The Height of FIM Arrogance

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12/21/2014 11:29pm Edited Date/Time 12/21/2014 11:30pm
How much alcohol is .1 g/L


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P1. ALCOHOL
Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited In-Competition only, in the following sports.
Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood. The doping
violation threshold is equivalent to a blood alcohol concentration of 0.10 g/L.
• Air Sports (FAI)
• Archery (WA)
• Automobile (FIA)
• Karate (WKF)
• Motorcycling (FIM)
• Powerboating (UIM)
12/22/2014 12:01am
CR250Rider wrote:
Scott_nz mentioned it in another thread. I can't believe you missed it ! You live here Jeffro! ;) sorry I don't remember which one, there have...
Scott_nz mentioned it in another thread. I can't believe you missed it ! You live here Jeffro! Wink
sorry I don't remember which one, there have been probably 50
it was a road racer, Australian Ant West, i don't know of any high profile mx riders that have failed tests since Coppins in 2002, but we all agree the world has moved on in regards to sports doping since then,

the FIM cover world championships in all motorcycle sports, there has been a couple of speedway riders test positive for drugs this year as well,
12/22/2014 12:08am
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[url=http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/rumors-gossip-unfounded-truths-most-about-james-stewart]Great link to MXA here[/url] In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s...
Great link to MXA here

In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s were fined, lost points and had to pay the FIM hearing costs. Bartolini’s sample contained nandrolone (anabolic steroid), while Van Doorn’s contains amfepramone (a derivative of amphetamine). Claudio Federici who was second in the 1999 125 World Championship failed a drug test for a metabolite of cocaine in 2002 and was suspended for 6-months. Josh Coppins tested six times over the limit for the stimulant pseudo-ephedrine, which he said he got from taking an over-the-counter hay fever tablet. Since ephedrine typically carries a 3-month ban, Coppins was given a 3-month ban, but it was suspended. But, he lost the points he earned at that race. Road racer Noriyuki Haga tested positive for Ephedrine in 2000 and received a one-month ban and had his points deducted. Haga lost 25 points during his ban and lost the WSBC to Colin Edwards. In November of 2013, MotoGP road racer Anthony West failed for methylhexaneamine (which he said he got from an energy drink). Originally, he got a one month ban from the FIM, but WADA appealed the decision and West was given an 18-month ban. In 2013, World Sidecar Cross competitor Lauris Daiders tested positive for the substance clenbuterol and got a 15-month ban. Want more? Back in 1975 an AMA rider named Ron Self told the AMA that his license application was “in the mail” and they let him race the Hangtown National. It turns out that Ron mailed the application to the AMA the day after Hangtown. They banned him from racing for 12 months! And that was for paperwork mistake.
MXA hit it out of the park with that article,

Bet Stewart does not do another MXA interview for a long time,
12/22/2014 12:43am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 12:43am
its interesting researching Patryk Dudek, a young polish speedway rider that tested positive for PEDS at a local teams meeting,


Tested Positive June 22, first press release with a suspension waiting for a trial was September 8

http://www.monsterenergyswc.com/news/article/3571/dudek-suspended

FIM banned him for a year from August 8th, (he must have plead guilty for it to be that quick, remember Stewart did not give his medical documents until september for his defence), but his own federation banned him for 2 years from representing their country at the World Speedway GP's,

http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3683/one-year-ban-for-dudek

and Darcy Ward is another interesting read, he failed a alcohol breath test at a Speedway GP, he was booted out of that GP, then returned to non GP racing, before being suspended from everything until the hearing, can't find if that hearing had taken place,

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/2014/august/aug2814-wardsuspended/

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12/22/2014 1:40am Edited Date/Time 12/23/2014 4:11am
steed 2.0 wrote:
[i]"The largest percentage of bikes are sold in the USA"[/i] You know why, the European Union ain't a Country example: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_between_U.S._states_and_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29]Comparison between U.S. states and countries...
"The largest percentage of bikes are sold in the USA" You know why, the European Union ain't a Country

example: Comparison between U.S. states and countries by GDP (nominal)
European Union 16,721,383 vs 16,244,600 United States is the largest because European Union ain't a Country






I agree with you in spirit but the image contains many errors. Size(GDP) countrys vs states.
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12/22/2014 2:14am
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I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying. [b]Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social...
I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying.

Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social media to back James Stewart, and I have spoken to a lot of guys who are shocked and bummed that it’s all come to this—I personally think that it’s way too harsh a penalty, for what is effectively a prescribed drug that he is now allowed to use by the FIM’s own standards. He didn’t have his paperwork in, but did anyone at the FIM conduct a pre-supercross meeting to educate Stewart and all of the other athletes about the perils of taking prescribed medication without conferring with the FIM and reading the vast codes and do’s and don’ts of prescribed medication?
I forgot that professionals had to be educated not to take PEDs Silly
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12/22/2014 2:14am
GDP. Not size.
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its interesting researching Patryk Dudek, a young polish speedway rider that tested positive for PEDS at a local teams meeting, Tested Positive June 22, first press...
its interesting researching Patryk Dudek, a young polish speedway rider that tested positive for PEDS at a local teams meeting,


Tested Positive June 22, first press release with a suspension waiting for a trial was September 8

http://www.monsterenergyswc.com/news/article/3571/dudek-suspended

FIM banned him for a year from August 8th, (he must have plead guilty for it to be that quick, remember Stewart did not give his medical documents until september for his defence), but his own federation banned him for 2 years from representing their country at the World Speedway GP's,

http://www.speedwaygp.com/news/article/3683/one-year-ban-for-dudek

and Darcy Ward is another interesting read, he failed a alcohol breath test at a Speedway GP, he was booted out of that GP, then returned to non GP racing, before being suspended from everything until the hearing, can't find if that hearing had taken place,

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/2014/august/aug2814-wardsuspended/

Did it take Stewy till Sept to get his docs in? So really it took the FIM 3 months to hand in a decision?
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12/22/2014 2:21am
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I agree with you in spirit but the image contains many errors. Size(GDP) countrys vs states.
Error Impossible ! Vital is all about the "logical' truth

That being said, some folks lack any form of Logic



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12/22/2014 2:33am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 3:08am
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From DC in Racerhead: So the FIM threw the book at Stewart, eight months after the test, and they also changed the race results—even his Lucas...
From DC in Racerhead:

So the FIM threw the book at Stewart, eight months after the test, and they also changed the race results—even his Lucas Oil Pro Motocross finishes, though he was not suspended for their races (MX Sports and the series are AMA Pro Racing events, not AMA, and thus not a signatory of the FIM rules and WADA code). To this day, no one from the FIM has contacted MX Sports Pro Racing about Stewart’s eligibility from his last summer or told us they wanted to erase his results.

Let's hear it, all you FIM apologists.
According to Weege here http://racerxonline.com/2014/12/19/450-words-frequently-asked-stewart-q… Stewarts TUE was not approved until October meaning that WADA and the FIM probably considered any race results prior to that date to be null and void. If the FIM did not keep the AMA or MXSports informed then that does seem rather poor of them.

Weege kind of explained some of the implications of Stewarts suspension on RacerX last summer.
http://racerxonline.com/2014/06/25/rapid-reaxtion-why-stewart-can-race?lb

The answer lies in the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) code. If you want to make yourself dizzy, try reading through it here. (Oh, the difficulty in not using a joke about ADD or ADHD when mentioning how hard it is to read through a 136-page document of medical and legal jargon).

First, the FIM has given James a provisional suspension. According to the WADA code, Provisional Suspensions make an athlete ineligible to compete only in Signatory events, which means events directly sanctioned by the organization using the WADA code. That would be FIM events, in our sport. The Nationals, sanctioned by AMA Pro Racing, are non-Signatory events. Here’s the actual text, from section 7.5 of the WADA code (on page 45):

7.5 Principles Applicable to Provisional Suspension
7.5.1
Mandatory Provisional Suspension after A Sample Adverse Analytical Finding Signatories shall adopt rules, applicable to any Event for which the Signatory is the ruling body or for any team selection process for which the Signatory is responsible or where the Signatory is the applicable International Federation or has results management authority over the alleged anti-doping rule violation, providing that when an A Sample Adverse Analytical Finding is received for a Prohibited Substance, other than a Specified Substance, a Provisional Suspension shall be imposed promptly after the review and notification described in Articles 7.1 and 7.2.


The Provisional Suspension did indeed happen. But the AMA Pro Racing sanctioned Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship is not a Signatory event. It’s non-Signatory as defined in the WADA code. Provisional Suspensions do not apply and, most important, can’t be applied. There is nothing in the Nationals rulebook that would make it possible for MX Sports to suspend Stewart from competition this weekend. If they tried to suspend him, it would be very easy for Stewart’s side to explain that the rules don’t allow it.

