Dungey on GP tracks/Competition

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8/26/2015 12:06am
Go eat a big ol' dick ...chap.
8/26/2015 12:33am
jeffro503 wrote:
Go eat a big ol' dick ...chap.
Nice quote ,

I take it you cannot point out , what you thought I said then ?

Do you recommend any particular dick , you seem to be quite partial to Manny,s don't you ?
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8/26/2015 12:53am
I must be one of the only ones in here that watches and enjoys 8 motos a week (when available obviously) I love the GPs but yes they need to fix their track prep a little, but definitely need to keep the varying conditions.. I also love the Nationals but they need to fix their track prep a little and bring in the varying conditions.. I mean the tracks look good but essentially it's the same every week..

As for Dungey saying the competition is higher in the US? I can't agree and hearing him say it is a little disappointing, but he's still one of my favourite riders..

Cut his grass in a second if I had a shot at Lyndsay though

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8/26/2015 1:00am
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Go eat a big ol' dick ...chap.
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8/26/2015 1:04am
watson wrote:
You need to stop making so much sense, or the most fervent GP fanboys may need to channel their 20+ years of repressed anger elsewhere...
The GP fanboys are no worse no better than EK298's posts.
8/26/2015 1:08am
philG wrote:
Everyone in Europe runs 2 series too, some 3 , nobody has weeks off, they all have thier own Nationals to ride in the off weekends...
Everyone in Europe runs 2 series too, some 3 , nobody has weeks off, they all have thier own Nationals to ride in the off weekends ,some guys ride in 2 national series, not much spare time here either.

So you are quite happy that there is a race on in your MX industries back yard , but most folk are crying off.

I want to see the best guys race the best guys, is that too much to ask?



I've not seen the lineup of ama racers who are attending but if it's thin on the ground then it's just ...... Well. But whatever it's...
I've not seen the lineup of ama racers who are attending but if it's thin on the ground then it's just ...... Well.
But whatever it's not their series so I can understand it if they want a holiday and to not race, however, if I was a pro racer I'd wanna whip foreigners ass coming to my back yard.

Damn right there wouldn't be an American race in Europe without the GP boys rocking up
DonM wrote:
Of course if there were an AMA race in Europe many GP riders would show up....it's amazing what racing for money will do....:) Sorry I couldn't...
Of course if there were an AMA race in Europe many GP riders would show up....it's amazing what racing for money will do....Smile Sorry I couldn't help it...
Just an FYI I do agree with Dungey on the tracks they have been shit this year for the most part...but not so much on the competition...but I do love that the real butt hurt trolls pull out his Lommel moto finishes card as a comparison...
There are some real trolls on both sides in this thread...please don't feed the trolls!
Hehe, touché don Laughing it had to be said, money makes the world go round

I'm trying really hard to get something in line to be at GH , missed the Santa Clara SX while I was over there in April, if this comes through at the right time I'll actually get to see a mx race at GH which would be cool, cooler if some Americans show up
8/26/2015 1:14am
First and foremost I'm a huge fan of the Motocross des Nations and the GPs, and have been to every California USGP since 1982. But the...
First and foremost I'm a huge fan of the Motocross des Nations and the GPs, and have been to every California USGP since 1982. But the pressure put on Team USA to win, makes racing just not a fun thing for the top riders to deal with. Team USA is expected to win, the AMA Champ is expected to win. It's why Stanton/Bradshaw/Keidrowski pulled out in 92. It's why MC raced it only twice in his career. If you win, you were supposed to. If you lose, it's cause you suck.

The criticism of Dungey not competing in both the USGP and MXDN is ridiculous, the guy has raced 6 des Nations in a row for Team USA. Winning 3, losing 3. His results in the three wins 2009 3-1, 2010 1-1, and 2011 3-2. In the three loses: 2012 7-9, 2013 6-7, and 2014 2-11. He must have forgot how to race between 2011 and 2012 or the GP guys really stepped it up or maybe the schedule change and being off of racing for over a month between the last National and the des Nations plays a factor,

Or maybe the tracks are a factor. There is nothing like Lommel in the US, and to be honest none of our National tracks get hard pack because our track crews know how to prep and build a good professional race track. You don't let racers that are 10-20 seconds a lap cut lines into a track and then let those lines bake in the afternoon sun, then flood it with water that sits on top. The hard ruts and lines that are developed by slower riders makes the tracks very different than what the GP guys should be racing on, the 60 guys that race all of the GPs should have the best track conditions as possible to race on. (The sand tracks are an exception, they can be left overnight and watered and for the most part the water will soak in.)

