Top Five riders paying $1 million to race??

10/10/2011 7:14am
I have heard Watson on Pulp saying all the hassles he had having Dodge as a sponsor. Like they are only allowed to mention "Dodge" once per TV broadcast. Jimmy Button was trying to promote his bike ride for spinal research and they made him cover up the Honda on his car he had in the pits.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that these Feld policies are going to prevent outside sponsors from coming in. Same with Monster harassing Muscle Milk, Monster vs. FMF, etc.
It seems that petty little behind the scenes battles are a big part of this. Why in the hell would Dodge pump dollars into a team and have a rider out there only to be blackballed from TV? Who is the genius behind this policy? Dodge is a dream sponsor for this sport.

That would be like holding a NASCAR race and only allowing one sponsor that sponsors the riders, teams, and the event itself. The sport has turned into a Monster Energy Drink commercial. Oh well.
Where's Mountain Dew for example? I guess no way in hell a Mountain Dew logo would be allowed with ten miles of a Supercross.
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10/10/2011 11:01am
jamma10 wrote:
It would be cool to set up some kind of annual VitalMX sponsorship fund. Each season we could run an online poll and select a different...
It would be cool to set up some kind of annual VitalMX sponsorship fund. Each season we could run an online poll and select a different rider who members feel are most deserving of a little extra funding.

Obviously we would probably be only talking a relatively small amount (doubt we could foot the bill for Alessi!!! Grinning ) but a few hundred or even a couple of thousand dollars might make a big difference to someone. There probably needs to be a minimum pledge to make it worthwhile, but otherwise forum members are free to donate as much as they like to a paypal scheme or something.

In exchange the rider is expected to post regular updates on here, letting us know how training is going, or how the races went the previous weekend.
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Back on Mototalk in 05-06 or so, everyone pulled together and sponsored Dowd for the weekend. " Dowd's title sponsor for the weekend will be, MOTOTALK...
Back on Mototalk in 05-06 or so, everyone pulled together and sponsored Dowd for the weekend.

" Dowd's title sponsor for the weekend will be, MOTOTALK - By the people, for the people."

What would be neat to do is...
Raise some money to bring a guy like Russian Bobby over here for a AMA National on a FIM off weekend.
Does the gas card still exist in SX??
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10/10/2011 11:04am
jeffro503 wrote:
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that...
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that must be going for a $600,000 semi truck to haul one fucking rider around the country. That right there.....is fucking stupid in itself. Point #2......I am sure the sponsors like redbull and what not are going to help pay a lot of the bills , BUT still.......Motocross , one rider , mechanic , driver , paying your dad to be your manager........where the hell do you actually put 1.2 million dollars?

I am not going to waste my time breaking it all down.........so please , feel free ( anyone ) to explain it to me , what the hell kind of a program for one rider needs 1.2 million dollars to function for one season? I have had plenty of friends over the years race all the nationals rounds , in a really nice big motor home pulling a huge trailer ( it was a shop on wheels! ) , and they spend close to $50,000 for for the racing part of it. Probably another $150,000 on the RV and trailer.

Even if the Alessi's went and bought some large race truck ( 1/2 the size of a full blown semi .....but still a semi) , a bunch of bikes , and all the hop parts your could think of , you still wouldn't be any where near 1.2 million dollars.

And don't forget......Mike has some great sponsors , so I don't see the Alessi's really having to flip the bill for much.

Don't get me wrong......I know it will cost a small fortune , but 1.2 million for a single rider / team.......someone isn't doing their job right , and others are getting paid way to much.
jackson222 wrote:
x2,
$1.2 million a season seems way too much. Full semi for one guy is just unnecessary
But if you don't have the "look" you move to the back of the bus.

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10/10/2011 11:18am
Has anyone noticed the difference in the amount of sponsors the Euros have compared to us? Look at all of their bikes, even the factory bikes, are completely littered with sponsor logos. Ours however, have only the most important logos present. I started noticing that when I was watching the V8 Supercars on saturday night. Sponsor logos everywhere. I think Chad is finally catching on, as the Two Two bike has everyones logo present that has helped him out.

Just a thought.....but are we wasting valuable sponsor room? Or are we just not as good at acquiring them as the Euros?

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jeffro503 wrote:
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that...
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that must be going for a $600,000 semi truck to haul one fucking rider around the country. That right there.....is fucking stupid in itself. Point #2......I am sure the sponsors like redbull and what not are going to help pay a lot of the bills , BUT still.......Motocross , one rider , mechanic , driver , paying your dad to be your manager........where the hell do you actually put 1.2 million dollars?

