So if Peick does better in the Nationals

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philG 4/4/2015 6:29am
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The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who is out there that you would rather put on the bike.... i dont see anybody, because anyone better than Peick wouldnt want the ride , like Seely Tomac Roczen etc , and for me he is a better pick than Brayton, Weimer Baggett etc.. just because he is on an upward curve and the others are going the other way , even if its only slightly.

I rate Brayton , Short , and Millsaps as guys that are always going to be there , but they dont have what they used to have to take wins. Barcia needs to realise that sounding fast and looking fast , isnt neccessarily fast... i see lots of new guys getting old guys on as rider coaches this year, who does Barcia have in his corner. ?
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philG wrote:
The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who...
The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who is out there that you would rather put on the bike.... i dont see anybody, because anyone better than Peick wouldnt want the ride , like Seely Tomac Roczen etc , and for me he is a better pick than Brayton, Weimer Baggett etc.. just because he is on an upward curve and the others are going the other way , even if its only slightly.

I rate Brayton , Short , and Millsaps as guys that are always going to be there , but they dont have what they used to have to take wins. Barcia needs to realise that sounding fast and looking fast , isnt neccessarily fast... i see lots of new guys getting old guys on as rider coaches this year, who does Barcia have in his corner. ?
Bagget could easily contend for a title outdoors and he's beating Peick pretty often... more than the other way around right?

Barcia is/was working with Johnny O, but like Stanton, i've heard/read where he says he can't coach the modern guys how to ride, it's more little things and fitness...
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philG 4/4/2015 6:39am
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philG wrote:
The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who...
The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who is out there that you would rather put on the bike.... i dont see anybody, because anyone better than Peick wouldnt want the ride , like Seely Tomac Roczen etc , and for me he is a better pick than Brayton, Weimer Baggett etc.. just because he is on an upward curve and the others are going the other way , even if its only slightly.

I rate Brayton , Short , and Millsaps as guys that are always going to be there , but they dont have what they used to have to take wins. Barcia needs to realise that sounding fast and looking fast , isnt neccessarily fast... i see lots of new guys getting old guys on as rider coaches this year, who does Barcia have in his corner. ?
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Bagget could easily contend for a title outdoors and he's beating Peick pretty often... more than the other way around right? Barcia is/was working with Johnny...
Bagget could easily contend for a title outdoors and he's beating Peick pretty often... more than the other way around right?

Barcia is/was working with Johnny O, but like Stanton, i've heard/read where he says he can't coach the modern guys how to ride, it's more little things and fitness...
In the races where they have scored properly (i e finished , or not has a problem ) Peick has it, although i was impressed with Bagget at Daytona... and Bagget isnt hurt .

Johnny'O , the guy that could only ride a bike like it was a 125 LOL.... the thing is , its so easy to fix..
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shuggs 4/4/2015 6:42am
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Ffs Peick is injured so of course he is going to be going backwards during SX mains, I only hope that he can get (& stay) fit for outdoors

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philG wrote:
The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who...
The flip side is , at the end of this year , when Weston's deal is up, (i assume its a one year deal) , who is out there that you would rather put on the bike.... i dont see anybody, because anyone better than Peick wouldnt want the ride , like Seely Tomac Roczen etc , and for me he is a better pick than Brayton, Weimer Baggett etc.. just because he is on an upward curve and the others are going the other way , even if its only slightly.

I rate Brayton , Short , and Millsaps as guys that are always going to be there , but they dont have what they used to have to take wins. Barcia needs to realise that sounding fast and looking fast , isnt neccessarily fast... i see lots of new guys getting old guys on as rider coaches this year, who does Barcia have in his corner. ?
Crush wrote:
Bagget could easily contend for a title outdoors and he's beating Peick pretty often... more than the other way around right? Barcia is/was working with Johnny...
Bagget could easily contend for a title outdoors and he's beating Peick pretty often... more than the other way around right?

Barcia is/was working with Johnny O, but like Stanton, i've heard/read where he says he can't coach the modern guys how to ride, it's more little things and fitness...
philG wrote:
In the races where they have scored properly (i e finished , or not has a problem ) Peick has it, although i was impressed with...
In the races where they have scored properly (i e finished , or not has a problem ) Peick has it, although i was impressed with Bagget at Daytona... and Bagget isnt hurt .