Further, there’s a note for this 7.5 code that says

Comment to Article 7.5: Before a Provisional Suspension can be unilaterally imposed by an Anti-Doping Organization, the internal review specified in the Code must first be completed. In addition, a Signatory imposing a Provisional Suspension is required to give the Athlete an opportunity for a Provisional Hearing either before or promptly after the imposition of the Provisional Suspension, or an expedited final hearing under Article 8 promptly after imposition of the Provisional Suspension.

This basically says even for Signatory events, the Provisional Suspension can’t be imposed until the athlete gets an opportunity for a Provisional Hearing. Stewart hasn’t had one yet, so as of today, at least, Stewart wouldn’t be suspended from anything. Not even a GP with a direct FIM sanction.

You’ll note the use of “as of today” and “as of now” quite a bit in this story. Provisional Suspensions don’t last forever, and James will eventually have his case heard. We don’t know how that will turn out. If he’s found innocent, than he can obviously continue racing as if none of this ever happened (reputation be damned). If he’s found guilty, though, his status moves from Provisionally Suspended to Ineligible, and that’s much worse. Ineligible status applies to not only Signatory events, but also to non-Signatory events. On page 74, in a note for Article 10.10.1, it says:

Further, an ineligible Athlete may not compete in a non-Signatory professional league (e.g., the National Hockey League, the National Basketball Association, etc.), Events organized by a non-Signatory International Event organization or a non-Signatory national-level event organization without triggering the consequences set forth in Article 10.10.2. Sanctions in one sport will also be recognized by other sports (see Article 15.4 Mutual Recognition).

To sum up: Provisionally Suspended means you can compete in a non-Signatory event. Ineligible means you can’t. That’s all the difference right now. It’s true that in cycling, for example, or baseball, athletes that were found guilty ended up banned from everything, in every country. But those athletes were declared Ineligible.
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How much alcohol is .1 g/L [url=http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/user_upload/documents/CMI/FIM_ANTI-DOPING_CODE__updated_as_from_July_2014_.pdf]Page 65[/url] P1. ALCOHOL Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited In-Competition only, in the following sports. Detection will be conducted by analysis...
How much alcohol is .1 g/L


Page 65
P1. ALCOHOL
Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited In-Competition only, in the following sports.
Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood. The doping
violation threshold is equivalent to a blood alcohol concentration of 0.10 g/L.
• Air Sports (FAI)
• Archery (WA)
• Automobile (FIA)
• Karate (WKF)
• Motorcycling (FIM)
• Powerboating (UIM)
Whew... At least I can still drink during shooting competitions.Wink
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12/22/2014 3:10am
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According to Weege here http://racerxonline.com/2014/12/19/450-words-frequently-asked-stewart-questions Stewarts TUE was not approved until October meaning that WADA and the FIM probably considered any race results prior to that...
According to Weege here http://racerxonline.com/2014/12/19/450-words-frequently-asked-stewart-q… Stewarts TUE was not approved until October meaning that WADA and the FIM probably considered any race results prior to that date to be null and void. If the FIM did not keep the AMA or MXSports informed then that does seem rather poor of them.

Weege kind of explained some of the implications of Stewarts suspension on RacerX last summer.
http://racerxonline.com/2014/06/25/rapid-reaxtion-why-stewart-can-race?lb

The answer lies in the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA) code. If you want to make yourself dizzy, try reading through it here. (Oh, the difficulty in not using a joke about ADD or ADHD when mentioning how hard it is to read through a 136-page document of medical and legal jargon).

First, the FIM has given James a provisional suspension. According to the WADA code, Provisional Suspensions make an athlete ineligible to compete only in Signatory events, which means events directly sanctioned by the organization using the WADA code. That would be FIM events, in our sport. The Nationals, sanctioned by AMA Pro Racing, are non-Signatory events. Here’s the actual text, from section 7.5 of the WADA code (on page 45):

7.5 Principles Applicable to Provisional Suspension
7.5.1
Mandatory Provisional Suspension after A Sample Adverse Analytical Finding Signatories shall adopt rules, applicable to any Event for which the Signatory is the ruling body or for any team selection process for which the Signatory is responsible or where the Signatory is the applicable International Federation or has results management authority over the alleged anti-doping rule violation, providing that when an A Sample Adverse Analytical Finding is received for a Prohibited Substance, other than a Specified Substance, a Provisional Suspension shall be imposed promptly after the review and notification described in Articles 7.1 and 7.2.