I am not going to waste my time breaking it all down.........so please , feel free ( anyone ) to explain it to me , what the hell kind of a program for one rider needs 1.2 million dollars to function for one season? I have had plenty of friends over the years race all the nationals rounds , in a really nice big motor home pulling a huge trailer ( it was a shop on wheels! ) , and they spend close to $50,000 for for the racing part of it. Probably another $150,000 on the RV and trailer.

Even if the Alessi's went and bought some large race truck ( 1/2 the size of a full blown semi .....but still a semi) , a bunch of bikes , and all the hop parts your could think of , you still wouldn't be any where near 1.2 million dollars.

And don't forget......Mike has some great sponsors , so I don't see the Alessi's really having to flip the bill for much.

Don't get me wrong......I know it will cost a small fortune , but 1.2 million for a single rider / team.......someone isn't doing their job right , and others are getting paid way to much.
I'll spitball some numbers for you. Are they to the penny exact, no. Close? enough to give you an idea. ok, lets start with the basics...
I'll spitball some numbers for you. Are they to the penny exact, no. Close? enough to give you an idea.

ok, lets start with the basics, and this is SX only.

Semi. lease it, 150k and you can write it off but its money gone. Buy it, 300~500k, lets call it 400k and depreciate it, then sell it and recoup the majority of your money, or even get lucky and make money. dont need a semi? Sure you do for a variety of reason, but namely, if you dont, you are going to be pitted out in the back 40 with the pitting out of a pickup or van guys that wont even make the night show. Think Im joking? Robbie, his Free Nissan deal, 40 foot tractor hauler. IN 2005. Real deal. Back 40, had to go searching for him. Yeah, thats ROI for sponsors.

Gas for semi. I have heard the number $3000 a week x 17 weeks = 51k in gas alone.

Insurance on said semi and contents. Probably 10k is a safe number

Driver, you dont work for free, neither does he. Plus you cant just grab some homeless guy, you have to have a CDL and enough trust he wont run off and be where hes suppsed to be on time. $1500 a week. Actually though, youre more likely to have to higher the guy for a year unless hes retired. Why? Who the hell is going to quit a job with benifits to drive a semi for 17 weeks? so 6 months is going to cost you, at least,32k PLUS, you have to feed the guy, figure 300 a week for that. And hes got to take a shower at some point. So lets be nice and say you have 40k in that to get thru SX.

Wrapping the semi, maint on it, easy 30k. Doesnt have to be wrapped? yes, you hope others will help fund your racing at that level without their name in 3 foot graphics all over your semi. Plus, tires blow, oil has to be changed. $200 for that by the way, oil changes. And its every other week almost.

And we have just scratched the surface on the transport part and we are 531k in. Now remember, this is just start up costs and if you buy the semi, you sell and recoup some.

Now the bikes. How many bikes do you think hes going to go thru? 2? buwhahahahahah, 6? teeeeheeeee... 10 to 12. bikes. You can get away with it running 4 but thats as lowball as it gets. Now, he has to be getting bikes free, i hope. if not, well, do the math.

So now we have our bikes. Any clue what these guys can do to a bike in the normal course of riding? Lets leave it at this buy saying, they can put more stress and wear on a bike in 5 days, as you put on yours in a year.

And we havent even talked about suspension and motors. motor a week in the practice bike, suspension, hard parts. Needless to say, you can EASILY have 250k in bikes and parts out before you turn around.

Oh, someone has to work on the bikes, two someones. And both those someones literally have your life as a rider in their hands. They mess up, you are the one that gets ruined, so no going to home depot and grabbing one of those guys holding a sign up for work. now, this guy has to make a living, he has to eat, support his family. Would you work 10 hours a day for 20 a day? can you cover your bills with that? no. so, main wrench, 40~60k a year. Practice bike guy, 500~1000 a week.

Ok, so, bikes are bought, parts are bought (and i bet you money im low on the parts bill, Akit and service on it weekly isnt cheap), we can get them to the races.