This isn't the 1970's anymore, we have the ability to make any track good, with the right effort and knowledge, hard pack ruts are horrible, cupped out lips are dangerous, hard pack blue groove is dangerous when wet, and it's horrible for TV and fans when dry (and before you bitch at me for not thinking hard pack is moto, I grew up racing Carlsbad Raceway blue groove, I have the road rash scars to prove it).

I think it's funny that some of you guys complain that the US tracks have perfect traction and are manicured to perfection and full of supercross jumps (I just saw a step on step off section on the last GP Track, I didn't see one of those on any National track this year) When the day starts at a National, the tracks are perfect, they should be, but by the end of practice and 160 professional rider beating on them for 2 sets of practices and 2 LCQs they are as rough as any track, add another 68 laps by 40 riders and they are nasty by the end of the day. Fixing the lips on jumps needs to be done between motos. It's negligent to leave kickers on jumps that cause the "attraction" to get hurt and hurt badly. No good riders, no fans will show up.


Back to Dungey, I know in 2013 he was still training and riding outdoors non stop after the last National to get ready for the des Nations, it was a struggle, he looked burnt out at the beginning of September and had another month to go. He wanted the track as beat up, dry, and roached out as possible to try and get it close to what the race track would be like, we had trouble coming close to replicating the actual conditions. (To get hard pack chop, he should have just went to the old school riding areas of Palm Avenue or Central, but they have been under houses for 20 years.)

While he was still riding outdoors for another 6 weeks, including the race week and traveling to Europe, his competition was taking a needed three-four week break away from the bike getting recharged and then on the Supercross tracks getting ready for Monster Cup. And like it or not the Monster Million Dollars is a bigger draw then paying out of pocket to race for your country over and over again, and you suck cause you only win 50% of the time. (Ricky Carmichael only won 50% of the des Nations he competed in too)

Then the next complaint is he should take his vacation then still race Glen Helen and the MXdN, but if he showed up to Glen Helen to race the USGP after taking off three-four weeks that he may feel he needs to recover from 7 years of constant racing and training, he wouldn't be 100%, and then if he got beat he would get criticized for being slow. So take the vacation and let Youthstream scramble for another ticket attraction.

The AMA Riders are paid to race and represent their US Based teams and sponsors, their focus is on the 17 Supercross races, 12 Nationals and the Monster Cup with Live TV in US Households racing against 20 something factory/factory backed racers in every one of those races. ( we know the GP guys race the Dutch or Belgian or British or French Nationals, but the competition level is not the same as a GP weekend) That is what they are contracted to do. Which has been the same since the mid 90s when the circuit stabilized and the USGP's went away. Supercross Prep starts on or before October 1st depending on if you are changing teams, they train up and through Christmas/New Years to A1. From January-April its Supercross All Day everyday, April-May Supercross and Outdoors testing. May-August is Motocross. September is now all about rest and recovery. And these guys need that recovery, a 10 year career is too short if the sport is going to build main stream awareness. Just when the main stream media knows who you are, you are retired.

There hasn't been any real national glory in winning a USGP since the 1986 Carlsbad USGP. Every other USGP race has been a shell of what a USGP was in the 1970s and 80s, even the Glen Helen GP's in 90,91,92 with Johnson, Ward, Bradshaw, Bayle were not well attended. The 1990's Unadilla 250 GP and the Budds Creek GPs attendance were never close to the National's attendance. And most US fans wouldn't even know or care about the results of the USGPs that have been held since Marty Moates won in 1980. Once Marty won it slowly faded away to focus completely on the US Series, where the US Fans want to watch the best riders that compete in the US. I think if RV would have made more than 4 starts the GP guys would have garnered more respect and it would have built into something more, but at this point it's not even a US versus the foreign riders that come to race in the AMA. I would say Reed, Roczen and Musquin are just as popular in the states as the American born racers. If Tony Cairoli came to race here or Herlings, they would be respected and we would think they were fast, just like we thought Tortelli and Albertyn were fast, and their fan base would grow exponentially over here.

