known Des Nations one where Everts called out Stewie and said RC would have given him a real race. That stuff is great for fans.
They have press conferences every weekend at the Nationals.
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5/23/2016 7:52am
Slowdude wrote:
Sir, please note which came first. McDonald's or white balance? In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as...
Sir, please note which came first.

McDonald's or white balance?

In my first post in this thread I did not insult anyone. Someone took it as an insult when it was not directed toward them. It was directed toward how this sport seems to treats anyone who doesn't toe the line.

I know my opinion that people like GuyB and Mr. Johnson should be able to ask questions that piss off riders/officials/Feld/DC/me/you without repercussions is an unpopular one. I just didn't think the attack would come from the direction that it did.

As for what would happen if I asked James or any other rider a bad question? I suspect I would never be allowed to ask another. That is my entire point, thanks for highlighting it for me.

I surrender. Maybe Luongo has it right.
You lost all credibility when you suggested that Luongo might have it right. . .

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