ISDE Starts Monday 9//15

9/10/2015 5:38am
Dam that was a long post haha.

Can't remember why Hollis could not ride, he would have been selected if he was avalible.

He did have a couple of injuries during the year, maybe needed to heal his body up, maybe funding, getting hold of a bike? really not sure.
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9/10/2015 5:55am
Definitely agree about the series and riders triangulating with great results overseas... The supercross masters wasn't just the tennis stadiums either, it had it's share of fairground and speed way circuits and produced some pretty amazing talent in a really short timeframe!

Seems like the AORC is really working, we've been strong offroad for a while–hard to imagine that Sanders isn't gonna be a factory rider somewhere too after this route.
9/10/2015 6:04am
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Definitely agree about the series and riders triangulating with great results overseas... The supercross masters wasn't just the tennis stadiums either, it had it's share of...
Definitely agree about the series and riders triangulating with great results overseas... The supercross masters wasn't just the tennis stadiums either, it had it's share of fairground and speed way circuits and produced some pretty amazing talent in a really short timeframe!

Seems like the AORC is really working, we've been strong offroad for a while–hard to imagine that Sanders isn't gonna be a factory rider somewhere too after this route.
Yeah true with SX, though by the end it was pretty much indoors with the odd outdoor round. Even in SA we moved away from Wayville and into the Entertainment centre, glad we are back at Wayville this year Smile

Yeah Sanders is a freak, only 17 still I think, 18 at the most.

From memory I think (would have to check back through results) but I think he was the only other rider apart from Hollis to take a round win this year away from Price.

Next year in Aus will be good esecially if Sanders does not get snapped up. Green back on a 450, hearing Milner may come home. I might have to get out to a few more rounds next year!


9/10/2015 6:11am
Also the AORC runs the traditional enduro format.
The A4DE also runs the exact same format as the ISDE with multiple days, special tests, work periods before and after each day and the final motocross.
The A4DE is an awesome event.

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9/10/2015 6:21am
No way Milner comes home, he hardly raced and when he did he was fast as fuck. Surely that doesn't get you on your arse, especially after winning the ISDE.
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9/10/2015 6:34am
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If they were all close to the same minute, what is the bet they were all cruising together, the guy up front fucked up and missed...
If they were all close to the same minute, what is the bet they were all cruising together, the guy up front fucked up and missed a turn or signal the rest followed blindley?

People are jumping in quickly to blame the organisers, yet only 8 out of a few hundred riders made this mistake,

If inexperienced riders in the club classes got it right, along with the rest of the top riders, but a small group of riders near each other stuffed up, it points to a mistake on the riders behalf, not the organisers.

Shit happens in the Dakar and the Rally races all the time, a group riding near each other will go off course together and it will cost them all a lot of time.

From the sounds of it, this issue happened on a transport / trail section, not a timed test, if that is the case, the penalty of being excluded does sound a little harsh as these guys did not actually make up any time on a timed test and are not the type of riders that were about to occur time penalties on the trail section.

Plus it looked like it was going to be an awesome all out battle between the U.S and Aus for the win, there was nothing seperating the two nations after three days without the penalties.
I doubt all 8 of them were just riding nose to tail like that.

I'd guess arrows got torn down or removed somehow? 6 days is notorious for locals fucking with things.

Looks like USA is screwed either way now with Duvall being out, but this DQ thing still seems bogus to me.
9/10/2015 6:51am
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I doubt all 8 of them were just riding nose to tail like that. I'd guess arrows got torn down or removed somehow? 6 days is...
I doubt all 8 of them were just riding nose to tail like that.

I'd guess arrows got torn down or removed somehow? 6 days is notorious for locals fucking with things.

Looks like USA is screwed either way now with Duvall being out, but this DQ thing still seems bogus to me.
Not to uncommon for riders to ride together on the trail section, but just a theory I put out there.

Find it more odd that the riders before and after a group of 8 had no issues

Also the fact that is was riders from a few different nations that got caught out makes it hard to think it was aimed at ruining a particular teams event.

Certainy a strange deal, Hopefully someone who knows the American who was caught up in it can find out his thoughts and what went down.



9/10/2015 7:05am
I got a text from Jeff Russell this morning saying that Thad's stator went bad and the time he lost this morning was from replacing it. Something else went wrong with Thad's bike, but not positive what yet.
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9/10/2015 9:07am
MtnBoy wrote:
I doubt all 8 of them were just riding nose to tail like that. I'd guess arrows got torn down or removed somehow? 6 days is...
I doubt all 8 of them were just riding nose to tail like that.

I'd guess arrows got torn down or removed somehow? 6 days is notorious for locals fucking with things.

Looks like USA is screwed either way now with Duvall being out, but this DQ thing still seems bogus to me.
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Not to uncommon for riders to ride together on the trail section, but just a theory I put out there. Find it more odd that the...
Not to uncommon for riders to ride together on the trail section, but just a theory I put out there.

