A1: Kinda exposed us all didnt it?

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1/14/2016 5:14pm
Rider history. It means a lot.
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1/14/2016 5:33pm
I think something got exposed here, but it wasn't what was intended.
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[i]"And let's be honest, that was the 2nd time of the night that Dungey lost control in that corner."[/i] The first time was a result of...
"And let's be honest, that was the 2nd time of the night that Dungey lost control in that corner."

The first time was a result of Bogle coming across in front of him, hardly Dungeys fault.
And what makes you think Dungey lost controll? Just because he clipped the tripple does not mean he lost controll.
1/14/2016 6:36pm
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Not worry about PED's? This should make you think twice.

https://youtu.be/4zllTuK0su0
Watch "Bigger Stronger Faster".

It's a really good documentary on PEDs. Blew the doors off the farce that was Alzado's claim that steroids caused the cancer that killed him.

That doc really changed a lot about I thought I knew about PEDs.

The Shop

1/14/2016 6:43pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2016 6:53pm
moto0852 wrote:
Your post bashing people for being conditional and subjective seems really...conditional and subjective.
I didnt say I was innocent.

I hate drugs. But all my favorite rock musicians owe their careers to heroin. Ive never found a logical way to reconcile that.

The racers in the MX/SX scene that Ive been a fan of the most, won lots of championships, despite all having had major drug problems. Meanwhile, Dungey is squeaky clean and Ive never been a fan (tho I have loved how Dungey's success have made asses out of all the people who doubted him). That's odd on my part, but not unusual amongst fans. For example, the biggest anti-PED people are also typically fans of the guys that were the biggest abusers. It's a weird phenomena.

Motodave gets it. I was just thinking out loud and looking for some interesting conversation.
1/14/2016 6:47pm
Motodave15 wrote:
This dude isnt trolling and isnt hell bent on blaming All i read was the Uncomfortable truth so many people fear. The people who are taking...
This dude isnt trolling and isnt hell bent on blaming

All i read was the Uncomfortable truth so many people fear.


The people who are taking offense to this. are the same people who say

chad reed is a asshole for being blunt

or

Getting mad a Kroc's dad for exposing the team last year


There is definitely something weird with us americans how un truthful and fickle we are in regards to somewhat serious situations.

I wish emig or Rc would've endorsed peick buy saying friese deserved it. (but some manager or boss of them would have had to fire them for agreement with him. because it doesnt fit the status quo)

it also has to do with political correctness as not to offend anyone.
Thanks. U get it.

For the record, I thought RC did about as good a job as possible in going to bat for Peick during the live broadcast. He pretty much said Friese got what he deserved. Once again, we cant have it both ways. Ive seen RC take a ton of shit for not being impartial enough being that he owns one of the prominent teams in the field.

Now Emig? I found his response to be laughable.
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1/14/2016 6:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2016 6:55pm
I dont think Dungey was taking out Stewart on purpose, but we all know how things wouldve been perceived if the roles were reversed. And let's...
I dont think Dungey was taking out Stewart on purpose, but we all know how things wouldve been perceived if the roles were reversed.

And let's be honest, that was the 2nd time of the night that Dungey lost control in that corner.

Had Stewart done the same thing, crosses woulda been burning.



I find it really interesting how conditional/subjective everyone is on these topics. We want athletes to "care" and show emotion by racing their hearts out. And in order to race at this level you need to be "all in". But then we put up some imaginary line they arent supposed to cross. And it's a sliding scale depending on who crosses the line. And the line is always moving. The riders cant win in fan's eyes.

Dungey going in too hot in a corner is a example of losing control of one's emotions. Something he's not known for at all being that his whole career has been defined/built by calculated and controlled riding. Fans have given him tons of grief for this. Too many times Ive read complaints that basically amount to Dungey taking shit because he lets the race/season come to him.

On the flip side fans will condemn Weston Peick for letting his emotions get the better of him. FACT: a few punches to a guy's helmet are not nearly as dangerous as a rider getting T-Boned the way Stewart was. One is deemed a "racing incident" and the other a fit of rage. But again, what is deemed a "racing incident" is also on a sliding scale depending on who committed it.