Okay I've typed way too much and probably pissed off a bunch of Brits and GP fanboys
Not pissed off at all, bloody well written IMO. There's NOTHNG slanderous in there for people to get pissed about.

I agree with it entirely, as I'm sure many will.


8/26/2015 1:23am
TeamGreen wrote:
Here's what I see when RD makes his comments about racing in Europe or taking time off and not racing the USGP & MXoN... "I worked...
Here's what I see when RD makes his comments about racing in Europe or taking time off and not racing the USGP & MXoN...

"I worked really hard and I did EVERYTHING that I was hired to do. I'm lookng forward to some time off. As for racing in Europe? I watched RV and some of those tracks look kinda tired. So, I'm gonna go cash my checks, take some time off and get to know what being married is actually like. I might even eat some regular food. Hey, I'll see you in October."
DPR250R wrote:
I would understand if he left it at wanting to eat regular food.
European food is where it's at my friend., think on it Wink

if your heroes rock up at mxdn or the USA GP isn't the deal IMO, think it's lame if they don't and it would be great if they did (I am trying really hard to be at GH so I've hot vested interest) but I also understand they have a life, a well deserved holiday, battery recharge and they need to prep for big money earning events such as straight rhythm, monster etc. Makes perfect sense for them, (careers are short, grab the cash by all means), the point behind this is his massive screw up of words regards to the racing outside of the USA.

He has taken his nice guy image and made himself look a bit daft IMO. Somehow the conversation has evolved to GP vs bloody ama again, evolution of threads is so funny and predictable.
8/26/2015 1:24am
TeamGreen wrote:
Here's what I see when RD makes his comments about racing in Europe or taking time off and not racing the USGP & MXoN... "I worked...
Here's what I see when RD makes his comments about racing in Europe or taking time off and not racing the USGP & MXoN...

"I worked really hard and I did EVERYTHING that I was hired to do. I'm lookng forward to some time off. As for racing in Europe? I watched RV and some of those tracks look kinda tired. So, I'm gonna go cash my checks, take some time off and get to know what being married is actually like. I might even eat some regular food. Hey, I'll see you in October."
Yep, nothing wrong with that at all, fair post fella . Perhaps he should have just said that though.
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8/26/2015 1:31am
How on earth can someone spend as much time as he has with Roger DeCoster and then make the comments I just read? This goes against everything DeCoster stands for.

IS RD saying he will never again race against a European because some of the tracks in other parts of the world ard not what he thins is good, the riders are faster in the USA and because RV crashed and hurt his back in Italy.
???

Good Greef - what excuses ! He might as well say because his wife does not like European food., that would make even more sense in some weird way.

I am surprised how detached a rider can be from his sport, amazing !

It is like Dungey knows nothing about the history of the sport, tracks are not supposed to be perfect, some are supposed to be sandy, some hard packed, and some in between, that IS Motocross for crying out loud. Does he not even know that Unadilla was once a completely European track with the grass and all? And what about all the Trans AMA tracks that were clones of GP tracks.

He has been to six MXDN and it is like he has never been outside the USA. I thought his intelligence level was way higher than it now appears. The GP's are one series and the AMA nationals are another series, it is not helpful to always claim one is this way and one is the other way, just let both live in peace. Promoters from both sides should just try and take ideas from each other to improve their own side.

Now the world has the feeling RD lost a a few MXDN's and now is afraid to show up and race the Euros in France and even on an AMA track because the tracks in other countries around the world are bad and the riders are faster in the USA. What a mess !

that is for sure not the way to end an MX career Mr. Dungey. You are way better than that.

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8/26/2015 1:59am
TeamGreen wrote:
Dungey needs to "be fair" to his life, his wife, his family, his aches-pains...hell...the dude has Earned sometime off! Who else in US Moto has raced...
Dungey needs to "be fair" to his life, his wife, his family, his aches-pains...hell...the dude has Earned sometime off!

Who else in US Moto has raced the 450 SX/MX classes and won as many races and titles as Ryan over these last 4 years?

Who's done MORE MXoNs?

How T F does he owe ANYBODY ANYTHING?

You know what?

We owe him.

We owe him a "Thank You!"