Johnny'O , the guy that could only ride a bike like it was a 125 LOL.... the thing is , its so easy to fix..
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UpTiTe 4/4/2015 6:54am
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When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential.


Pieck will never get any better then he is right now.
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UpTiTe wrote:
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential. Pieck will...
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential.


Pieck will never get any better then he is right now.
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wanglimp 4/4/2015 7:28am
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I dont understand how you guys can slap the table that Peick will never get better than right now, since he has only consitantly improved since 2009. Somehow every year he gets better, but THIS YEAR, this is the one where he has peaked for sure... Wink
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PRM31 4/4/2015 7:38am
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There is no question he has stepped up his game. I still don't see him consistently threatening Dungey, Tomac, Roczen, and Canard (if he's healthy). He is definitely moving up the list of 2nd tier riders though and will displace someone for a good ride.
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h&m_cycle 4/4/2015 7:48am
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Don't think Peick has the natural talent of those top guys. He rides with heart. Maybe over his head @ times.

Him riding @ 90% might just be a 10th place rider, time will tell, I enjoy watching him ride.
TbonesPop 4/4/2015 8:06am
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Peick has a "can do" of about a 7 or 8 on a scale of 1 to 10 (at this level). But as far as "want to", he's a +10 on a scale of 1 to 10.

Most riders at this level have the "can do" of a 8-9 with a rare person like RV, RD, and JS being a 9-10. Often these riders have a "want to" of about a 7, maybe an 8. I know all these riders would personally tell you they have the "Want to" of a 10, but when it comes down to the pain of doing it they aren't as committed as they think they are. Peick epitomizes desire and "never say die". I still think he gets a podium this season in SX (keep in mind, there are lots of riders injured right now - Barcia, KR, Canard, etc). As for the outdoors, I could definitely see him getting an overall podium.

I love a great underdog and that's what Peick is. Worked his way up from nothing on his own. Couldn't be more happy for him and wish him all the best.
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Peick at least shows up.

Most other guys fart sideways and are out.



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Zracer 4/4/2015 8:27am
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UpTiTe wrote:
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential. Pieck will...
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential.


Pieck will never get any better then he is right now.
I dont get the logic in this statement. You award a ""mile of potential" to someone who hasnt really shown any improvement on a 450, while setting a limit for Peick who has done nothing but show the ability to improve.
wired4speed 4/4/2015 8:29am
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Peick made a lot of improvements in SX. Factory bikes do make a difference regardless of those who say otherwise. He absolutely can podium outdoors with some great starts. My opinion is he has the speed but I'm not sure if his fitness can compete with the 155 lb riders. Mudflaps bulked up a few years ago with poor results. He leaned out and regained his speed. I'm rooting for Peick. He has the speed and a factory ride.
Maverick313 4/4/2015 8:47am
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Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment.

2 - 250 SX titles
11 - 250 SX Wins
3 - 250 MX Wins
2- 450 SX Wins

By my count that's two titles and 16 wins more wins then Peick.
Also Barcia has 57 podiums and Peick has 0.
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Zracer 4/4/2015 9:03am
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Maverick313 wrote:
Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment. 2 - 250 SX titles 11 - 250 SX...
Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment.

2 - 250 SX titles
11 - 250 SX Wins
3 - 250 MX Wins
2- 450 SX Wins

By my count that's two titles and 16 wins more wins then Peick.
Also Barcia has 57 podiums and Peick has 0.
Well in the present ,Barcia had alot of trouble beating Peick in SX and was well behind him in points.
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KTMShane699 wrote:
I'm guessing Pieck never wins an event. This year or next. Indoors or out. He's had opportunity this year and tosses the anchor. He's been doing...
I'm guessing Pieck never wins an event. This year or next. Indoors or out. He's had opportunity this year and tosses the anchor. He's been doing respectable, but there's too many guys that have it all together. And if the anchor comes out ten minutes into a SX main, it'll come out in an outdoor moto.

I'll be surprised if he gets on the podium personally.

That said, his performance has been way better than Barcia. Then again, Barcia has been injured and not been racing. Everyone in the mains has been doing better than him.

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I agree 100%. I don't see how you guys think Peick is the next big thing. Hole shooting then dropping anchor to 8-10th is hardly impressive. How can you guys actually compare Barcia's results to Weston's when Justin has been hurt since like the fifth race?