And despite the fact that we are all supposed to pretend we were in shock (which is a blatant lie, you all know you were very entertained) at Peick's reaction, we all are complicit in the aftermath. His spat with Friese was watched on YouTube by all of us countless times. And will no doubt be used in promotions in the future by Feld/AMA despite the fact that they fined him. Hypocrites all around.

We condemn Mike Alessi for his career long struggle with the whoops. Basically asking him to dangerously do something he's not comfortable with. And then at the same time bash any athlete that uses PED's (which by and large are much safer than a supercross track). But then again, damn near every kid that makes it to the pro level had a "race dad" abusively berating them into jumping a triple they werent comfortable with at 8 years old. And those dads are seen as role models to most aspiring race parents. This sport is inherently dangerous. Some PEDs much less a few punches to a helmet arent going to make it any more dangerous. If you have ever marveled at the speed Bubba goes thru the whoops or some insane line he jumped that nobody else would, I sure hope ur not one to also condemn him for "riding over his head".

Mike Genova is taking heat in another thread for supporting his rider. Team Kawasaki took heat last year for not covering up for Davi. I could go on and on.

Do I think Dungey was out of control? Yeah. But isnt that what most of his haters wanted from him? Had it not been Stewart that got knocked out, and say Friese, how many of you would view the incident differently? It's not like Stewart has never been accused of riding over his head.

I could go on and on with examples of hypocrisy & subjective judgements by fans/media. Nobody is innocent here. There's enough blame to go around for the AMA, Feld, fans, and media. Blaming the riders in this case? I dont think so. Until we collectively make up our minds what is ok and what isnt, we should reserve judgement. Or better yet, how about we let the actual riders on the track decide what the rules are. They seem to have the smallest voice in all of this while taking the most risk & heat. Then again, maybe theyre no better. I cant tell u how many times I heard a rider or his mechanic say "Dungey isnt even talented, he just works hard". Im not sure if we want that sorta attitude setting the rules for what is "crossing the line" or not.

Now go shotgun a energy drink while complaining about healthcare in this country.
I neither agree nor disagree. However, you state facts that aren'facts. For instance, your comment about Peicks hit to a helmet versus a T-bone. There is not objective data to make that a fact. It is your subjective opinon which is exactly what your argument (in regards to subjective opinins) says is a flaw in other peoples argumant explanations. Therefore, your opinion is no different than some band not stubstantiad by the exact process of factual information.
1/14/2016 6:56pm
So over these threads. What will we bitch about next week?
1/14/2016 6:57pm
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And what makes you think Dungey lost controll? Just because he clipped the tripple does not mean he lost controll.
Dungey didn't lose control. People saying he would've been able to stop if...

If his goal was to throw it in front of Stew for a block pass then in any scenario you can think of stopping wouldn't be on his mind at all until it it's too late.

And he cased a double, as my clearly under-read post in the "stewart out" thread mentioned, as the thread died.
1/14/2016 7:10pm
ando wrote:
If it's the first time someone is involved in an incident like that they will be treated differently to someone who has been in similar incidents...
If it's the first time someone is involved in an incident like that they will be treated differently to someone who has been in similar incidents many times.
Second. Dungey/Villopoto. Third, actually.
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1/14/2016 7:17pm
Did people actually read that enormous OP?
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1/14/2016 7:47pm
davistld01 wrote:
"Had Stewart done the same thing, crosses woulda been burning."

Huh? You do realize the implication here, don't you?
Of course I do. Look, I dont expect racism to ever go away. But I would hope at some point we can stop pretending it doesnt...
Of course I do.

Look, I dont expect racism to ever go away. But I would hope at some point we can stop pretending it doesnt exist.
F$&@ you and your inclusion of racial issue in a sport where the man has had as many fans and sponsor opportunity as anyone.

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1/14/2016 10:04pm Edited Date/Time 1/14/2016 10:12pm
Thanks. U get it. For the record, I thought RC did about as good a job as possible in going to bat for Peick during the...
Thanks. U get it.