For doing it right.
Im not disputing that myself at all, neither are most people from what i can see,he's entitled to that,its more his comments that seem a bit off and clearly caused predictable opinions from predictable sides of the pond

C'mon,surely deep down everyone would've liked to see him at the USGP for a match up though,it would have been pretty damn awesome,but hey it is what it is
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8/26/2015 4:06am
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make the money they do here. Before anyone fires up the old flame thrower, let me explain.

They have everything they need here. They have their families. They have access to their training facilities. They have their own beds and normal environment. They have food they're accustomed to. Travel is all in this country. I'm sure they are paid better to race the American series. Overall, the tracks probably are better. Better groomed for sure. There is less racing. They don't have to do the Saturday qualifying races. There are more reasons I'm sure.

I'm in no way saying the American series is superior in any way. I'm only stating reasons why top Americans will more than likely never consider going to Europe on a full time basis. I think it is unrealistic for any of us to presume otherwise.
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8/26/2015 4:38am
Even when the race is there,they still don't ride.
8/26/2015 4:41am
joeellis wrote:
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make...
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make the money they do here. Before anyone fires up the old flame thrower, let me explain.

They have everything they need here. They have their families. They have access to their training facilities. They have their own beds and normal environment. They have food they're accustomed to. Travel is all in this country. I'm sure they are paid better to race the American series. Overall, the tracks probably are better. Better groomed for sure. There is less racing. They don't have to do the Saturday qualifying races. There are more reasons I'm sure.

I'm in no way saying the American series is superior in any way. I'm only stating reasons why top Americans will more than likely never consider going to Europe on a full time basis. I think it is unrealistic for any of us to presume otherwise.
Because its something different, get out of your comfort zone, experience other things?
8/26/2015 5:05am
philG wrote:
Even when the race is there,they still don't ride.
Sounds like Yankee don't want none...
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8/26/2015 5:16am
joeellis wrote:
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make...
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make the money they do here. Before anyone fires up the old flame thrower, let me explain.

They have everything they need here. They have their families. They have access to their training facilities. They have their own beds and normal environment. They have food they're accustomed to. Travel is all in this country. I'm sure they are paid better to race the American series. Overall, the tracks probably are better. Better groomed for sure. There is less racing. They don't have to do the Saturday qualifying races. There are more reasons I'm sure.

I'm in no way saying the American series is superior in any way. I'm only stating reasons why top Americans will more than likely never consider going to Europe on a full time basis. I think it is unrealistic for any of us to presume otherwise.
This all is of course true, but it's just as troublesome for european riders to go to the US, yet they have because they wanted to take on the toughest competition in the world. But there is no natural law saying that the riders in the US has to be better than GP riders every single year for all times and as has happened the last 2-3 years the GP has developed and there are good reasons to think that both the top and width of the field is a little tougher in the GP's right now, so the top rider in the US really can't call himself the fastest or best rider today. There are strong arguments suggesting that he isn't. So unlike most years before, you wanna call yourself number one you have to prove it like RV2 attempted to do. And he did just fine. Actually a little better than I thought and I cannot understand one little piece of those bitching about him beeing unprepared, out of shape or slower than before. heck, he was just seconds from the winner when he crashed and I can issue a hand written guarantee to anyone requesting so that Dungey wouldn't have been there. But he would have been around throughout the whole season and might even a top 3 in the entire championship considering all injuries. Not sure he would have been much higher in the US either had ET, JS7 and TC41 been there right from the start and healthy.
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8/26/2015 5:33am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2015 5:37am
TeamGreen wrote:
Here's what I see when RD makes his comments about racing in Europe or taking time off and not racing the USGP & MXoN... "I worked...
Here's what I see when RD makes his comments about racing in Europe or taking time off and not racing the USGP & MXoN...

"I worked really hard and I did EVERYTHING that I was hired to do. I'm lookng forward to some time off. As for racing in Europe? I watched RV and some of those tracks look kinda tired. So, I'm gonna go cash my checks, take some time off and get to know what being married is actually like. I might even eat some regular food. Hey, I'll see you in October."
DPR250R wrote:
I would understand if he left it at wanting to eat regular food.
European food is where it's at my friend., think on it ;) if your heroes rock up at mxdn or the USA GP isn't the deal...
European food is where it's at my friend., think on it Wink

if your heroes rock up at mxdn or the USA GP isn't the deal IMO, think it's lame if they don't and it would be great if they did (I am trying really hard to be at GH so I've hot vested interest) but I also understand they have a life, a well deserved holiday, battery recharge and they need to prep for big money earning events such as straight rhythm, monster etc. Makes perfect sense for them, (careers are short, grab the cash by all means), the point behind this is his massive screw up of words regards to the racing outside of the USA.