Find it more odd that the riders before and after a group of 8 had no issues

Also the fact that is was riders from a few different nations that got caught out makes it hard to think it was aimed at ruining a particular teams event.

Certainy a strange deal, Hopefully someone who knows the American who was caught up in it can find out his thoughts and what went down.



I've been in races where a marker gets knocked down and a bunch of riders miss a turn, and then it gets put back up by a course worker (or even a rider that is back tracking...not that that is what happened here). Something like that could have happened? Not likely, but equally as likely as the group of riders cruising together and the lead rider has a brain fart and misses a turn and the others just follow through.
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9/10/2015 9:54am
I got a text from Jeff Russell this morning saying that Thad's stator went bad and the time he lost this morning was from replacing it...
I got a text from Jeff Russell this morning saying that Thad's stator went bad and the time he lost this morning was from replacing it. Something else went wrong with Thad's bike, but not positive what yet.
Didn't osbornes husky's stator go bad last year? Shit. We had a really good team this year just wasn't able to produce. Maybe next year
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9/10/2015 9:57am
We've had a really good team for lots of years now, speed is typically not the factor that keeps us out of contention.
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9/10/2015 7:05pm
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We've had a really good team for lots of years now, speed is typically not the factor that keeps us out of contention.
top 3 ISDE overall all SHR Steve Hatch Racing coached riders, Kailub Russell, Ryan Sipes and Taylor Robert...coincidence..don't think so. Too bad about Kailub, he was killing it..next year!!
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9/11/2015 11:45am
Fuck. The aussies probably backed it off with such a big lead. No way we'll make 2 minutes on the last day
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9/11/2015 11:55am
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Fuck. The aussies probably backed it off with such a big lead. No way we'll make 2 minutes on the last day
I think those DQ's totally changed Australia's strategy. Bummer deal all the way around.

The FIM should have let them race and impose any penalties AFTER the event...imposing, and then reinstating, a penalty mid race is ridiculous.
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9/11/2015 5:08pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2015 5:42pm
What a crock of shit....

Same as fuel gate.

You can't make a penalty happen so flippantly and then just overturn it during an event or series, of course it affects how things are ridden.... Bs.
9/11/2015 5:46pm
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I've been in races where a marker gets knocked down and a bunch of riders miss a turn, and then it gets put back up by...
I've been in races where a marker gets knocked down and a bunch of riders miss a turn, and then it gets put back up by a course worker (or even a rider that is back tracking...not that that is what happened here). Something like that could have happened? Not likely, but equally as likely as the group of riders cruising together and the lead rider has a brain fart and misses a turn and the others just follow through.
For sure, good chance that could have happened as well
9/11/2015 5:50pm
Yep another huge fuck up by the FIM

Aussie riders probably backed it down and played it safe with a huge lead, while French riders would have been angry and rode like they had nothing to loose.

With most of our team having a huge back ground in MX we can only hope for some slightly aggressive passes that may remove spokes from french riders wheels tomorrow lol.

Can we draft Reed in fort he final moto's and tell him that every French rider is planning on jumping on him and he can go all Canard on them?
9/11/2015 6:17pm
The Aus boys knew France was still racing with the chance of being reinstated, so I am not sure it is safe to say they backed it down. The FIM should have came to a conclusion on the night of day 3 when this happened but thankfully they still came to the right decision. From everything I have heard no time was gained from what happened and it was truly a case of poor marking. Thank you FIM for righting your wrong, but from here on out please oh please speed up your process.

Also day 3 while everyone was going 100% the french made up over an entire minute on the USA and Australia. Just saying France was ripping, give credit where credit is due.

Australia sure is looking good though, pure domination in the juniors and womens class and Daniel Milner just straight up rips! Lots to be proud of and look forward to in years to come.

Lastly, Go Sipes Go!!!
9/11/2015 6:29pm
I don't fully understand what caused the initial penalties for the French riders, 'if' they got an advantage from their offence, I just hope they are penalized at least a couple of minutes ;-)
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9/11/2015 7:47pm
I don't fully understand what caused the initial penalties for the French riders, 'if' they got an advantage from their offence, I just hope they are...
I don't fully understand what caused the initial penalties for the French riders, 'if' they got an advantage from their offence, I just hope they are penalized at least a couple of minutes ;-)
8 riders (2 of them French Trophy) missed a secret punch check and were dqed until all of them appealed and FIM reinstated all. Evidently all 8 riders (within 4 minutes of each other) got misdirected out on the trail after a checkpoint and missed the punch check and were disqualified initially. All 8 riders were allowed to continue racing until FIM had a chance to review the appeal and now the French got both riders points back and are now leading by over 2 minutes in the Trophy team. Aussie still leads the Junior Trophy and Womens overall. A short transport section on day 6 and then the final moto where I hope Sipes really puts it to them and wraps up the OA...a first for US of A!! Get em Sipes!!
9/11/2015 8:02pm
How long is the final moto test?

