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karsmakers 9/19/2015 4:45pm
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So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
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I think you're being a bit optimistic there.
I hoped a few euros might agree with me but the "mutual respect" was a bit optimisticLaughing
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest imo . because the USA have a huge advantage every year. as its been said many times its very hard for any euro country to have 3 great rider . even germany only have two
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
No! Why would you want to end the bull shit?
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I hoped a few euros might agree with me but the "mutual respect" was a bit optimisticLaughing
I totally agree with what you're saying, but it's unlikely that this argument will end any time soon. I don't think it's quite as bad as it was though, could be wrong

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crusty_xx 9/19/2015 4:50pm
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
well, what you're saying makes sense but you need a double digit IQ to understand it.
So no, the bullshit will never be settled
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agn5009 9/19/2015 4:52pm
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
This is 100% correct. Would anyone expect the euro's to come here, race Millville, and beat dungey or Jmart in one off race? Of course not. It's just stupid. The best always rise to the top. Take the best from either series, place them in the opposite series, give them a year or two to get acclimated and they would be right there winning races.
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karsmakers 9/19/2015 4:53pm
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
brimx153 wrote:
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest...
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest imo . because the USA have a huge advantage every year. as its been said many times its very hard for any euro country to have 3 great rider . even germany only have two
And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted? Are these AMA veterans the riders who win over here? because the GP regulars don't come over and win. And as for the USA advantage...if every race was held in the US and 37 us riders lined up against 3 GP riders would that be fair? Thats how it is now in your favor
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
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This race does not even matter to any of them... There's nothing to win accept for a trophy that no one will even remember on monday...
This race does not even matter to any of them... There's nothing to win accept for a trophy that no one will even remember on monday. The only trophy that matters is being raced for next week.
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there are contractual obligation and all that, but I like to believe that these guys are sportsmen and competitors at heart. They show up to race. They show up to win.
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brimx153 9/19/2015 4:56pm
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karsmakers wrote:
I hoped a few euros might agree with me but the "mutual respect" was a bit optimisticLaughing
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I totally agree with what you're saying, but it's unlikely that this argument will end any time soon. I don't think it's quite as bad as...
I totally agree with what you're saying, but it's unlikely that this argument will end any time soon. I don't think it's quite as bad as it was though, could be wrong
i agree with the mutual respect , but then you say euros can t win in the US tracks . how can that be mutual respect . i think on any day a top euro guy could win in the US , and a top US rider could win on a euro . only diff i see between the AMA and the MX1 . is MX1 is far far more depth . the top 3 or 4 are very even after that its not the same at all imo
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RG1 9/19/2015 4:59pm
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And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted...
And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted? Are these AMA veterans the riders who win over here? because the GP regulars don't come over and win. And as for the USA advantage...if every race was held in the US and 37 us riders lined up against 3 GP riders would that be fair? Thats how it is now in your favor
It's not quite how it is, all those 37 riders don't ride for the same team. The best riders in Europe are split up and spread over 15-20 teams, all the best riders in America are kept together and you get to choose the best 3. Under normal circumstances I do think that the USA has s bit of an advantage there
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brimx153 wrote:
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest...
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest imo . because the USA have a huge advantage every year. as its been said many times its very hard for any euro country to have 3 great rider . even germany only have two
"Our" riders - meaning European riders? Ok, so what's the percentage of upper level US riders that up and go to GP's vs. up-and-coming Euro's that come over to the states? I think your view is skewed, but that's just my opinion.

Look, it's ok if we all think both sides are good - that doesn't make one side BETTER than the other, thought.

Also confused as to how the US have an edge in MXDN every year given the fact that it's a race hosted and ran by a different sanctioning body/series than the US nationals, raced by a field that is comprised of mostly international riders who have competed in said MXGP series for the prior 6 months leading up to the event - unlike those damn American's.

Last bit was a joke, so don't get riled up, just my opinion.
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Hendricus 9/19/2015 5:04pm
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We need more cross over races. The Glen Helen race is a fun one. I think we need two even-up venues per year.

Also, too bad there were not more Villopoto - Cairoli match-ups over the past five years. Obviously RV is done, and TC is possibly on the downward slope of his great career.