The Provisional Suspension did indeed happen. But the AMA Pro Racing sanctioned Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship is not a Signatory event. It’s non-Signatory as defined in the WADA code. Provisional Suspensions do not apply and, most important, can’t be applied. There is nothing in the Nationals rulebook that would make it possible for MX Sports to suspend Stewart from competition this weekend. If they tried to suspend him, it would be very easy for Stewart’s side to explain that the rules don’t allow it.

Further, there’s a note for this 7.5 code that says

Comment to Article 7.5: Before a Provisional Suspension can be unilaterally imposed by an Anti-Doping Organization, the internal review specified in the Code must first be completed. In addition, a Signatory imposing a Provisional Suspension is required to give the Athlete an opportunity for a Provisional Hearing either before or promptly after the imposition of the Provisional Suspension, or an expedited final hearing under Article 8 promptly after imposition of the Provisional Suspension.

This basically says even for Signatory events, the Provisional Suspension can’t be imposed until the athlete gets an opportunity for a Provisional Hearing. Stewart hasn’t had one yet, so as of today, at least, Stewart wouldn’t be suspended from anything. Not even a GP with a direct FIM sanction.

You’ll note the use of “as of today” and “as of now” quite a bit in this story. Provisional Suspensions don’t last forever, and James will eventually have his case heard. We don’t know how that will turn out. If he’s found innocent, than he can obviously continue racing as if none of this ever happened (reputation be damned). If he’s found guilty, though, his status moves from Provisionally Suspended to Ineligible, and that’s much worse. Ineligible status applies to not only Signatory events, but also to non-Signatory events. On page 74, in a note for Article 10.10.1, it says:

Further, an ineligible Athlete may not compete in a non-Signatory professional league (e.g., the National Hockey League, the National Basketball Association, etc.), Events organized by a non-Signatory International Event organization or a non-Signatory national-level event organization without triggering the consequences set forth in Article 10.10.2. Sanctions in one sport will also be recognized by other sports (see Article 15.4 Mutual Recognition).

To sum up: Provisionally Suspended means you can compete in a non-Signatory event. Ineligible means you can’t. That’s all the difference right now. It’s true that in cycling, for example, or baseball, athletes that were found guilty ended up banned from everything, in every country. But those athletes were declared Ineligible.
Wonder if the TDF gets notified by UCI if a tour cyclist gets done?

or IOC host cities for a sprinter? I'd imagine the PR from FIM is them considering everyone else as notified...
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12/22/2014 3:23am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 3:23am
Yeah I guess, but you can understand their frustration at being left in the dark. That's what probably caused most of the indignation from the likes of Rob Dingham.
12/22/2014 3:36am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 3:44am
burn1986 wrote:
Ehh, this is all conjecture. Who cares if the FIM contacted MX Sports? Stewart still remains banned, and the Racerhead article smells a little like BS...
Ehh, this is all conjecture. Who cares if the FIM contacted MX Sports? Stewart still remains banned, and the Racerhead article smells a little like BS, or someone trying to divert attention away from themselves.
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I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying. [b]Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social...
I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying.

Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social media to back James Stewart, and I have spoken to a lot of guys who are shocked and bummed that it’s all come to this—I personally think that it’s way too harsh a penalty, for what is effectively a prescribed drug that he is now allowed to use by the FIM’s own standards. He didn’t have his paperwork in, but did anyone at the FIM conduct a pre-supercross meeting to educate Stewart and all of the other athletes about the perils of taking prescribed medication without conferring with the FIM and reading the vast codes and do’s and don’ts of prescribed medication?
Has the IRS ever explained to you what happens if you don't fill out your taxes appropriately and file them on time ??????

The guy in the black suit comes to your house and explains it rather nicely, after you screw up. Ignorance is of no justifiable excuse for breaking a law/rule.
12/22/2014 3:42am
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[url=http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/rumors-gossip-unfounded-truths-most-about-james-stewart]Great link to MXA here[/url] In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s...
Great link to MXA here