For the record, I thought RC did about as good a job as possible in going to bat for Peick during the live broadcast. He pretty much said Friese got what he deserved. Once again, we cant have it both ways. Ive seen RC take a ton of shit for not being impartial enough being that he owns one of the prominent teams in the field.

Now Emig? I found his response to be laughable.
I laughed at emig's comment too.

I mean he did kick mike larocco in the ribs in san diego when i was like 5 lol

:12 sec's into this video https://youtu.be/lbB73WaHgYw
1/14/2016 10:26pm
davistld01 wrote:
"Had Stewart done the same thing, crosses woulda been burning."

Huh? You do realize the implication here, don't you?
Of course I do. Look, I dont expect racism to ever go away. But I would hope at some point we can stop pretending it doesnt...
Of course I do.

Look, I dont expect racism to ever go away. But I would hope at some point we can stop pretending it doesnt exist.
F$&@ you and your inclusion of racial issue in a sport where the man has had as many fans and sponsor opportunity as anyone.

Jackie Robinson had fans. Bubba should just shut up and be happy right? All the money he's made and opportunity he's EARNED absolves the racists of their actions. Comedy.

Typical response. I shouldnt be surprised, ur from Indiana.

If the truth upsets you that much, that's a YOU problem.
1/14/2016 10:28pm
Motodave15 wrote:
I laughed at emig's comment too. I mean he did kick mike larocco in the ribs in san diego when i was like 5 lol :12...
I laughed at emig's comment too.

I mean he did kick mike larocco in the ribs in san diego when i was like 5 lol

:12 sec's into this video https://youtu.be/lbB73WaHgYw
HAHAHA!

That's a great find. I didnt even know about that. Holy shit that makes Emig's holier than thou shit seem that much worse.
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I dont think Dungey was taking out Stewart on purpose, but we all know how things wouldve been perceived if the roles were reversed. And let's...
I dont think Dungey was taking out Stewart on purpose, but we all know how things wouldve been perceived if the roles were reversed.

And let's be honest, that was the 2nd time of the night that Dungey lost control in that corner.

Had Stewart done the same thing, crosses woulda been burning.



I find it really interesting how conditional/subjective everyone is on these topics. We want athletes to "care" and show emotion by racing their hearts out. And in order to race at this level you need to be "all in". But then we put up some imaginary line they arent supposed to cross. And it's a sliding scale depending on who crosses the line. And the line is always moving. The riders cant win in fan's eyes.

Dungey going in too hot in a corner is a example of losing control of one's emotions. Something he's not known for at all being that his whole career has been defined/built by calculated and controlled riding. Fans have given him tons of grief for this. Too many times Ive read complaints that basically amount to Dungey taking shit because he lets the race/season come to him.

On the flip side fans will condemn Weston Peick for letting his emotions get the better of him. FACT: a few punches to a guy's helmet are not nearly as dangerous as a rider getting T-Boned the way Stewart was. One is deemed a "racing incident" and the other a fit of rage. But again, what is deemed a "racing incident" is also on a sliding scale depending on who committed it.

And despite the fact that we are all supposed to pretend we were in shock (which is a blatant lie, you all know you were very entertained) at Peick's reaction, we all are complicit in the aftermath. His spat with Friese was watched on YouTube by all of us countless times. And will no doubt be used in promotions in the future by Feld/AMA despite the fact that they fined him. Hypocrites all around.

We condemn Mike Alessi for his career long struggle with the whoops. Basically asking him to dangerously do something he's not comfortable with. And then at the same time bash any athlete that uses PED's (which by and large are much safer than a supercross track). But then again, damn near every kid that makes it to the pro level had a "race dad" abusively berating them into jumping a triple they werent comfortable with at 8 years old. And those dads are seen as role models to most aspiring race parents. This sport is inherently dangerous. Some PEDs much less a few punches to a helmet arent going to make it any more dangerous. If you have ever marveled at the speed Bubba goes thru the whoops or some insane line he jumped that nobody else would, I sure hope ur not one to also condemn him for "riding over his head".

Mike Genova is taking heat in another thread for supporting his rider. Team Kawasaki took heat last year for not covering up for Davi. I could go on and on.