Ok, pay entry for 17 rounds, there is 3~4k

Airfare. (right about here is where some fucktard fires up his keyboard and puts on his mxa face to tell us how real men did it, to them i say, yeah, and real men couldnt operate at the level these guys do today using their methods back then, period) So, you have $400 a week for yourself. If wife goes, another $400. Mechanic, $400. Ok, unless wife is your team manager, you have noone in the tower and to take care of things, so there is another $400 a week. 1 week, shit, 1600 in air alone! 3 hotel rooms, 2 minimum. ok, fri sat night, $150 a night, 2 rooms, 300 x 17 weeks.. 5100 + air 27200 = 32300

got to eat at the races, 200

insurance, got to have it, for racers (and us) its not if, its when. there is a 1000 a month. plus, insurance in case you get hurt BAD bad, death and dismemberment insurance, the kind that pays if you cant walk again, or cant ever ride again, or dont ever wake up again. they look at your profession, get ready, so, call that 5000 a month. now youre saying woah woah, bullshit. ask around. 25k vs 17 weeks racing, and 5 days a week pound laps on a sx track.....

speaking of which, 20k to have one built, and it has to be maintained. Then rebuilt once a month, at least. So lets average it, call it, 30k a month x 5 months. well, thats 150,000 for SX.... only.

So, where are we now? Real close to a mil. And thats SX only. Then outdoors hit. You dont spend as much on having tracks built and rebuilt. But double the driver and mechanics part, do the same for airfare but times 12 weeks, insurance and special insurance is still running, and entry, food, .... oops, forgot rental car/s.

1.2 mil, they are going as budget as you can and still doing what you have to do to be a top 5 hopeful guy, even top 10.

We often think in terms relative to us. if we could live the dream, we would do ANYTHING it took! We would. Well, thats a wish and a prayer, this is reaility for these guys and to play at that level and give yourself the tools to remotely compete at the top of that level, 7 figures. easy.
BornA'lil2slow : Dude , first of all , thank you for taking the time to write all that up. It seems I did miss listing quite a bit of stuff , and it also seems you pretty much listed about everything.

I do think the prices on some of the stuff you mentioned seem kind of high. The private tracks and maintenance thing also is kind of a wash. As not all the top 10 guys have personal , well groomed , watered tracks. Most have tracks for sure , but the prep costs can be down quite a bit.

From what you posted , yes....the 1.2 million does seem a lot more practical. But like I said in my original post , there are privateers doing the series to ( with the help of their sponsors , family , friends and so forth ) that make it work for penny's compared to what the Alessi's mentioned. I am NOT saying the Alessi's should be going out and doing the full blown privateer thing. I'm saying that they could go "some where in the middle" . Some where between what that privateer does and what Reed did last year.

There is no doubt that Reed spent that much money last year , but he has the money and sponsorship to do it. Reed also had a pretty sweet setup and great people in his corner.

Example : Kyle Regal a couple seasons ago. They did an extremely low budget team and were placing top 5's at a lot of races. What ever Kyle and his dad had going on there is way below what the Alessi's are trying to do. So I know it's just a matter of watching where every single dime goes.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that...
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that must be going for a $600,000 semi truck to haul one fucking rider around the country. That right there.....is fucking stupid in itself. Point #2......I am sure the sponsors like redbull and what not are going to help pay a lot of the bills , BUT still.......Motocross , one rider , mechanic , driver , paying your dad to be your manager........where the hell do you actually put 1.2 million dollars?

I am not going to waste my time breaking it all down.........so please , feel free ( anyone ) to explain it to me , what the hell kind of a program for one rider needs 1.2 million dollars to function for one season? I have had plenty of friends over the years race all the nationals rounds , in a really nice big motor home pulling a huge trailer ( it was a shop on wheels! ) , and they spend close to $50,000 for for the racing part of it. Probably another $150,000 on the RV and trailer.

Even if the Alessi's went and bought some large race truck ( 1/2 the size of a full blown semi .....but still a semi) , a bunch of bikes , and all the hop parts your could think of , you still wouldn't be any where near 1.2 million dollars.

And don't forget......Mike has some great sponsors , so I don't see the Alessi's really having to flip the bill for much.

Don't get me wrong......I know it will cost a small fortune , but 1.2 million for a single rider / team.......someone isn't doing their job right , and others are getting paid way to much.
Jeffro, I'll join in again.

I definitely think if the desire is to do it as cheap as possible, it can be done way cheaper. I seriously question that he is putting all his own money into this, unless he means "his" money after various sponsors pay out on his contracts. I estimate his clothing deal alone is probably worth $100,000? I also see a big Red Bull on his helmet still. I think the idea that "they" will be spending all their own money is Tony talking. He would like everyone to think that, when in fact they might be spending a bunch of sponsorship money. Wouldn't surprise me if the figures are inflated some as well.