In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s were fined, lost points and had to pay the FIM hearing costs. Bartolini’s sample contained nandrolone (anabolic steroid), while Van Doorn’s contains amfepramone (a derivative of amphetamine). Claudio Federici who was second in the 1999 125 World Championship failed a drug test for a metabolite of cocaine in 2002 and was suspended for 6-months. Josh Coppins tested six times over the limit for the stimulant pseudo-ephedrine, which he said he got from taking an over-the-counter hay fever tablet. Since ephedrine typically carries a 3-month ban, Coppins was given a 3-month ban, but it was suspended. But, he lost the points he earned at that race. Road racer Noriyuki Haga tested positive for Ephedrine in 2000 and received a one-month ban and had his points deducted. Haga lost 25 points during his ban and lost the WSBC to Colin Edwards. In November of 2013, MotoGP road racer Anthony West failed for methylhexaneamine (which he said he got from an energy drink). Originally, he got a one month ban from the FIM, but WADA appealed the decision and West was given an 18-month ban. In 2013, World Sidecar Cross competitor Lauris Daiders tested positive for the substance clenbuterol and got a 15-month ban. Want more? Back in 1975 an AMA rider named Ron Self told the AMA that his license application was “in the mail” and they let him race the Hangtown National. It turns out that Ron mailed the application to the AMA the day after Hangtown. They banned him from racing for 12 months! And that was for paperwork mistake.
So what you're saying is.....there is actually precedent set forth regarding these issues. Pretty sure js7 is just going to have to sit on the sidelines.
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12/22/2014 4:18am
CR250Rider wrote:
[url=http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/rumors-gossip-unfounded-truths-most-about-james-stewart]Great link to MXA here[/url] In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s...
Great link to MXA here

In 2001 Gert-Jan Van Doorn was suspended from racing for 18 months, while Andrea Bartolini got a 6-month ban. Both rider’s were fined, lost points and had to pay the FIM hearing costs. Bartolini’s sample contained nandrolone (anabolic steroid), while Van Doorn’s contains amfepramone (a derivative of amphetamine). Claudio Federici who was second in the 1999 125 World Championship failed a drug test for a metabolite of cocaine in 2002 and was suspended for 6-months. Josh Coppins tested six times over the limit for the stimulant pseudo-ephedrine, which he said he got from taking an over-the-counter hay fever tablet. Since ephedrine typically carries a 3-month ban, Coppins was given a 3-month ban, but it was suspended. But, he lost the points he earned at that race. Road racer Noriyuki Haga tested positive for Ephedrine in 2000 and received a one-month ban and had his points deducted. Haga lost 25 points during his ban and lost the WSBC to Colin Edwards. In November of 2013, MotoGP road racer Anthony West failed for methylhexaneamine (which he said he got from an energy drink). Originally, he got a one month ban from the FIM, but WADA appealed the decision and West was given an 18-month ban. In 2013, World Sidecar Cross competitor Lauris Daiders tested positive for the substance clenbuterol and got a 15-month ban. Want more? Back in 1975 an AMA rider named Ron Self told the AMA that his license application was “in the mail” and they let him race the Hangtown National. It turns out that Ron mailed the application to the AMA the day after Hangtown. They banned him from racing for 12 months! And that was for paperwork mistake.
So that is what happened to Self...hmmm guess he "Self destructed". Hahahaha...
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So what you're saying is.....there is actually precedent set forth regarding these issues. Pretty sure js7 is just going to have to sit on the sidelines.
Exactly right. There was always precedent for the ban JS7 received. The length is pretty much what you'd expect it to be considering the other cases.

That's not something that anyone who's shouting that JS's ban was unfair, too long, or all an FIM conspiracy has bothered to consider. And why would they? Why spoil a good anti-Europe rant with facts?
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12/22/2014 5:11am
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Did it take Stewy till Sept to get his docs in? So really it took the FIM 3 months to hand in a decision?
Anybody? If this is the case I don't really see a problem with how long it took the FIM.
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12/22/2014 5:32am
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Did it take Stewy till Sept to get his docs in? So really it took the FIM 3 months to hand in a decision?
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Anybody? If this is the case I don't really see a problem with how long it took the FIM.
I've been looking, although admittedly not hard for that bit, because the time seems to be bothering a lot of people, but I'd also read James was doing this and that to get his paper work together... And that shit always takes time. Took me almost a year to get an ankle reco done cleared by insurance and I was on fucking crutches the entire time....
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12/22/2014 5:43am
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They're just the motorcycle sports version of America to the rest of the world. Puts their nose wherever they want, craving for power and push people...
They're just the motorcycle sports version of America to the rest of the world. Puts their nose wherever they want, craving for power and push people around. Get used to it. Wink
If not for America youd be eating sour kraut and weiners right now and the only blondes with blue eyes youd see would have a gun stock slamming it again your head for beening a dumbass.
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12/22/2014 5:46am
burn1986 wrote:
Ehh, this is all conjecture. Who cares if the FIM contacted MX Sports? Stewart still remains banned, and the Racerhead article smells a little like BS...
Ehh, this is all conjecture. Who cares if the FIM contacted MX Sports? Stewart still remains banned, and the Racerhead article smells a little like BS, or someone trying to divert attention away from themselves.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying. [b]Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social...
I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying.

Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social media to back James Stewart, and I have spoken to a lot of guys who are shocked and bummed that it’s all come to this—I personally think that it’s way too harsh a penalty, for what is effectively a prescribed drug that he is now allowed to use by the FIM’s own standards. He didn’t have his paperwork in, but did anyone at the FIM conduct a pre-supercross meeting to educate Stewart and all of the other athletes about the perils of taking prescribed medication without conferring with the FIM and reading the vast codes and do’s and don’ts of prescribed medication?
Has the IRS ever explained to you what happens if you don't fill out your taxes appropriately and file them on time ?????? The guy in...
Has the IRS ever explained to you what happens if you don't fill out your taxes appropriately and file them on time ??????

The guy in the black suit comes to your house and explains it rather nicely, after you screw up. Ignorance is of no justifiable excuse for breaking a law/rule.
Yes, I know how the IRS works.

I was quoting DC from Racerhead.
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So what you're saying is.....there is actually precedent set forth regarding these issues. Pretty sure js7 is just going to have to sit on the sidelines.
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Exactly right. There was always precedent for the ban JS7 received. The length is pretty much what you'd expect it to be considering the other cases...
Exactly right. There was always precedent for the ban JS7 received. The length is pretty much what you'd expect it to be considering the other cases.

That's not something that anyone who's shouting that JS's ban was unfair, too long, or all an FIM conspiracy has bothered to consider. And why would they? Why spoil a good anti-Europe rant with facts?
Truthfully I don't think anyone knew a rider could get suspended this long for not getting a TUE for his prescription, we are much more familiar with the NFL and other American sports rules. We can scream the riders should have known all we want, but people are still going to think the penalties are way too harsh, and should be more in line with American sports.
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They're just the motorcycle sports version of America to the rest of the world. Puts their nose wherever they want, craving for power and push people...
They're just the motorcycle sports version of America to the rest of the world. Puts their nose wherever they want, craving for power and push people around. Get used to it. Wink
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If not for America youd be eating sour kraut and weiners right now and the only blondes with blue eyes youd see would have a gun...
If not for America youd be eating sour kraut and weiners right now and the only blondes with blue eyes youd see would have a gun stock slamming it again your head for beening a dumbass.
Yeah you're right. Of course, America saved the world. Britain played no part in that whatsoever????? Ha
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This whole thing has turned into a mess. Yes we need drug testing but I don't think we need these organizations controlling the sport. To me...
This whole thing has turned into a mess. Yes we need drug testing but I don't think we need these organizations controlling the sport. To me taking away his results outdoors is the same as banning him for nor having the tue. "Hey it's ok to be on adderal and hey go race, oh wait actually it's not ok but once this year is over it will be ok again". Wtf.

I know deep down inside many racers are happy james won't be there because he is a title threat and from what I understand this drug testing was voted in. I forget what jt$ Exactly said something like a sport needs this drug testing to be taken serious. I'm pretty sure this is backfiring right now.
rippaaa wrote:
Hard to be taken serious when a decision takes 8 months to make and also nobody knows what he is banned from and you also have...
Hard to be taken serious when a decision takes 8 months to make and also nobody knows what he is banned from and you also have a governing body telling another governing body they are unprofessional.

In order to be taken seriously kick FIM out, end of story. American MX should be sanctioned by Americans, Canadian MX by Canadians, Australian MX by Aussies, etc etc etc (Look how well organised the CMRC is, that's what you want, no politics nothing.)
Sounds awesome. American MX can allow amphetamines for American riders as long as it's a big name. Just get the clearance a few months after you fail the test because you have big sponsors.

Seriously though, he failed the test and the penalty is about right. Getting clearance AFTER you fail the test doesn't cut it. It's kind of an anti climax to a good career and it must be killing the fanboys to see him go out this way but everyone wanted to clean up the obvious PED issue and this is step one. At least it proves nobody is too big to get caught.
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djc wrote:
This whole thing has turned into a mess. Yes we need drug testing but I don't think we need these organizations controlling the sport. To me...
This whole thing has turned into a mess. Yes we need drug testing but I don't think we need these organizations controlling the sport. To me taking away his results outdoors is the same as banning him for nor having the tue. "Hey it's ok to be on adderal and hey go race, oh wait actually it's not ok but once this year is over it will be ok again". Wtf.

