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Hi,
We just replaced the piston on my son's 2007 honda cr85 and now there is a clicking noise when it runs.
Here is the entire story line:
We put the new piston in, but heard the clicking noise so we thought the ring might not have been in quite right so we took it back apart and checked. It looked fine, but when we were putting everything back together again, we saw that the plastic sleeve in the valve reed was missing. I couldn't get just the sleeve so I ordered a whole new valve reed assembly. We put that in this afternoon and thought everything would be ok but the clicking noise is still there.
It happens as soon as you try and start it. I know it may be hard to ask for suggestions with this brief description, but I was wondering if any one might have had this before.
I am going to bring it to the dealer so I know everything gets done right, but if there are any ideas, I would still appreciate hearing them.
Thanks
Don
We just replaced the piston on my son's 2007 honda cr85 and now there is a clicking noise when it runs.
Here is the entire story line:
We put the new piston in, but heard the clicking noise so we thought the ring might not have been in quite right so we took it back apart and checked. It looked fine, but when we were putting everything back together again, we saw that the plastic sleeve in the valve reed was missing. I couldn't get just the sleeve so I ordered a whole new valve reed assembly. We put that in this afternoon and thought everything would be ok but the clicking noise is still there.
It happens as soon as you try and start it. I know it may be hard to ask for suggestions with this brief description, but I was wondering if any one might have had this before.
I am going to bring it to the dealer so I know everything gets done right, but if there are any ideas, I would still appreciate hearing them.
Thanks
Don
wrench: everything was brand new...rod bearings looked good...we checked everything over again.
It sounds like it may be in the clutch or around there. It sounds like gears may be clicking together.
The Shop
One other thing, make sure the shift shaft is pushed through all the way.
Does the sound get faster and slower when you rev the bike in neutral? What about when shifting gears?
rallen; no we just took the piston out. Took the gas tank off and worked on everything from above. The sound is kind of constant, but hard to exactly hear when I get going on it.
This is his second year on the bike, but last year was his first real hard racing season, Probably about 20 races and many more practices at Raceway Park. I didn't kick it over before we started the project, so it may just be a coincidence that it is happening now.
I hope to drop it off at the Honda dealer tomorrow and I will post what the culprit is.
Thanks to everyone for the help.
The sleeve is out of round and the piston is slapping around inside. His suggestion was to have the sleeve bored out to fit a new piston.
I just talked to a place that does that and he suggested that I just have the sleeve filled and redrilled so I can use the brand new piston I have. I would send him the piston so he could make sure that is fits before he sends it back.
So my questions are:
1. I waited two years to change this piston. I guess I should do it every year now, especially if my son is going to be racing alot more, right?
2. What are the chances of this happening again. I can take it apart at the end of this season to put in a new piston and couldn't it be out of round again?
3. The fill, redrill process is about $200. The bore out is $200 plus the cost of the new piston. I know the bigger piston will get him a little more power, but since he is not using all of the bike's power now, he doesn't really need a bigger one. Is this the correct thinking?
Thanks again for all of the help and ideas.
Change the piston and rings more often. There's a reason why people swoon over "fresh top ends"
Unless the plating is worn off, or you have a ridge up by the top of the cylinder... that's not it.
Go to the shop and ask them to show you exactly what's wrong.
I have these replated all the time and can help you out with that, but have the shop show you first.
The bike was bought brand new in 2008. He rode it at the practice tracks before the races but actually raced a smaller bike that first year. Last year was the first year that he raced it and he is not a super fast rider, so the bike was not really beaten that badly.
We changed the oil the first weekend of every month.
My bad about what the shop actually told me. I was at work so my typing time was limited. They did say that the plating was worn and related it to the sleeve in the older bikes. He said the Nicasil was worn in a place and suggested a couple of places. The first was LA Sleeve, but they were a little expensive and it would take almost a month to get it back.
The other places were Millenium and PowerSealUSA.
This is getting a little out of my league now, so I will do my best to explain what they told me. If I send them the cylinder and the new piston, the will fill the cylinder and re-bore it to fit my piston. The piston is OEM and has only been in for this problem so to keep using it would not be a problem.
Do you think this is the best way to go. I looked at the new top ends and 350 to 400 bucks is kind of steep right now?
Thanks again to everyone for this guidance.
thanks I just sent them an email and asked them what they think I shoild do,how much and how long.
Thanks for the help
Pit Row
Call Chris or Jamie at Power Seal 866-845-1531 www.powersealusa.com
Did you replace the head gasket when you did the top end? I recomend before you take their word for it and send the cylinder out and spend $200+, I would buy another head gasket and take the head to a shop and have it resurfaced or a new one is only $77.00 and a gasket is $16.00.
Piston slap sounds more like a rattle than a "clicking" or ticking.
Yes we replaced the head gasket. I think I may try that first and if the noise is still there I will send it out to PowersealUSA.
Thanks for the suggestion.
I just want to get this fixed and get him ready to get going. I have already told him that we probably wont make the March 6th practice at Raceway Park (which was iffy anyway because it is till kind of cold here), but I would like to get out there pretty soon after that.
Thanks
Just shipped it to PowerSealUSA today for replating and asked them to check if the head was warped.
With all the snow here in Jersey, I think he may not be riding again until he is ready for the 450's
Thanks
If it doesn't I don't know what else to do. I don't want to take it back to the dealer since they told me that this would fix it. If it doesn't I won't trust them to bring it back there and I don't know enough to rip any more of it apart
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