Just looking at your example though, it has a privateer at $200,000 before anything really happens (and what year was that?). I think Alessi is looking to be a small step down from Reed's effort, and I'm sure the idea is to have a program that will attract more sponsors as well. This is the way the sport is going (private teams) and in order to make the teams work, it is necessary to blow out all the jambs to try and attract big name sponsors. I understand it seems like a lot of money, but it really isn't when you stop and consider all that it entails. Think about this, airfare for Mike, wife, Tony and mechanic, all hitting every race (chartered jets? $$$). Driver for truck and RV (two salaries). Mechanic (another salary). Probably 5 full blown race bikes and maybe 10 practice bikes? That could literally be $200,000 in bikes alone. Thousands of dollars in parts and spare motors. This isn't a true "privateer" effort and there probably is no effort to save money at any point. At every step of the way, money is not the consideration. The only consideration being what will give him the best opportunity to do the best. Most privateers make sacrifices at various steps along the way between money and benefit. I doubt at any point the Alessis will choose money savings over added performance in any area of the program.
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10/10/2011 12:21pm Edited Date/Time 10/10/2011 12:23pm
Funny you should mention that. I got into motocross as a kid when I lived overseas. I had raced for years by the time I came...
Funny you should mention that. I got into motocross as a kid when I lived overseas. I had raced for years by the time I came to the States. I never understood why my friends in the US looked down on motocross as a "redneck sport." The fact is it's hard to do this sport unless you live in a rural area.
When I got hurt racing a few years back, a non-rider friend asked me if I was drunk when I wrecked. I am like "umm...no, I compete in organized racing events."
Sadly this sport is seen as a bunch of drunk hicks ripping around in a field by the general public. It's freaking tragic. Anybody think that might be a contributing factor to the level of outside support?
Funny you say that.

I did all my racing as a youngster in England and people there always had a degree of respect for motorcyclists in general and MX, mainland Europe ( especially France & Belgium ) treated MX riders like gods.

When I moved to the US I experienced exactly what you are talking about ..... ( I still ride and race - fuck the ignorant and their sweeping judgments)
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10/10/2011 12:35pm
It appears that being a privateer in MX/SX is becoming the new normal. One reason may be because of the inflated salaries the top tier riders are demanding.

Remember the days when factory Honda had Bayle, Stanton and Johnson under the same tent?
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Dropped over 40k this year and we aren't even out of the 50 class yet......


...have yet to get even a free airfilter.
Hope it all works out for you Mr. Alessi.
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Europe All tobacco advertising and sponsorship on television has been banned within the European Union since 1991 under the Television Without Frontiers Directive (1989). This ban...
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All tobacco advertising and sponsorship on television has been banned within the European Union since 1991 under the Television Without Frontiers Directive (1989).

This ban was extended by the Tobacco Advertising Directive, which took effect in July 2005 to cover other forms of media such as the internet, print media, radio, and sports event like F1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_advertising

The European Union and World Health Organization (WHO) have both specified that the advertising and promotion of alcohol needs to be controlled. In September 2005, the WHO Euro Region adopted a Framework for Alcohol Policy for the Region. This has 5 ethical principles which includes "All children and adolescents have the right to grow up in an environment protected from the negative consequences of alcohol consumption and, to the extent possible, from the promotion of alcoholic beverages" [1]. Cross-border television advertising within the EU is regulated by the 1989 Television without Frontiers Directive.[3] Article 15 of this Directive sets out the restrictions on alcohol advertising

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Worked like a champ, huh? Nobody in Europe drinks or smokes any more... Unsure
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ODB wrote:
when you 've been '' rockstarin it '' for so long ,how could you possibly go back to the box van ..................its all a tax write...
when you 've been '' rockstarin it '' for so long ,how could you possibly go back to the box van ..................its all a tax write off anyway .................with the money Reed MAKES YOU THINK THAT THE EXPENSES LINE OVERTOOK THE REVENUE LINE .....AH NO .his financials will look bettter this year with all the write off .................the tax system is made for the rich ....................the worst thing to be these days is a middle income, middle aged white man in america ................you're footin the bill for everything
Two problems with your post - (1) the $1M loss for 2011 was from Chad himself, not speculation from me or anybody else, (2) you can't turn a loss into a profit with tax write-offs.
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10/10/2011 5:28pm
Did Chad say he "lost" $1M or that it "cost" him $1M? Big difference, plus you are taking someone at his word. Why would someone come out and say "I made a mil this year, I don't need any more sponsors to come on board or anyone to feel bad for me". Plus how many fans did he gain after saying he was doing this out of his pocket because he loved the sport?
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10/10/2011 5:31pm Edited Date/Time 10/10/2011 5:32pm
PressPassP wrote:
Does the gas card still exist in SX??
It still exists , but is now sponsored by Asterisk.
No more fan involvement...
From my understanding Feld wasn't to fond of them doing it the way they did ,so they got rid of that method.