The MXGP series is pretty cool, the way it treks the globe.
overthebars39 9/19/2015 5:04pm
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Hendricus wrote:
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there...
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there are contractual obligation and all that, but I like to believe that these guys are sportsmen and competitors at heart. They show up to race. They show up to win.
I believe you're a bit naive
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brimx153 9/19/2015 5:09pm
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
brimx153 wrote:
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest...
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest imo . because the USA have a huge advantage every year. as its been said many times its very hard for any euro country to have 3 great rider . even germany only have two
karsmakers wrote:
And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted...
And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted? Are these AMA veterans the riders who win over here? because the GP regulars don't come over and win. And as for the USA advantage...if every race was held in the US and 37 us riders lined up against 3 GP riders would that be fair? Thats how it is now in your favor
i am talking about the mxon , the USA have a huge advantage every year . they have such a pool of riders to pick from . there alot more people in most of your city s than the whole of ireland .we hav had one great rider at time s but to have 3 at the same time just will never happen . tortelli went right over and started winning ,he should have win the championship in 1999. porcell won right away when he went over he should have won two championships . and yes it took Rocen a couple of yrs ,but he was winning alot of races the first year . on the other side RV did win a race this year and i am certain if he had nt of got injured he would of won alot more this year
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agn5009 9/19/2015 5:10pm
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Hendricus wrote:
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there...
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there are contractual obligation and all that, but I like to believe that these guys are sportsmen and competitors at heart. They show up to race. They show up to win.
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I believe you're a bit naive
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil, then you're a bit naive
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zehn 9/19/2015 5:14pm
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
moto455va wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/09/19/105410/s1200_photo_64230.jpg[/img] >actually thinking the "whos faster" argument will ever come to an end


>actually thinking the "whos faster" argument will ever come to an end
Are you really trying to greentext on Vital?

Don't be that guy. Nobody here knows that shit and it just makes you look silly
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RG1 9/19/2015 5:16pm
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agn5009 wrote:
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil...
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil, then you're a bit naive
I agree. None of those guys want to let an American wildcard come in and win a Grand Prix. They may not care too much today, but tomorrow they will definitely be wanting a good result

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overthebars39 wrote:
Grant is certainly riding like a guy that needs a job.
Couldn't have gotten a better track to prove himself. :D
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Doesn't he already have a job though? I thought he signed with Kawi?
Hahn and (it's being heavily reported) Tomac. As far as I know don't think Kawi will carry 3 riders. Grant was filling in for Hahn during the Nationals and I believe this is his last Factory Kawi ride.
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Hendricus 9/19/2015 5:19pm
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I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there...
I disagree. If it does not matter to you, you stay home. I get that the MXGP champ has already been crown. I get that there are contractual obligation and all that, but I like to believe that these guys are sportsmen and competitors at heart. They show up to race. They show up to win.
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I believe you're a bit naive
OverTheBars39, I will admit that I'm no expert - hence a bit naive.

But I still challenge your comment, "This race does not even matter to any of them... There's nothing to win..."

So what are we watching? An exhibition? A parade?

Just on the level of Webb and Musquin, there's racing going on.

Well..., at least that's what I'm thinking as they parade by.
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SlowMoFo 9/19/2015 5:21pm
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I don't understand people whosay a race doesnt mean anything. They all line up at the gate and tried to finish first, a race is a race.
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brimx153 9/19/2015 5:21pm
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our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest...
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest imo . because the USA have a huge advantage every year. as its been said many times its very hard for any euro country to have 3 great rider . even germany only have two
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"Our" riders - meaning European riders? Ok, so what's the percentage of upper level US riders that up and go to GP's vs. up-and-coming Euro's that...
"Our" riders - meaning European riders? Ok, so what's the percentage of upper level US riders that up and go to GP's vs. up-and-coming Euro's that come over to the states? I think your view is skewed, but that's just my opinion.

Look, it's ok if we all think both sides are good - that doesn't make one side BETTER than the other, thought.

Also confused as to how the US have an edge in MXDN every year given the fact that it's a race hosted and ran by a different sanctioning body/series than the US nationals, raced by a field that is comprised of mostly international riders who have competed in said MXGP series for the prior 6 months leading up to the event - unlike those damn American's.