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wildbill 4/4/2015 9:11am
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UpTiTe wrote:
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential. Pieck will...
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential.


Pieck will never get any better then he is right now.
Nice cast into the pond of Peick's fury.
Maverick313 4/4/2015 9:28am
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Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment. 2 - 250 SX titles 11 - 250 SX...
Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment.

2 - 250 SX titles
11 - 250 SX Wins
3 - 250 MX Wins
2- 450 SX Wins

By my count that's two titles and 16 wins more wins then Peick.
Also Barcia has 57 podiums and Peick has 0.
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Well in the present ,Barcia had alot of trouble beating Peick in SX and was well behind him in points.
Not sure where you got your information? At Barcia's last race at Anaheim #3 he was 6th in points and Peick wasn't even in the top ten.

Monster Energy Supercross 450 Championship Points Standings (After 5 of 17 rounds):
1. Ryan Dungey – 107pts/1 win
2. Ken Roczen – 96pts/2 wins
3. Eli Tomac – 84pts/1 win
4. Trey Canard – 84pts/1 win
5. Jason Anderson – 74pts
6. Justin Barcia – 71pts
7. Cole Seely – 67pts
8. Chad Reed – 57pts
9. Davi Millsaps – 54pts
10. Blake Baggett – 54pts
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wanglimp 4/4/2015 9:43am
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Not sure where you got your information? At Barcia's last race at Anaheim #3 he was 6th in points and Peick wasn't even in the top...
Not sure where you got your information? At Barcia's last race at Anaheim #3 he was 6th in points and Peick wasn't even in the top ten.

Monster Energy Supercross 450 Championship Points Standings (After 5 of 17 rounds):
1. Ryan Dungey – 107pts/1 win
2. Ken Roczen – 96pts/2 wins
3. Eli Tomac – 84pts/1 win
4. Trey Canard – 84pts/1 win
5. Jason Anderson – 74pts
6. Justin Barcia – 71pts
7. Cole Seely – 67pts
8. Chad Reed – 57pts
9. Davi Millsaps – 54pts
10. Blake Baggett – 54pts
Ok, nice skewed results you posted there since Peick only raced the first 2 rounds of course he is going to be behind by round 5 man. Your post is just as good as if I said that after 13 rounds Peick has 108 and Barcia only has 71. Now who looks better? Neither because they both missed a different amount of races.
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BobbyM 4/4/2015 9:46am
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stewie94 wrote:
the late obsession with weston is unreal lol , weston aint goona hold tht high intensity the whole moto, he'll be lucky to get a podium...
the late obsession with weston is unreal lol , weston aint goona hold tht high intensity the whole moto, he'll be lucky to get a podium this outdoor season
Dumbshit..
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DownSouth 4/4/2015 9:47am
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Maverick313 wrote:
Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment. 2 - 250 SX titles 11 - 250 SX...
Why all the hate on Barcia again and his past has shown he is worth the investment.

2 - 250 SX titles
11 - 250 SX Wins
3 - 250 MX Wins
2- 450 SX Wins

By my count that's two titles and 16 wins more wins then Peick.
Also Barcia has 57 podiums and Peick has 0.
Zracer wrote:
Well in the present ,Barcia had alot of trouble beating Peick in SX and was well behind him in points.
Maverick313 wrote:
Not sure where you got your information? At Barcia's last race at Anaheim #3 he was 6th in points and Peick wasn't even in the top...
Not sure where you got your information? At Barcia's last race at Anaheim #3 he was 6th in points and Peick wasn't even in the top ten.

Monster Energy Supercross 450 Championship Points Standings (After 5 of 17 rounds):
1. Ryan Dungey – 107pts/1 win
2. Ken Roczen – 96pts/2 wins
3. Eli Tomac – 84pts/1 win
4. Trey Canard – 84pts/1 win
5. Jason Anderson – 74pts
6. Justin Barcia – 71pts
7. Cole Seely – 67pts
8. Chad Reed – 57pts
9. Davi Millsaps – 54pts
10. Blake Baggett – 54pts
You are a bit off. Peick broke his foot in Phoenix at rd 2. He tried to ride the next round and re-broke his foot after the screw was put in and was out for the next several weeks before Barcia got hurt.

Peick and Barcia only had 2 races together.

