No Spark!!! Please Help!

dg07
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2013 CRF250R. This bike has not ran in 2 1/2 years. It won't get spark. Took it to motoworld, two other shops, and hired a race team honda tech to come and no one has figured it out. Symptoms: Bike cut out while riding, backfired, shut off. Got worse as the bike warmed up. Mil light flashed unknown codes. won't start back up. Replaced: stator, full wiring harness, cdi, kill switch, coil, condensor, rectifier, fuel pump. Valves are in spec, 10 hours on engine/bike. Mostly trail ridden. Few track days. Any suggestions? Thank you!
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JH911
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1/17/2017 10:15am
Hasn't ran in 2.5 years? Was it ran with bad gas? Did anyone check the TPS or MAP sensor? Properly clean the injector? Almost seems fuel related as it "DID" run, just very poorly. Was the sparkplug replaced as well? Sparkplug cap? Trying to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's"
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1/17/2017 10:52am
What was done to the bike just prior to this problem starting?
Were the replacement parts oem or after market?
You say the valves are in spec, but have they been checked for sealing?
Has the cam timing been checked?
I saw this in the past on a CRF450R and it was the trigger coil on the stator, but I must also say it sounds like a fuel starvation issue.

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1/17/2017 11:40am
No, the gas was new. It was running perfect, never gave any previous problems either. Was running great, then when coming up to a jump, she let out a loud pop and lost power. Got it back for a second then limped her up the hill without issues. Started up the next day fine. Rode it around house and after a few minutes it did it again so I took it to motoworld and it hasn't ran since. All those new parts were replaced AFTER issues stated. OEM parts. Sparkplug and cap were replaced. Supposedly motoworld replaced the stator. I appreciate your help guys
dg07
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1/17/2017 11:43am
Think I should clarify. It stopped running 2.5 years ago. Hasn't been ran since. Hasn't even started. Prior it was being rode every few days 4 a little but never any issues.

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Paw Paw 271
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1/17/2017 1:05pm Edited Date/Time 1/17/2017 1:07pm
Has the injector been removed and cleaned?
Has the cam timing been checked? The cam gear can slip out of place and cause issues.
Also the kill switch on these bikes were known to be a big issue with many failures. This can cause the error codes. If the kill switch fails it will not allow the fuel pump to and it will kill the spark.

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dg07
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1/17/2017 10:29pm
The kill switch was replaced as well. I'll check the cam timing and see about the injector asap
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1/18/2017 2:23am
When was all of the parts replaced?
2 1/2 years ago or just in the past few weeks or so?

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dg07
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1/18/2017 4:24am
Half of em 2 & a half and the others 4 months ago
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1/18/2017 8:34am
It sounds like it is time to regroup and start retesting everything as too much time has past for any type of quick answer.
How was the bikes stored? Was it a pest free? Was it heated and cooled?
Was the exhaust plugged while in storage?
Was it stored with the engine at TDC?
Has the bike been torn down and the electrics inspected and tested in the past few weeks?
Was the bike stored with fuel in the system?
Was the bike stored in a good clean condition or was it just parked after the last ride?
All of these things can have a big effect on the outcome of storage.

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dg07
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1/18/2017 6:34pm
Yes they've been tested very recently. No fuel, in a (closed) shop, hopefully they kept the muffler plugged lol. No idea about piston position. Only heating and cooling would be from inside shop ambient air temp. Clean. Cleaned very throughly after every ride along w/ a bolt check
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1/18/2017 7:43pm Edited Date/Time 1/18/2017 7:45pm
Ok, lets start with the basics....
Check all engine mount bolts and frame holes to be sure they are not full of dirt and or rust. Do the same for the coil mounts as well. This will insure your have a good engine ground and a good coil ground.
Then do an ohms test on the coil both primary and secondary and post up those readings.
Do you have a good bright Blue spark at the plug?
Does the fuel pump run when you kick it over?
Are you getting good fuel flow?
Check the cam timing.
Check valve clearances.
Check for trash in the exhaust pipe.
Check for open vent fuel lines.
Now see if it will fire up.
If no, check for spark at the plug and fuel delivery to the fuel injector.
If no, then check the ohm readings on the stator.
Check flywheel for rust and or dirt. ( there should be none as it is operating in oil.)
Check flywheel to be sure it is tight and the key is not broken off.

After you do these report back and we will see where to go from there.

One other question....When all the parts were replaced, where the old parts tested and found to be bad or where they just changed out?

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1/23/2017 7:49pm
They were just changed out. Sorry for the late response, been busy. Appreciate the help. Still no spark whatsoever. Valve clearance is good, fuel pump runs, will get to some more tests hopefully soon. Lots of rain atm. HaRd to drive to where the bike is stored.
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Do Hondas have a tip over sensor?

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