Not sure if this is 100% true or not,but this is how someone explained it to me....
RacerX was getting free or inexpensive promotion with it in a sense(in Feld's eyes) and Feld wanted to capitalize
on the opportunity of the gas card presentation to make money.
Maybe DC can chime in ,if this wasn't the case.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that...
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that must be going for a $600,000 semi truck to haul one fucking rider around the country. That right there.....is fucking stupid in itself. Point #2......I am sure the sponsors like redbull and what not are going to help pay a lot of the bills , BUT still.......Motocross , one rider , mechanic , driver , paying your dad to be your manager........where the hell do you actually put 1.2 million dollars?

I am not going to waste my time breaking it all down.........so please , feel free ( anyone ) to explain it to me , what the hell kind of a program for one rider needs 1.2 million dollars to function for one season? I have had plenty of friends over the years race all the nationals rounds , in a really nice big motor home pulling a huge trailer ( it was a shop on wheels! ) , and they spend close to $50,000 for for the racing part of it. Probably another $150,000 on the RV and trailer.

Even if the Alessi's went and bought some large race truck ( 1/2 the size of a full blown semi .....but still a semi) , a bunch of bikes , and all the hop parts your could think of , you still wouldn't be any where near 1.2 million dollars.

And don't forget......Mike has some great sponsors , so I don't see the Alessi's really having to flip the bill for much.

Don't get me wrong......I know it will cost a small fortune , but 1.2 million for a single rider / team.......someone isn't doing their job right , and others are getting paid way to much.
I'll spitball some numbers for you. Are they to the penny exact, no. Close? enough to give you an idea. ok, lets start with the basics...
I'll spitball some numbers for you. Are they to the penny exact, no. Close? enough to give you an idea.

ok, lets start with the basics, and this is SX only.

Semi. lease it, 150k and you can write it off but its money gone. Buy it, 300~500k, lets call it 400k and depreciate it, then sell it and recoup the majority of your money, or even get lucky and make money. dont need a semi? Sure you do for a variety of reason, but namely, if you dont, you are going to be pitted out in the back 40 with the pitting out of a pickup or van guys that wont even make the night show. Think Im joking? Robbie, his Free Nissan deal, 40 foot tractor hauler. IN 2005. Real deal. Back 40, had to go searching for him. Yeah, thats ROI for sponsors.

Gas for semi. I have heard the number $3000 a week x 17 weeks = 51k in gas alone.

Insurance on said semi and contents. Probably 10k is a safe number

Driver, you dont work for free, neither does he. Plus you cant just grab some homeless guy, you have to have a CDL and enough trust he wont run off and be where hes suppsed to be on time. $1500 a week. Actually though, youre more likely to have to higher the guy for a year unless hes retired. Why? Who the hell is going to quit a job with benifits to drive a semi for 17 weeks? so 6 months is going to cost you, at least,32k PLUS, you have to feed the guy, figure 300 a week for that. And hes got to take a shower at some point. So lets be nice and say you have 40k in that to get thru SX.

Wrapping the semi, maint on it, easy 30k. Doesnt have to be wrapped? yes, you hope others will help fund your racing at that level without their name in 3 foot graphics all over your semi. Plus, tires blow, oil has to be changed. $200 for that by the way, oil changes. And its every other week almost.

And we have just scratched the surface on the transport part and we are 531k in. Now remember, this is just start up costs and if you buy the semi, you sell and recoup some.

Now the bikes. How many bikes do you think hes going to go thru? 2? buwhahahahahah, 6? teeeeheeeee... 10 to 12. bikes. You can get away with it running 4 but thats as lowball as it gets. Now, he has to be getting bikes free, i hope. if not, well, do the math.

So now we have our bikes. Any clue what these guys can do to a bike in the normal course of riding? Lets leave it at this buy saying, they can put more stress and wear on a bike in 5 days, as you put on yours in a year.

And we havent even talked about suspension and motors. motor a week in the practice bike, suspension, hard parts. Needless to say, you can EASILY have 250k in bikes and parts out before you turn around.

Oh, someone has to work on the bikes, two someones. And both those someones literally have your life as a rider in their hands. They mess up, you are the one that gets ruined, so no going to home depot and grabbing one of those guys holding a sign up for work. now, this guy has to make a living, he has to eat, support his family. Would you work 10 hours a day for 20 a day? can you cover your bills with that? no. so, main wrench, 40~60k a year. Practice bike guy, 500~1000 a week.