If it is a 30 minute moto, ever chance Australia could make up 2 minutes just with Simmonds and Ralston alone Smile

Could be a epic battle between Sipes, Simmonds and Ralston in the final moto, with that was being streamed live.

9/11/2015 8:07pm
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The Aus boys knew France was still racing with the chance of being reinstated, so I am not sure it is safe to say they backed...
The Aus boys knew France was still racing with the chance of being reinstated, so I am not sure it is safe to say they backed it down. The FIM should have came to a conclusion on the night of day 3 when this happened but thankfully they still came to the right decision. From everything I have heard no time was gained from what happened and it was truly a case of poor marking. Thank you FIM for righting your wrong, but from here on out please oh please speed up your process.

Also day 3 while everyone was going 100% the french made up over an entire minute on the USA and Australia. Just saying France was ripping, give credit where credit is due.

Australia sure is looking good though, pure domination in the juniors and womens class and Daniel Milner just straight up rips! Lots to be proud of and look forward to in years to come.

Lastly, Go Sipes Go!!!
Yeah certainly possible that was the way they were thinking and as I posted above, the Aussie boys did have a tough day on day five going by the results. A sucky situation all round.

Strange to go from the harshest of penalties to no penalty, but again until we find out all the information on why 8 riders missed a check point that 400 other riders made it through it is hard to really comment, just speculate which we are all doing.

And I am happy to admit my views could be slightly biased on the situation Smile , will be intersting to get the Aussie riders thought on how things went down when they get back to Aus.
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9/11/2015 8:13pm
It's completely fine to make a decision and turn it over, but just like Reed's black flag, or fuelgate, or any penalty, it should just be noted for review and decided AFTER the event... Otherwise you effect the outcome! The Aussies for sure have been riding to protect a considerable lead, almost 20 odd minutes at one point right?

Well two minutes on the last day is a lot but nothing over 3 days... If you know the other team is right up your ass you aren't riding anything but attack. Complete bs and another rubbish example of fim processes completely lacking in any common sense.
9/11/2015 8:23pm
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It's completely fine to make a decision and turn it over, but just like Reed's black flag, or fuelgate, or any penalty, it should just be...
It's completely fine to make a decision and turn it over, but just like Reed's black flag, or fuelgate, or any penalty, it should just be noted for review and decided AFTER the event... Otherwise you effect the outcome! The Aussies for sure have been riding to protect a considerable lead, almost 20 odd minutes at one point right?

Well two minutes on the last day is a lot but nothing over 3 days... If you know the other team is right up your ass you aren't riding anything but attack. Complete bs and another rubbish example of fim processes completely lacking in any common sense.
I know it is easy to look back in hind-sight or go with the "IFS Buts and Candy Nuts" theory

We know we are missing Strang and Price, two massive names from the team, but that was that before this event started.

But you have to think we could have been better off sacrificing the Junior Trophy team and bumped Sanders up to the World team, but again easy to say in hind-sight.

Also I have no idea if any of the other leading nations could have done the same regarding junior team members being so strong or missing top names from their line ups.

Either way makes for some good WHAT IF bench racing lol.
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9/11/2015 8:29pm
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How long is the final moto test? If it is a 30 minute moto, ever chance Australia could make up 2 minutes just with Simmonds and...
How long is the final moto test?

If it is a 30 minute moto, ever chance Australia could make up 2 minutes just with Simmonds and Ralston alone Smile

Could be a epic battle between Sipes, Simmonds and Ralston in the final moto, with that was being streamed live.

usually only 15-20 minutes
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9/11/2015 8:32pm
It's 6 laps I believe.

9/11/2015 8:36pm
Either 6 laps or 15 minutes could make it very interesting, but tough for the Aussies.

Looks like a late night of staying up and watching the live timing!

Anyone know the start order? EG what order the classes run in. Do all the faster riders from each class go first ?
9/11/2015 8:39pm
Got It now to decifer riders numbers lol.



9/11/2015 8:43pm Edited Date/Time 9/11/2015 8:51pm
aaryn #234 wrote:
Got It now to decifer riders numbers lol. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2015/09/11/104730/s1200_Heats.jpg[/img]
Got It now to decifer riders numbers lol.



Just checked rider numbers agains progressive standings.

Looks as though all the Club then Women's classes race first then into the senior trophy classes bottom 50% of E1 will race first then the top 50% of E1 in the second moto, same for E2 and E3 which will put all the top riders against each other.

Simmonds is Junior doh, he would have been handy in the MX style finish if in the Senior team.

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