After Phoenix the points were:

1. Roczen 47
2. Dungey 38
3. Anderson 37
4. Canard 33
5. Peick 32
6. Short 30
7. Tomac 26
8. Barcia 25
9. Tickle 22
10. Weimer 22

There is no way to draw any conclusions from 2 races and a 7 point difference.
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BobbyM 4/4/2015 9:52am
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KTMShane699 wrote:
I'm guessing Pieck never wins an event. This year or next. Indoors or out. He's had opportunity this year and tosses the anchor. He's been doing...
I'm guessing Pieck never wins an event. This year or next. Indoors or out. He's had opportunity this year and tosses the anchor. He's been doing respectable, but there's too many guys that have it all together. And if the anchor comes out ten minutes into a SX main, it'll come out in an outdoor moto.

I'll be surprised if he gets on the podium personally.

That said, his performance has been way better than Barcia. Then again, Barcia has been injured and not been racing. Everyone in the mains has been doing better than him.

Shane
Maybe the pain from the injuries is slowing him down at the half way point of the race. Fact is nobody but Weston is showing improvement at the pace he has been improving. His improvement rate is not very common and damn near impossible. Name another racer that has conquered the learning curve like Weston has and still is. No ceiling in site at this point for Weston.
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BobbyM 4/4/2015 9:57am
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UpTiTe wrote:
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential. Pieck will...
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential.


Pieck will never get any better then he is right now.
Zracer wrote:
I dont get the logic in this statement. You award a ""mile of potential" to someone who hasnt really shown any improvement on a 450, while...
I dont get the logic in this statement. You award a ""mile of potential" to someone who hasnt really shown any improvement on a 450, while setting a limit for Peick who has done nothing but show the ability to improve.
Uptite isn't ALWAYS right...
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wanglimp 4/4/2015 9:58am
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Maybe the pain from the injuries is slowing him down at the half way point of the race. Fact is nobody but Weston is showing improvement...
Maybe the pain from the injuries is slowing him down at the half way point of the race. Fact is nobody but Weston is showing improvement at the pace he has been improving. His improvement rate is not very common and damn near impossible. Name another racer that has conquered the learning curve like Weston has and still is. No ceiling in site at this point for Weston.
This^^

And despite all the improvement, people still somehow make statements like he has peaked and will stay where he is result wise. I dont understand that logic.
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Well in the present ,Barcia had alot of trouble beating Peick in SX and was well behind him in points.
They raced each other twice. Peick was 7pts better after 2 rounds and each guy beat the other once.

A1 Barica started 14th, finished 6th. Peick started 9th and finished 7th.

Phoenix Peick started 4th and finished 4th. Barcia started 22nd and finished 11th.
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UpTiTe wrote:
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential. Pieck will...
When/if Barcia figures out a 450, he will be a force. He is a highly talented rider that still has a mile of potential.


Pieck will never get any better then he is right now.
Zracer wrote:
I dont get the logic in this statement. You award a ""mile of potential" to someone who hasnt really shown any improvement on a 450, while...
I dont get the logic in this statement. You award a ""mile of potential" to someone who hasnt really shown any improvement on a 450, while setting a limit for Peick who has done nothing but show the ability to improve.
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Uptite isn't ALWAYS right...
And he is incorrect in what he said. 2 years ago everyone would have been saying "Peick will never top 10" or "Peick can't improve he is too big to ride" and now he is a top 5 guy, and very often throwing in the fastest time of the race. He continues to improve and will improve more and more over the years.

If ANYTHING Weston is on the up and Barcia is on the down. Barcia won 2 races his rookie year, 0 his second year and this year looked way off the pace. Weston is the one improving.
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Peick's biggest problem is fitness so why would he get better results at the Nationals where it's 30+2 in 80-90 degree heat? I love Peick but even in SX he can only go like 10 laps before he fades big time.
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wanglimp 4/4/2015 10:16am
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Peick's biggest problem is fitness so why would he get better results at the Nationals where it's 30+2 in 80-90 degree heat? I love Peick but...
Peick's biggest problem is fitness so why would he get better results at the Nationals where it's 30+2 in 80-90 degree heat? I love Peick but even in SX he can only go like 10 laps before he fades big time.
I only think he may do better because he usually is better in MX. He had no problem finishing moto's the last 2 years so I think he will be fine. As far as the way his fitness looks in SX this year, I think his injuries are playing a part, and that may also carry over to MX. We'll see once MX starts I guess.

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