Ok, so, bikes are bought, parts are bought (and i bet you money im low on the parts bill, Akit and service on it weekly isnt cheap), we can get them to the races.

Ok, pay entry for 17 rounds, there is 3~4k

Airfare. (right about here is where some fucktard fires up his keyboard and puts on his mxa face to tell us how real men did it, to them i say, yeah, and real men couldnt operate at the level these guys do today using their methods back then, period) So, you have $400 a week for yourself. If wife goes, another $400. Mechanic, $400. Ok, unless wife is your team manager, you have noone in the tower and to take care of things, so there is another $400 a week. 1 week, shit, 1600 in air alone! 3 hotel rooms, 2 minimum. ok, fri sat night, $150 a night, 2 rooms, 300 x 17 weeks.. 5100 + air 27200 = 32300

got to eat at the races, 200

insurance, got to have it, for racers (and us) its not if, its when. there is a 1000 a month. plus, insurance in case you get hurt BAD bad, death and dismemberment insurance, the kind that pays if you cant walk again, or cant ever ride again, or dont ever wake up again. they look at your profession, get ready, so, call that 5000 a month. now youre saying woah woah, bullshit. ask around. 25k vs 17 weeks racing, and 5 days a week pound laps on a sx track.....

speaking of which, 20k to have one built, and it has to be maintained. Then rebuilt once a month, at least. So lets average it, call it, 30k a month x 5 months. well, thats 150,000 for SX.... only.

So, where are we now? Real close to a mil. And thats SX only. Then outdoors hit. You dont spend as much on having tracks built and rebuilt. But double the driver and mechanics part, do the same for airfare but times 12 weeks, insurance and special insurance is still running, and entry, food, .... oops, forgot rental car/s.

1.2 mil, they are going as budget as you can and still doing what you have to do to be a top 5 hopeful guy, even top 10.

We often think in terms relative to us. if we could live the dream, we would do ANYTHING it took! We would. Well, thats a wish and a prayer, this is reaility for these guys and to play at that level and give yourself the tools to remotely compete at the top of that level, 7 figures. easy.
Dude you hit the nail on the head! You left out the shop and tools that will be needed. Not to mention equipment like engine and suspension dynos. I worked the last 4 years on Bob Tascas Motorcraft nitro funny car and it cost us 50k a weekend to race. This is on a good weekend when nothing breaks. It doesnt take long to add up.
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10/10/2011 5:49pm
The other thing that's going on here is that there are more bums than seats. We've got more genuine title contenders and proven race winners than we've had a in long time (5), plus a bunch of guys who can break top 5, with the occasional podium and the odd race/moto win - Metcalfe, Alessi, Windham, Millsaps, Grant, Brayton.

There are only 3 official factory teams (KTM, Honda, Kawasaki) and one semi-official one (Suzuki/Yoshi). Suzuki/Yoshi doesn't have the money/resources for a title guy, so that leaves statistically the 3rd and 4th best SX riders of all time without an official factory ride.

And it's only going to get worse in the next couple of years. Reed is the only top 5 guy who's realistically not likely to be around after 2012. You could say it's likely KTM will run another 450 bike in 2013, but what about the 250 riders coming through - Wilson, Barcia, Tomac, Roczen, Musquin?

What options do these riders have? I can't realistically think of anyone else who could do what Reed did this year - in terms of rider ability, financial capability, ability to attract sponsors etc.

It could get very cut-throat in the next few years (well more so than usual!).
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10/10/2011 6:00pm Edited Date/Time 10/10/2011 6:05pm
jeffro503 wrote:
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that...
I said this in the other thread , so I'll say it again here. Tony mentioned 1.2 million to race the full season. Half of that must be going for a $600,000 semi truck to haul one fucking rider around the country. That right there.....is fucking stupid in itself. Point #2......I am sure the sponsors like redbull and what not are going to help pay a lot of the bills , BUT still.......Motocross , one rider , mechanic , driver , paying your dad to be your manager........where the hell do you actually put 1.2 million dollars?

I am not going to waste my time breaking it all down.........so please , feel free ( anyone ) to explain it to me , what the hell kind of a program for one rider needs 1.2 million dollars to function for one season? I have had plenty of friends over the years race all the nationals rounds , in a really nice big motor home pulling a huge trailer ( it was a shop on wheels! ) , and they spend close to $50,000 for for the racing part of it. Probably another $150,000 on the RV and trailer.

Even if the Alessi's went and bought some large race truck ( 1/2 the size of a full blown semi .....but still a semi) , a bunch of bikes , and all the hop parts your could think of , you still wouldn't be any where near 1.2 million dollars.