Do I think Dungey was out of control? Yeah. But isnt that what most of his haters wanted from him? Had it not been Stewart that got knocked out, and say Friese, how many of you would view the incident differently? It's not like Stewart has never been accused of riding over his head.

I could go on and on with examples of hypocrisy & subjective judgements by fans/media. Nobody is innocent here. There's enough blame to go around for the AMA, Feld, fans, and media. Blaming the riders in this case? I dont think so. Until we collectively make up our minds what is ok and what isnt, we should reserve judgement. Or better yet, how about we let the actual riders on the track decide what the rules are. They seem to have the smallest voice in all of this while taking the most risk & heat. Then again, maybe theyre no better. I cant tell u how many times I heard a rider or his mechanic say "Dungey isnt even talented, he just works hard". Im not sure if we want that sorta attitude setting the rules for what is "crossing the line" or not.

Now go shotgun a energy drink while complaining about healthcare in this country.
My only issue with Dungey was him blaming James when he was the one who did the T-boning, and then whining when Canard took him wide. Dungey had far more opportunity to hit the binders or take evasive action than Stewart did, but it really seemed like Dungey took zero ownership of that incident. Even in GuyB's post about talking to him after the race he mentioned two things; Stewart cut down hard (which is a bit of a stretch) and that he hoped Stewart was okay. I would have been a little bit more impressed if he'd have taken just a little bit of responsibility for it.

And I don't think it was intentional or anything, just a miscalculation and a clip of the rear wheel, but those were things that occurred from Dungey's choices, and Stewart paid the price for them.
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Wayyyyyy late. Shoulda been the first reply. Good thing you're not helping Cole with his starts.
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Of course I do. Look, I dont expect racism to ever go away. But I would hope at some point we can stop pretending it doesnt...
Of course I do.

Look, I dont expect racism to ever go away. But I would hope at some point we can stop pretending it doesnt exist.
F$&@ you and your inclusion of racial issue in a sport where the man has had as many fans and sponsor opportunity as anyone.

Jackie Robinson had fans. Bubba should just shut up and be happy right? All the money he's made and opportunity he's EARNED absolves the racists of...
Jackie Robinson had fans. Bubba should just shut up and be happy right? All the money he's made and opportunity he's EARNED absolves the racists of their actions. Comedy.

Typical response. I shouldnt be surprised, ur from Indiana.

If the truth upsets you that much, that's a YOU problem.
There is no truth that anyone here hates James for racial reasons. If so prove it.

James isn't crying racism you are and applying it to him.

So since I live in Indiana I'm racist ? I own three businesses and 70 percent of my employees are not white so I am sure you can spin that into a negative somehow.

So if black people didn't like Larry Bird they are racist?

If you don't like Tiger Woods but like any other golfer your racist?

Maybe your just wrong
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And since your from Philly are you part of the wheelie boys?
1/15/2016 5:18am
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JW381 wrote:
Wayyyyyy late. Shoulda been the first reply. Good thing you're not helping Cole with his starts.
Laughing
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Motodave15 wrote:
This dude isnt trolling and isnt hell bent on blaming All i read was the Uncomfortable truth so many people fear. The people who are taking...
This dude isnt trolling and isnt hell bent on blaming

All i read was the Uncomfortable truth so many people fear.


The people who are taking offense to this. are the same people who say

chad reed is a asshole for being blunt

or

Getting mad a Kroc's dad for exposing the team last year


There is definitely something weird with us americans how un truthful and fickle we are in regards to somewhat serious situations.

I wish emig or Rc would've endorsed peick buy saying friese deserved it. (but some manager or boss of them would have had to fire them for agreement with him. because it doesnt fit the status quo)

it also has to do with political correctness as not to offend anyone.
ya know, I was surprised by scanning down through this thread, there are lots of good guys out there in the mx world and it's good to see. this thread could have just gone down the drain in some sort of weird racist - politically correct ball of smoke - but it thrived with intelligent posts continuing right along..... bravo boys !

by the way,,, one thing I often notice that is sometimes misunderstood is the term racist. I just checked and I see that the definition of this word is still the same as the last time I checked:

a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.