I know deep down inside many racers are happy james won't be there because he is a title threat and from what I understand this drug testing was voted in. I forget what jt$ Exactly said something like a sport needs this drug testing to be taken serious. I'm pretty sure this is backfiring right now.
rippaaa wrote:
Hard to be taken serious when a decision takes 8 months to make and also nobody knows what he is banned from and you also have...
Hard to be taken serious when a decision takes 8 months to make and also nobody knows what he is banned from and you also have a governing body telling another governing body they are unprofessional.

In order to be taken seriously kick FIM out, end of story. American MX should be sanctioned by Americans, Canadian MX by Canadians, Australian MX by Aussies, etc etc etc (Look how well organised the CMRC is, that's what you want, no politics nothing.)
FARANG wrote:
Sounds awesome. American MX can allow amphetamines for American riders as long as it's a big name. Just get the clearance a few months after you...
Sounds awesome. American MX can allow amphetamines for American riders as long as it's a big name. Just get the clearance a few months after you fail the test because you have big sponsors.

Seriously though, he failed the test and the penalty is about right. Getting clearance AFTER you fail the test doesn't cut it. It's kind of an anti climax to a good career and it must be killing the fanboys to see him go out this way but everyone wanted to clean up the obvious PED issue and this is step one. At least it proves nobody is too big to get caught.
Well said.

Rippaa- the decision took 3 months not 8. 3 months from September when JS finally filed his medical records with the FIM.

Another question you should all be asking JS is why did it take him so long to get his medical records straight?
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Anyway, failing to have a TUE in place is a pathetic excuse compared to some of these I copied from Cycling Weekly Wink

"The ingenuity that unscrupulous professional cyclists display when coming up with excuses to explain positive doping tests is something to behold.

Gilberto Simoni’s cocaine sweets

Italian Gilberto Simoni explained away his positive test for cocaine before the 2002 Giro del Trentino on some sweets that his aunt had obtained from South America. Previously, he had suggested that he had ingested the cocaine after being unwittingly given it during a visit to his dentist.

Tyler Hamilton’s chimeric twin

When Tyler Hamilton failed a test for homologous blood transfusion in 2004, the only explanation he could give for having someone else’s blood in his veins was that he suffered from a rare genetic condition. Hamilton said he was a chimera, and had two sets of genetic material including one from a twin that he absorbed when in his mother’s uterus. He was banned for two years and subsequently admitted to doping, writing a tell-all book about it.

Adri van der Poel’s pigeon pie

Strychnine is a substance better known as a rodent poison, but in small doses has the effect of helping tired leg muscles. Dutch pro Adri van der Poel tested positive for it in 1983 and blamed the result on eating a pigeon pie made with his father-in-law’s racing pigeons which had been doped with the substance.

Floyd Landis and his dodgy whisky

Floyd Landis staged a sensational comeback during the 2006 Tour de France to take the title – but the American’s glory was short lived after a test result showed elevated levels of testosterone. Landis blamed the consumption of whisky as the reason, which had caused him to dehydrate and skew his blood values. Like Hamilton, he later admitted to doping during his riding career and was instrumental in exposing Lance Armstrong’s career-long doping regime.

Alberto Contador’s tainted steak

One of the longest-running and most protracted doping cases was that of Alberto Contador’s clenbuterol positive at the 2010 Tour de France. Contador said that he must have ingested the substance via a tainted steak brought to France from Spain by a friend, simultaneously alienating the Spanish farming industry and causing sniggers among race fans. After much to-ing and fro-ing of the UCI, WADA, lawyers and the Court of Arbitration for Sport he lost the 2010 Tour title and served a ban.

Mauro Santambrogio’s erectile dysfunction

The Italian had existing form when it comes (sorry) to doping positives, having failed a test for EPO at the 2013 Giro d’Italia. Towards the end of his ban for that infringement, Santambrogio tested positive for Andriol (testosterone), and blamed treatment for erectile dysfunction as the cause.

Frank Vandenbroucke’s doggy drugs

Police investigating dodgy doping doctor Bernard Sainz were led to Belgian pro Frank Vandenbroucke’s house in 2002, where a small quantity of banned substances were found, including EPO and clenbuterol. Vandenbroucke told authorities they were for treating his dog. He later admitted to doping but sadly died of a pulmonary embolism in 2009.