And don't forget......Mike has some great sponsors , so I don't see the Alessi's really having to flip the bill for much.

Don't get me wrong......I know it will cost a small fortune , but 1.2 million for a single rider / team.......someone isn't doing their job right , and others are getting paid way to much.
your opinion is naive to anyone at an MA or a CR level... We spent 83K plus racing amatuers in 1998 and we were just competetive on the track... We roughed it many times... I personally have experienced, in more than one season, 3 people, 2 crew and 1 racer, 2 bikes ArenaCross Racing have a budget of 3k for the weekend... No salaries included not even the rider, no motorhome we would get to sleep on the floor of the trailer 2 nights, and get a Hotel for one night, every 3rd day, mainly for showering purposes. Better get your pencil, paper and calculator back out.... Someone was lying to you about the costs of racing... Before, I couldn't imagine the racing budget where everyone gets paid, and costs are just expenses, but now I can get a glimpse... I have, however, owned a very small shop and my payroll and expenses run nearly 50k per month and my additional annual expenses run another 250k... No I don't make 6 figures, no I don't have a dream home, nor do I have a big motorcoach, but I am comfortable and I still find myself dreaming for more money and more time to spend it, Hell, I'd settle for more time... I do think your misinformed, thus, you really have no idea...
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10/10/2011 6:42pm
Cody24 wrote:
Has anyone noticed the difference in the amount of sponsors the Euros have compared to us? Look at all of their bikes, even the factory bikes...
Has anyone noticed the difference in the amount of sponsors the Euros have compared to us? Look at all of their bikes, even the factory bikes, are completely littered with sponsor logos. Ours however, have only the most important logos present. I started noticing that when I was watching the V8 Supercars on saturday night. Sponsor logos everywhere. I think Chad is finally catching on, as the Two Two bike has everyones logo present that has helped him out.

Just a thought.....but are we wasting valuable sponsor room? Or are we just not as good at acquiring them as the Euros?
I have noticed that nearly every American show I watch where they interview someone there is either a t shirt or hat logo that is blurred out. Even a lot of reality tv shows have it.

In v8 supercars there are so many conflicting sponsors and none are blurred out. Seems sponsors in the us hold way too tight to product promotion to the point where it could be hurting the event/show they are sponsoring by squeezing out any further investment in it
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10/10/2011 6:52pm
Oh and speaking of feld, the crap purse money they are allowed to award is embarrassing for a top level motor sport, oh and in what other major sport does the promoter make the talent pay to put on the show..... This has been going on since goodwin ran things and it doesn't make sense..
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10/10/2011 8:04pm
If top riders don't want to take the deals available to them they have to pay if they want to race.
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10/10/2011 8:31pm Edited Date/Time 10/10/2011 8:33pm
The Alessis say they plan on dropping $1 million plus to race in 2012? Chad Reed dropped $1 million to race last year? Something is seriously...
The Alessis say they plan on dropping $1 million plus to race in 2012?
Chad Reed dropped $1 million to race last year?

Something is seriously, seriously wrong here. There is no way this sport can sustain that. These are the top stars in motocross.
when you consider relative hourly wage and salary it makes more sense. bet it takes 2 million a season to truck JSE's entourage all over the place, and that's for only for 5 months. Wink
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10/10/2011 8:35pm
Premixed wrote:
are you going to sit there and tell me that mx has anywhere near the outside sponsorship that nascar does, or are you going to just...
are you going to sit there and tell me that mx has anywhere near the outside sponsorship that nascar does, or are you going to just use beer and cigarettes as your example? im well aware of camel sponsoring the series, i was at a dozen of them in the 80s. but we can even keep it on 2 wheels and go to world super bike and find bathroom fixture companies winning world championships.

like i said before....target audience. bathroom fixture companies are going to throw sponsorship money at a series who's fans don't shower. at least thats the image it seems. i dont know how to "right" that wrong, but it surely exists.
FastEddy wrote:
[i][b]are you going to sit there and tell me that mx has anywhere near the outside sponsorship that nascar does, or are you going to just...
are you going to sit there and tell me that mx has anywhere near the outside sponsorship that nascar does, or are you going to just use beer and cigarettes as your example? im well aware of camel sponsoring the series, i was at a dozen of them in the 80s. but we can even keep it on 2 wheels and go to world super bike and find bathroom fixture companies winning world championships.