He has taken his nice guy image and made himself look a bit daft IMO. Somehow the conversation has evolved to GP vs bloody ama again, evolution of threads is so funny and predictable.
I was referring to break from Aldon's diet. Not everything is about Europe.

I have a feeling Ryan's words got twisted or he was Vital troll hunting.
8/26/2015 5:45am
philG wrote:
Even when the race is there,they still don't ride.
Sounds like Yankee don't want none...
How the hell did it take 9 pages for that to come out? Tongue
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8/26/2015 5:51am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2015 5:59am
What I learned from this thread:

1.) We're going to hear about RV2's half hearted and half prepared attempt at the GP's as an absolute comparison of US vs everyone else for decades.

2.) Even when Euro's have an arguably deeper talent pool in their series, they STILL can't help but be butt hurt against the US... because deep deep down they know what reality is, we're just a big hairy American winning machine




8/26/2015 5:53am
DPR250R wrote:
I would understand if he left it at wanting to eat regular food.
European food is where it's at my friend., think on it ;) if your heroes rock up at mxdn or the USA GP isn't the deal...
European food is where it's at my friend., think on it Wink

if your heroes rock up at mxdn or the USA GP isn't the deal IMO, think it's lame if they don't and it would be great if they did (I am trying really hard to be at GH so I've hot vested interest) but I also understand they have a life, a well deserved holiday, battery recharge and they need to prep for big money earning events such as straight rhythm, monster etc. Makes perfect sense for them, (careers are short, grab the cash by all means), the point behind this is his massive screw up of words regards to the racing outside of the USA.

He has taken his nice guy image and made himself look a bit daft IMO. Somehow the conversation has evolved to GP vs bloody ama again, evolution of threads is so funny and predictable.
DPR250R wrote:
I was referring to break from Aldon's diet. Not everything is about Europe. I have a feeling Ryan's words got twisted or he was Vital troll...
I was referring to break from Aldon's diet. Not everything is about Europe.

I have a feeling Ryan's words got twisted or he was Vital troll hunting.
His words weren't twisted, they are in print in racer x. You think they changed them to aggravate the GP crowd?

Ok on the food thing, but you know they weren't his words right? That's team greens interpretation which is a fair one.
8/26/2015 6:02am
Here are some of his words. Considering he is talking of being a leader in the sport he should read this back to himself while thinking about his other comments. He's clearly taking potshots at somebody (I can't imagine who) plus he is taking pots at the other major mx series and it's talent in another question. Way to be an ambassador Ryan, great start mate.


Rx: You’ve mentioned a couple times today you’d like to be a leader for this sport. Explain what you mean by that.

RD: I’ve been in this position before—I think in 2010—and some people might say it came a little easier and I caught some lucky breaks and so forth, but regardless of all that, I was too young to really understand or take hold of the position I was in. So having a second chance to do this, I really want to make a difference and help, whether it’s on the track or having a say with the track or helping the crew or just being a good leader for the kids coming up or being a good ambassador and doing the time with the media—just fulfilling all my obligations as I should. I think a lot of guys don’t take advantage of that position. It’s all about them and when they’re going to be done. That’s all they care about. At a certain point you have to look out for yourself, but you need to look for opportunities to benefit the sport too.
8/26/2015 6:03am
jsmx97 wrote:
What I learned from this thread: 1.) We're going to hear about RV2's half hearted and half prepared attempt at the GP's as an absolute comparison...
What I learned from this thread:

1.) We're going to hear about RV2's half hearted and half prepared attempt at the GP's as an absolute comparison of US vs everyone else for decades.