Last bit was a joke, so don't get riled up, just my opinion.
yea i agree with you that one is not so much better than the other . i actually love most of the US track s . i think if you take the top 5 from mx1 and the top 5 from ama . put them on 5 mxgp track and 5 ama tracks . anyone could win it would be tight championship . i do feel tomac dungey and kroc most races are better than all the ama guy s ,its only every now and then barica was able to get in . where as in MX1 except for sand the top 5 is to close to call who would win a race .
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
moto455va wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/09/19/105410/s1200_photo_64230.jpg[/img] >actually thinking the "whos faster" argument will ever come to an end


>actually thinking the "whos faster" argument will ever come to an end
zehn wrote:
Are you really trying to greentext on Vital?

Don't be that guy. Nobody here knows that shit and it just makes you look silly
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overthebars39 9/19/2015 5:25pm
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Hendricus wrote:
[b][i]OverTheBars39,[/i][/b] I will admit that I'm no expert - hence a bit naive. But I still challenge your comment, [i]"This race does not even matter to...
OverTheBars39, I will admit that I'm no expert - hence a bit naive.

But I still challenge your comment, "This race does not even matter to any of them... There's nothing to win..."

So what are we watching? An exhibition? A parade?

Just on the level of Webb and Musquin, there's racing going on.

Well..., at least that's what I'm thinking as they parade by.
' A race. But one where, i believe, a lot of those 40 guys don't give it all like they would when they are racing for a championship or their home country. 'any of them' was quite wrongfully put by me. There will be guys out there that will want to go to war with fully loaded clips.
overthebars39 9/19/2015 5:30pm
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agn5009 wrote:
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil...
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about. If you honestly don't believe that Febvre wants to beat the Americans on their home soil, then you're a bit naive
I believe you have no idea what you're talking about either.

So what now? Where is this going?

And where did i talk about Febvre specifically?
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PressPassP 9/19/2015 5:33pm
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karsmakers wrote:
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has...
So we have learned this..... The AMA riders are fast on AMA tracks and the euros are fast on GP tracks. That's why the US has never lost a Des Nations at home. To the GP supporters that say your riders are faster because they win in Europe....that is a bit much. I believe both series are equally fast and faster on their home tracks....is that fair to say? Can we end all the bullshit know with mutual respect?
brimx153 wrote:
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest...
our riders win in the US too . on US tracks. the mxon does nt mean as much when trying to find out whos the fastest imo . because the USA have a huge advantage every year. as its been said many times its very hard for any euro country to have 3 great rider . even germany only have two
karsmakers wrote:
And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted...
And who are "your riders"... the ones that came over here after winning a world championship and don't win for a few years until they've adapted? Are these AMA veterans the riders who win over here? because the GP regulars don't come over and win. And as for the USA advantage...if every race was held in the US and 37 us riders lined up against 3 GP riders would that be fair? Thats how it is now in your favor
Agree with the mutual respect,both series are equally as fast,the GP riders here are basically coming into an AMA bullring,it swings both ways

Comparing this with the MXdN isn't right though,especially the way you're suggesting,those 37 riders per race are split into 3 per team,2 per race,all from the GP series

The reverse would be to hold it in the US pick the top 3 GP riders to form a team,say Herlings,Cairoli,Febvre and divide the other 37 all into teams of 3,then race the format

The advantage the US have is the depth of virtually the whole AMA to chose a team,with an injury there's always a decent next choice,that's actually a testament to how the sport has grown over the decades,the whole industry and infastructure is pretty awesome
Holtslayer 9/19/2015 5:36pm
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Townley 11th, beating a few factory guys on a new bike and has only had a few days to dial in. Not bad for a guy racing for fun.
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Hendricus 9/19/2015 5:51pm
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Part of what makes MX so unique is the "hang it out there," "checkers or wreckers" factor. These guys must ride on the edge, but they all know that a crash can so easily mean more than a lost moto. It can mean a scrapped season, or worst of all, a shortened career.

How exactly they manage this internally is beyond me. I'm sure they conserve as much as they can. I'm also sure that they give it their all, and take it to their personal limits all the time too.
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hillbilly 9/19/2015 5:53pm
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I bet all the shaved pit hoes are distracting the euro riders.
scott_nz 9/19/2015 5:55pm
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Holtslayer wrote:
Townley 11th, beating a few factory guys on a new bike and has only had a few days to dial in. Not bad for a guy...
Townley 11th, beating a few factory guys on a new bike and has only had a few days to dial in. Not bad for a guy racing for fun.
and probably is having the most fun taking the piss out of Tyla Rattray for South Africa losing last night,

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