It's not very hard to comprehend...
My point was that we had beer & cig sponsors involved in the sport, then the "promoters ended up pushing them out of the sport,for a cleaner/healthier image ",they didn't just pull out themselves. MC brought on board a beer sponsor later on...but for the most part, none of those type of companies in this day & age will even touch the sport.
I think bringing in any type of mainstream sponsor is good for the sport,not pushing them away to try to evolve into a certain type of image. Neckcar seems to be pretty open to sponsorships.
federal law made that shit disappear...fucking liberals. Smile
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10/10/2011 8:41pm
get espn/abc on board and make them major stakeholders and make money balls over pecker for everybody involved. period....
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10/10/2011 8:53pm
Cody24 wrote:
Has anyone noticed the difference in the amount of sponsors the Euros have compared to us? Look at all of their bikes, even the factory bikes...
Has anyone noticed the difference in the amount of sponsors the Euros have compared to us? Look at all of their bikes, even the factory bikes, are completely littered with sponsor logos. Ours however, have only the most important logos present. I started noticing that when I was watching the V8 Supercars on saturday night. Sponsor logos everywhere. I think Chad is finally catching on, as the Two Two bike has everyones logo present that has helped him out.

Just a thought.....but are we wasting valuable sponsor room? Or are we just not as good at acquiring them as the Euros?
chump6784 wrote:
I have noticed that nearly every American show I watch where they interview someone there is either a t shirt or hat logo that is blurred...
I have noticed that nearly every American show I watch where they interview someone there is either a t shirt or hat logo that is blurred out. Even a lot of reality tv shows have it.

In v8 supercars there are so many conflicting sponsors and none are blurred out. Seems sponsors in the us hold way too tight to product promotion to the point where it could be hurting the event/show they are sponsoring by squeezing out any further investment in it
Those are blurred out to prevent free product placement. If they paid to be seen, they wouldn't be blurred. If you are charging advertisers money to be seen during your show, it is hard to explain to them why someone else's product got displayed for free.
10/10/2011 11:20pm
Dropped over 40k this year and we aren't even out of the 50 class yet......


...have yet to get even a free airfilter.
mxr300ex wrote:
Hope it all works out for you Mr. Alessi.
Not sure what that means.........but we spend less than the slower families.
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10/10/2011 11:34pm
500guy wrote:
Well lets be real, only an ultra rich guy or an idiot would do it, So lets no push the panic button just yet.
No, lets not do that........Glad a Euro isn't spending that type of money, you would sure jump on that.
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10/10/2011 11:39pm
ando wrote:
The other thing that's going on here is that there are more bums than seats. We've got more genuine title contenders and proven race winners than...
The other thing that's going on here is that there are more bums than seats. We've got more genuine title contenders and proven race winners than we've had a in long time (5), plus a bunch of guys who can break top 5, with the occasional podium and the odd race/moto win - Metcalfe, Alessi, Windham, Millsaps, Grant, Brayton.

There are only 3 official factory teams (KTM, Honda, Kawasaki) and one semi-official one (Suzuki/Yoshi). Suzuki/Yoshi doesn't have the money/resources for a title guy, so that leaves statistically the 3rd and 4th best SX riders of all time without an official factory ride.

And it's only going to get worse in the next couple of years. Reed is the only top 5 guy who's realistically not likely to be around after 2012. You could say it's likely KTM will run another 450 bike in 2013, but what about the 250 riders coming through - Wilson, Barcia, Tomac, Roczen, Musquin?

What options do these riders have? I can't realistically think of anyone else who could do what Reed did this year - in terms of rider ability, financial capability, ability to attract sponsors etc.

It could get very cut-throat in the next few years (well more so than usual!).
isn't there a ktm factory team in oz?
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10/10/2011 11:44pm
mxgeoff wrote:
isn't there a ktm factory team in oz?
Yeah, what's the relevance?
10/12/2011 12:42am
PressPassP wrote:
Does the gas card still exist in SX??
FastEddy wrote:
It still exists , but is now sponsored by Asterisk. No more fan involvement... From my understanding Feld wasn't to fond of them doing it the...
It still exists , but is now sponsored by Asterisk.
No more fan involvement...
From my understanding Feld wasn't to fond of them doing it the way they did ,so they got rid of that method.

Not sure if this is 100% true or not,but this is how someone explained it to me....
RacerX was getting free or inexpensive promotion with it in a sense(in Feld's eyes) and Feld wanted to capitalize
on the opportunity of the gas card presentation to make money.
Maybe DC can chime in ,if this wasn't the case.
Yeah,I could believe that,I can't remember when I last heard it mentioned that's all,I know Asterisk get spoken about on the broadcast though (they do a great job as we know)

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