And you know what, I really don't see that many people out there who seem to be saying that one race is superior to another, what I see time and time again is just that lots of people seem to feel that there are differences between races, or differences between cultures..... for example the Swiss are very organized, or that the Italians have a high priority for eating well and enjoying life.
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I thought this was going to have to do with something about us looking like a bunch of hillbillies who don't know how to act on...
I thought this was going to have to do with something about us looking like a bunch of hillbillies who don't know how to act on national television and it's impact on the perception of our sport.......................
I got news for you hard core old school fans can't fill any stadium and that fight was the most exciting event of the
night...

I read where one former Pro said... "Supercross....... "the only sport where the clowns have to pay to perform..."
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And since your from Philly are you part of the wheelie boys?
Thought that was Baltimore...
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F$&@ you and your inclusion of racial issue in a sport where the man has had as many fans and sponsor opportunity as anyone.

Jackie Robinson had fans. Bubba should just shut up and be happy right? All the money he's made and opportunity he's EARNED absolves the racists of...
Jackie Robinson had fans. Bubba should just shut up and be happy right? All the money he's made and opportunity he's EARNED absolves the racists of their actions. Comedy.

Typical response. I shouldnt be surprised, ur from Indiana.

If the truth upsets you that much, that's a YOU problem.
There is no truth that anyone here hates James for racial reasons. If so prove it. James isn't crying racism you are and applying it to...
There is no truth that anyone here hates James for racial reasons. If so prove it.

James isn't crying racism you are and applying it to him.

So since I live in Indiana I'm racist ? I own three businesses and 70 percent of my employees are not white so I am sure you can spin that into a negative somehow.

So if black people didn't like Larry Bird they are racist?

If you don't like Tiger Woods but like any other golfer your racist?

Maybe your just wrong
Gotta love the race card being pulled, , usually the last resort. How come every black dude i know who follows mx likes Stewart?, racism goes both ways. And for someone calling out a person they dont even know is ignorant,especially on the internet. Grow up. So if you are from a non urban area, or dont agree on being a fan of a rider,you are a racists, lmao,ignorance at its best.
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Gotta love the race card being pulled, , usually the last resort. How come every black dude i know who follows mx likes Stewart?, racism goes...
Gotta love the race card being pulled, , usually the last resort. How come every black dude i know who follows mx likes Stewart?, racism goes both ways. And for someone calling out a person they dont even know is ignorant,especially on the internet. Grow up. So if you are from a non urban area, or dont agree on being a fan of a rider,you are a racists, lmao,ignorance at its best.
Now, i have to say... the reason every black dude likes him. im a brotha myself. Is that its really cool to see one with similar struggles/skintone do well and be at the pinnacle of the sport.

Im only 27 yrs old, but the only other i know of before james was the "broshow" back in the 80 or 70s.. my pops told me about him.

Not to be too blunt, but we had 1 before the stewart brothers showed up (that i know of). And this was well before the 90s.

I always rooted for guys like.. lusk, mcgrath, lamson, albee, henry etc.

So why do all us blk guys like the stewarts/pulley/hackley/alexfry... has to do with us being such a extreme minority in a very majority dominant sport.

Lets say hypothetically it was dominated by brothers and then you guys have R.C. come up through the ranks and take it over for a couple of years.. you would be a huge fan too.. not only because he was/is great but because he looked like you.

Thats as objectional as i can get without it sounding too particular
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1/15/2016 8:13am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2016 8:14am
Motodave15 wrote:
Now, i have to say... the reason every black dude likes him. im a brotha myself. Is that its really cool to see one with similar...
Now, i have to say... the reason every black dude likes him. im a brotha myself. Is that its really cool to see one with similar struggles/skintone do well and be at the pinnacle of the sport.

Im only 27 yrs old, but the only other i know of before james was the "broshow" back in the 80 or 70s.. my pops told me about him.

Not to be too blunt, but we had 1 before the stewart brothers showed up (that i know of). And this was well before the 90s.

I always rooted for guys like.. lusk, mcgrath, lamson, albee, henry etc.

So why do all us blk guys like the stewarts/pulley/hackley/alexfry... has to do with us being such a extreme minority in a very majority dominant sport.

