Since the green stuff came out, I only get 2-3 washes before the filter seperates.
And yes, even with a new filter.
Thanks mate, I've always used warm to hot water so that might be it. I just noticed it happened more regularly with the green gear.
mx5471 wrote: I differ with your opinion. No-Toil is the best stuff going. I have used it for 7 years with twin air filters and have used some of those filters for over 3 years. Are you using very hot water when you clean them? The heat will separate the glue. I have had an 08 suzuki for 3 years,and it uses the same filter as our old yamaha's used. I just threw out a filter,a twin air, after 4 years of use,using only No-Toil,but the red stuff. I have heard this story for the last 7 years but it never happened to me. I have not tried the new green stuff,but I'm telling you anyone that doesn't use No-Toil is a fool. What do you use to clean your filter with,gas ,mineral spirits,kerosene,and how do you get rid of it,and how much does it cost? I go to wal-mart and buy a big tub of oxcy-clean for 6 bucks . I got a 2 gallon bucket,I put lukewarm water,just to help the soap dissolve. Then I throw a scoop of oxy in there and mix it up and throw the filter in there. Leave it in for a half hour and then repeat,because once the initial dirt comes out the solution loses it's effectiveness. You don't even have to touch it,just let it sit. I do it a 3rd time with just a little oxy,just to be sure all the dirt is out and it always is. Then I rinse it with water,throw it in the dryer,that's how clean it is,and then oil it up again. And the cleaning agent is free,water,and biodegradable. It's just stupid to fool around with all those chemicals and spend all that money to clean filters. I been cleaning 3 filters a week for the last 6 weeks and didn't even need a pair of gloves. I'm betting you are using very hot water,and melting the glue. I'm telling you,I have used filters for 3 and 4 years with No-Toil and never had the problem.
Why would you use diesel fuel or paint thinner when part of the great thing about no toil is being able to use the biodegradable cleaner in water?
yamadogyz wrote: I sunk a sweet position testing for No Toil, they sent me over a hundred bucks of stuff to test this week. I used their filters all my life, I used desiel fuel and paint thinner to clean them on multipul times. I have a feeling you got a fulty filter, what make is it? I haven't had a chance to try the green stuff but I doubt it would do any harm.
I tried a similar method with regular filter oil and i found that the oil tended to evaporate for some reason. I'd take the lid off and half the oil would be gone.
motofab36 wrote: Why would you use diesel fuel or paint thinner when part of the great thing about no toil is being able to use the biodegradable cleaner in water?
As for oiling the filters, we have always poured a couple bottles of oil in a large plastic bowl with a lid, submerge a clean dry filter in the oil then sqeeze out the excess oil back into the bowl and put the lid on bowl. The filter gets oiled completely and there is no waiste.
Before you "found" their cleaner, so when you got the supplies you had no idea the concept behind their product, didn't read directions, just curious here ?
yamadogyz wrote: Thats before I found their cleaner.
Sorry, what are you asking? Do you mean the directions to the air filter? The directions to the cleaner? The oil?
Cheaper than cleaning them? $6 worth of diesel will clean about 10 filters. After that I screen out the solids with a paint filter and use it again. From an economic stand point, an oil like Belray or Maxima FFT actually saves you money because you don't have to clean the filter as often as you do with No-toil. You can ride until the filter is completely covered in dirt before servicing it. That's 4-5 hours on the prepped tracks I ride.
mx5471 wrote: CamP. After 40 years you know whats good.But you have your preferences. If the people followed your advise about cleaning filters ,they should just buy new ones every time. It would be cheaper than cleaning them. No-Toil is great stuff.
The guys that are having problems with the oil running off the filter, do you let it "dry" before you install it? The instructions say to let the filter stand for about 15 minutes before you put it in the bike. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
E-man811 wrote: My only gripe with No-toil is, as CamP said, the oil does not stay put on the filter. It's not about the stickiness of the oil.
It is Belray filter oil for me and the crummy routine of cleaning them, because servicing the filter the day before I ride is not always possible. From I have seen, just me, I don't trust that No-Toil will stay in place more than a day or two.
Admittedly, my beliefs came only from observing other people's experiences and results, not from trying the product myself.
MXD wrote: The guys that are having problems with the oil running off the filter, do you let it "dry" before you install it? The instructions say to let the filter stand for about 15 minutes before you put it in the bike. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?