2.) Even when Euro's have an arguably deeper talent pool in their series, they STILL can't help but be butt hurt against the US... because deep deep down they know what reality is, we're just a big hairy American winning machine




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8/26/2015 6:15am
His words weren't twisted, they are in print in racer x. You think they changed them to aggravate the GP crowd? Ok on the food thing...
His words weren't twisted, they are in print in racer x. You think they changed them to aggravate the GP crowd?

Ok on the food thing, but you know they weren't his words right? That's team greens interpretation which is a fair one.
Wow man... Chill the fuck out. You can't tell when someone is joking or being sarcastic?

When the did say I know anything? I said I think. The only thing I know is the Dunge got under some troll skin.
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8/26/2015 6:17am
The Rock wrote:
The GP fanboys are no worse no better than EK298's posts.
No argument here. My anti-endorsement of blind GP pom-pom wavers (which may or may not have replied in this thread) was not an endorsement of his posts in this thread in the least.
8/26/2015 6:28am
His words weren't twisted, they are in print in racer x. You think they changed them to aggravate the GP crowd? Ok on the food thing...
His words weren't twisted, they are in print in racer x. You think they changed them to aggravate the GP crowd?

Ok on the food thing, but you know they weren't his words right? That's team greens interpretation which is a fair one.
DPR250R wrote:
Wow man... Chill the fuck out. You can't tell when someone is joking or being sarcastic? When the did say I know anything? I said I...
Wow man... Chill the fuck out. You can't tell when someone is joking or being sarcastic?

When the did say I know anything? I said I think. The only thing I know is the Dunge got under some troll skin.
Nah man I'm chilled, I was being direct to the point is all, I apologise.
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8/26/2015 7:03am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2015 7:35am
We have to point than Dungey do not have the obligation to go GP's to respect his last year of contract with sponsors ...
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8/26/2015 7:10am
joeellis wrote:
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make...
I haven't read this entire thread and I'm sure this has probably been mentioned, but why would any top American go to Europe when they make the money they do here. Before anyone fires up the old flame thrower, let me explain.

They have everything they need here. They have their families. They have access to their training facilities. They have their own beds and normal environment. They have food they're accustomed to. Travel is all in this country. I'm sure they are paid better to race the American series. Overall, the tracks probably are better. Better groomed for sure. There is less racing. They don't have to do the Saturday qualifying races. There are more reasons I'm sure.

I'm in no way saying the American series is superior in any way. I'm only stating reasons why top Americans will more than likely never consider going to Europe on a full time basis. I think it is unrealistic for any of us to presume otherwise.
mbha wrote:
This all is of course true, but it's just as troublesome for european riders to go to the US, yet they have because they wanted to...
This all is of course true, but it's just as troublesome for european riders to go to the US, yet they have because they wanted to take on the toughest competition in the world. But there is no natural law saying that the riders in the US has to be better than GP riders every single year for all times and as has happened the last 2-3 years the GP has developed and there are good reasons to think that both the top and width of the field is a little tougher in the GP's right now, so the top rider in the US really can't call himself the fastest or best rider today. There are strong arguments suggesting that he isn't. So unlike most years before, you wanna call yourself number one you have to prove it like RV2 attempted to do. And he did just fine. Actually a little better than I thought and I cannot understand one little piece of those bitching about him beeing unprepared, out of shape or slower than before. heck, he was just seconds from the winner when he crashed and I can issue a hand written guarantee to anyone requesting so that Dungey wouldn't have been there. But he would have been around throughout the whole season and might even a top 3 in the entire championship considering all injuries. Not sure he would have been much higher in the US either had ET, JS7 and TC41 been there right from the start and healthy.
I agree with you whole heartedly, but being the best has to be enough motivation to cause a person to completely uproot not only themselves, but their family.

No one can call themselves a true world champion until they have competed against and defeated all the best in the world. I don't see a series in my lifetime that brings together all the best in the world. Some are just not willing to move. This includes almost all American's and some from other parts of the world. Cairoli is one who is content remaining in Europe for example. That is his decision and he certainly has that right. I respect him for that.
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8/26/2015 7:11am
jeffro503 wrote:
[b]@Kirk Chandler[/b]......awesome and very well said post! I wasn't sure I wanted to read that , but it was a breath of fresh air. Thanks for...
@Kirk Chandler......awesome and very well said post! I wasn't sure I wanted to read that , but it was a breath of fresh air. Thanks for typing all that up!
Agreed!

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