Lets say hypothetically it was dominated by brothers and then you guys have R.C. come up through the ranks and take it over for a couple of years.. you would be a huge fan too.. not only because he was/is great but because he looked like you.

Thats as objectional as i can get without it sounding too particular
Well said.....

To your point in boxing they had no problem for years labeling guys the "great white hope"....it's not a new or unusual thing for people to want to see folks who look like they do accomplish big things.
It can go to the extreme in any case and that is when it can cross over into bigotry in my opinion.
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1/15/2016 8:21am
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I think something got exposed here, but it wasn't what was intended.
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1/15/2016 8:46am Edited Date/Time 1/15/2016 8:47am
Motodave15 wrote:
Now, i have to say... the reason every black dude likes him. im a brotha myself. Is that its really cool to see one with similar...
Now, i have to say... the reason every black dude likes him. im a brotha myself. Is that its really cool to see one with similar struggles/skintone do well and be at the pinnacle of the sport.

Im only 27 yrs old, but the only other i know of before james was the "broshow" back in the 80 or 70s.. my pops told me about him.

Not to be too blunt, but we had 1 before the stewart brothers showed up (that i know of). And this was well before the 90s.

I always rooted for guys like.. lusk, mcgrath, lamson, albee, henry etc.

So why do all us blk guys like the stewarts/pulley/hackley/alexfry... has to do with us being such a extreme minority in a very majority dominant sport.

Lets say hypothetically it was dominated by brothers and then you guys have R.C. come up through the ranks and take it over for a couple of years.. you would be a huge fan too.. not only because he was/is great but because he looked like you.

Thats as objectional as i can get without it sounding too particular
I'm white, yet I can't stand the Duke basketball team and root against them at every opportunity. I never really liked Larry Bird, either. I preferred Magic. I can't put myself in your shoes, but I couldn't imagine rooting for a white guy just because he is the only one in a black dominated setting.

Racism still exists, but to say that is why Stewart gets so much attention is just foolish.

1/15/2016 10:51am
There is no truth that anyone here hates James for racial reasons. If so prove it. James isn't crying racism you are and applying it to...
There is no truth that anyone here hates James for racial reasons. If so prove it.

James isn't crying racism you are and applying it to him.

So since I live in Indiana I'm racist ? I own three businesses and 70 percent of my employees are not white so I am sure you can spin that into a negative somehow.

So if black people didn't like Larry Bird they are racist?

If you don't like Tiger Woods but like any other golfer your racist?

Maybe your just wrong
Prove it? Like I said, go look up the Caselli thread. You will see plenty exposing their racist & bigot tendencies.

Not to mention, all the times Ive heard Bubba referred to as a nigger. That's my personal proof. You wanna live in denial, suit yourself.

And as for ur claim the Stewart family doesnt cry racism, everyone in the sport knows theyve had a chip on their shoulder about the issue since day one. They do about as good a job of keeping it to themselves as possible and for good reason considering it's a lose lose situation considering this sport's demographic. But the truth is, I do know how they REALLY feel about the issue.


U have non-white employees? Good for you. You might even have black friends. I guess youre not a racist (insert eye roll emoji)


And your examples are a joke. I'll break it down for you as simple as possible:

If someone doesnt like Larry Bird/Tiger Woods, they are NOT a racist.
If someone doesnt like Larry Bird/Tiger Woods, simply BECAUSE of their race, they are a racist.

I mean for fuck's sake, this isnt that groundbreaking a topic. We live in country where half the idiots voted for the POTUS because he was black and the other half voted against him for the same idiotic reason. His puppet policies & promise of "change" meant dick to either side no matter how much they want to admit it to themselves or not. All politicians are fucking liars the only difference is how they market themselves. And we know what Obama's key marketing angle was. I cant even begin to tell u how many white and black people I heard say "its time a black man is in the white house" and Im like WHAT? That's your fucking reason for voting for him?!?


Race / Racism / Bigotry should not be such a lightning rod topic but it is because it exposes huge faults in people/culture. Stop living in denial and then maybe one day we can all just "move on" from it.

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