Raimondas Rumšas’s mother-in-law’s doping cocktail

After placing third at the 2002 Tour de France, police searched Raimondas Rumšas’s wife’s car and discovered a veritable pharmacy including steroids, EPO, testosterone and growth hormones. His wife claimed they were for her mother, but that didn’t stop the Lithuanian testing positive for EPO the following year.

Lance Armstrong’s ‘everyone else was doing it’

The weakest excuse is kept for last. Lance Armstrong admitted during a television show with Oprah Winfrey that he doped for all seven of his Tour de France wins, subsequently stripped. Having made a career of denying doping and crushing anyone who said he did, Armstrong has only ever offered the excuse that he was only doing what everyone else was doing at the time. Armstrong was banned for life.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/pro-cyclists-best-excus…
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rippaaa wrote:
Hard to be taken serious when a decision takes 8 months to make and also nobody knows what he is banned from and you also have...
Hard to be taken serious when a decision takes 8 months to make and also nobody knows what he is banned from and you also have a governing body telling another governing body they are unprofessional.

In order to be taken seriously kick FIM out, end of story. American MX should be sanctioned by Americans, Canadian MX by Canadians, Australian MX by Aussies, etc etc etc (Look how well organised the CMRC is, that's what you want, no politics nothing.)
FARANG wrote:
Sounds awesome. American MX can allow amphetamines for American riders as long as it's a big name. Just get the clearance a few months after you...
Sounds awesome. American MX can allow amphetamines for American riders as long as it's a big name. Just get the clearance a few months after you fail the test because you have big sponsors.

Seriously though, he failed the test and the penalty is about right. Getting clearance AFTER you fail the test doesn't cut it. It's kind of an anti climax to a good career and it must be killing the fanboys to see him go out this way but everyone wanted to clean up the obvious PED issue and this is step one. At least it proves nobody is too big to get caught.
Fraser wrote:
Well said. Rippaa- the decision took 3 months not 8. 3 months from September when JS finally filed his medical records with the FIM. Another question...
Well said.

Rippaa- the decision took 3 months not 8. 3 months from September when JS finally filed his medical records with the FIM.

Another question you should all be asking JS is why did it take him so long to get his medical records straight?
Irregardless, they apparently don't think he was trying to cheat, cause they have approved him to take the medication.
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So is the FIM/AMA responsible to make sure JS7 is properly medicated while on the track for the safety of others?

What if James is feeling a little ill and does not want to take his Meds...is he allowed to go out on the track and risk losing "focus" and landing on someone?

Does a rider that is landed on by JS7 have the right to get proof that he was properly medicated at the time of the accident?

If he is diagnosed with ADHD... ban him... this sport is like no other when you take into account how your fellow competitors can drastically change your life with a mistake.... no room for medicated psychological disorder patients.
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12/22/2014 6:57am Edited Date/Time 12/22/2014 7:11am
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I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying. [b]Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social...
I don't think it smells like BS, DC is saying the same thing you have been saying.

Guys like Jeremy McGrath and others took to social media to back James Stewart, and I have spoken to a lot of guys who are shocked and bummed that it’s all come to this—I personally think that it’s way too harsh a penalty, for what is effectively a prescribed drug that he is now allowed to use by the FIM’s own standards. He didn’t have his paperwork in, but did anyone at the FIM conduct a pre-supercross meeting to educate Stewart and all of the other athletes about the perils of taking prescribed medication without conferring with the FIM and reading the vast codes and do’s and don’ts of prescribed medication?
Okay, let me take out the first sentence of my reply and leave it with "...sounds like someone is trying to divert attention away from themselves." We already know the ruling and the way the WADA, FIM handled it was BS. Basically, DC is taking a hands off approach and just reporting the news. However, no one wants to do anything substantial to stand up against the FIM or say, "Well, he can race anyway."
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Okay, let me take out the first sentence of my reply and leave it with "...sounds like someone is trying to divert attention away from themselves."...
Okay, let me take out the first sentence of my reply and leave it with "...sounds like someone is trying to divert attention away from themselves." We already know the ruling and the way the WADA, FIM handled it was BS. Basically, DC is taking a hands off approach and just reporting the news. However, no one wants to do anything substantial to stand up against the FIM or say, "Well, he can race anyway."
Much like the equal CC debate, DC likely doesn't want to take a dump where he eats.

Can you blame him?

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