4CS forks are not the evil forks their made out to be.....

MxRyder wrote:

I rode a 2016 and a 2017 ktm 350sxf this past weekend thanks to a guy who had both models.....first they are alittle soft for a...

I rode a 2016 and a 2017 ktm 350sxf this past weekend thanks to a guy who had both models.....first they are alittle soft for a faster rider.....being a 450 intermediate racer who rides both 250 2stroke as well.....they are decent forks....the problems that many have is they just dont know how to correctly set sag...fork height....rear axle postion(frame set up)....then actually spend the correct amount of time finding a suitable settting with the clickers16...and or air 17.....they are a good fork for vets...novice...maybe not a fast SoCal novice....but overall i think they work descent....all the jumps i hit were 110ft -130ft and they worked well....the.comfort is alot better then the old Bladder forks by far.....i think 75%of the people out there can use these forks without issue as long as you try to get all the set up in a fair range......i enjoyed the 350....definitely needs 1 tooth to the rear but easily run with 450s..... Dont shy away of the 4CS...If u weight over 180lbs u may need a revalve and springs.....TBT in Arizonia or GreameBrough are the guys who are doing great work in suspension.....im a GreameBrough guy myself...but TBT is making a hell of a rep around Socal

sandman768 wrote:

So, you spent a day or Two riding a bike with 4cs forks & you have it all figured out? The 4cs on my 15 xc300...

So, you spent a day or Two riding a bike with 4cs forks & you have it all figured out? The 4cs on my 15 xc300 felt pretty good initially too, after more time on them they progressively got softer & more harsh. Factory connection has revalved them twice, they are better, but these forks have issues in stock trim. What the hell is a fast SoCal novice?

sandman768 wrote:

So, you spent a day or Two riding a bike with 4cs forks & you have it all figured out? The 4cs on my 15 xc300...

So, you spent a day or Two riding a bike with 4cs forks & you have it all figured out? The 4cs on my 15 xc300 felt pretty good initially too, after more time on them they progressively got softer & more harsh. Factory connection has revalved them twice, they are better, but these forks have issues in stock trim. What the hell is a fast SoCal novice?

MxRyder wrote:

Dont you just love it when people ask ignorant...dumb questions....a fast Socal novice....is the same guy in florida.....georgia....texas......that sure as hell doesnt belong in the novice...

Dont you just love it when people ask ignorant...dumb questions....a fast Socal novice....is the same guy in florida.....georgia....texas......that sure as hell doesnt belong in the novice class....but his moronic parents seem to think a C class championship plate for 2years means something......it the same kid that throwning down lap times close to a fast intermediate.(does everybody knows what the differance between a fast intermediate is and one not ao fast???)..again doesn belong in the C class.....wait for it......wait for it........a SandBagger.........i know common sense these days is coming up short...but work with me here....now it also might help if anybody may have still missed the point ,by the fact that the stock suspension i mentioned may not be able to perform correctly with the FASTER RIDER ON IT.....yes that means all the other guys in texas...florida....and georgia.....and if any other people in other states seem to have gotten offended cause you didnt get mentioned its ok......the participation ribbons will get mailed out soon so u dont feel left out........

305FC250 wrote:

I mean theres people out there that absolutely tear it up on 15-25 year old bikes... Hitting big jumps and all using the original forks with...

I mean theres people out there that absolutely tear it up on 15-25 year old bikes... Hitting big jumps and all using the original forks with some work put into them of course. How bad can the 4cs forks really be? Especially once they are tinkered with by a good suspension guy? Worse than what bikes had 15-20+ years ago? Thats why I have a hard time buying into the negative hype. Sure they definitely are NOT the greatest forks ever but are they really THAT bad.

c0ncEpT wrote:

Its all about personal feel. I have a 2015 TC125 and I think the 4CS fork is by far the worst stock suspension I've ever ridden...

Its all about personal feel.

I have a 2015 TC125 and I think the 4CS fork is by far the worst stock suspension I've ever ridden.

Blows through the stroke and slaps down super hard on landing from basically any jump larger than 30 feet.

Super stiff in very light chop but then damn near bottoms out in large braking bumps.

Also super unpredictable in huge braking bumps. I.E blows through and damn near bottoms out in 1 bump and then feels rock hard and tries to push the tire out from under you on the next.

Its so bad I'm actually thinking about selling the bike with 5 hours on it instead of spending the $600-$800 to get the suspension done because I Don't think it will ever feel like my Yamaha does.

305FC250 wrote:

I mean theres people out there that absolutely tear it up on 15-25 year old bikes... Hitting big jumps and all using the original forks with...

I mean theres people out there that absolutely tear it up on 15-25 year old bikes... Hitting big jumps and all using the original forks with some work put into them of course. How bad can the 4cs forks really be? Especially once they are tinkered with by a good suspension guy? Worse than what bikes had 15-20+ years ago? Thats why I have a hard time buying into the negative hype. Sure they definitely are NOT the greatest forks ever but are they really THAT bad.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

If you compared the 4cs to a 15 year old fork, they are worlds better, maybe even amazing you could say. But if you compared them...

If you compared the 4cs to a 15 year old fork, they are worlds better, maybe even amazing you could say. But if you compared them to other brand forks from 2015-16 they are not the best. I rode a stock yz250f back to back with my 4cs and was amazed at how good the KYB setup was out of the box.

But like I wrote earlier, my 4cs revalved by FC are not bad, they work just fine.

305FC250 wrote:

I mean theres people out there that absolutely tear it up on 15-25 year old bikes... Hitting big jumps and all using the original forks with...

I mean theres people out there that absolutely tear it up on 15-25 year old bikes... Hitting big jumps and all using the original forks with some work put into them of course. How bad can the 4cs forks really be? Especially once they are tinkered with by a good suspension guy? Worse than what bikes had 15-20+ years ago? Thats why I have a hard time buying into the negative hype. Sure they definitely are NOT the greatest forks ever but are they really THAT bad.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

If you compared the 4cs to a 15 year old fork, they are worlds better, maybe even amazing you could say. But if you compared them...

If you compared the 4cs to a 15 year old fork, they are worlds better, maybe even amazing you could say. But if you compared them to other brand forks from 2015-16 they are not the best. I rode a stock yz250f back to back with my 4cs and was amazed at how good the KYB setup was out of the box.

But like I wrote earlier, my 4cs revalved by FC are not bad, they work just fine.

JWACK wrote:

I would disagree with you Joe. My stock 2000 cr 250 forks were worlds better than my stock 16 350 sxf forks. No doubt about it...

I would disagree with you Joe. My stock 2000 cr 250 forks were worlds better than my stock 16 350 sxf forks. No doubt about it. Well now that I think about it every bike I've owned since 2000 except my 06 kx 250 had better forks stock than this bike.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

If you compared the 4cs to a 15 year old fork, they are worlds better, maybe even amazing you could say. But if you compared them...

If you compared the 4cs to a 15 year old fork, they are worlds better, maybe even amazing you could say. But if you compared them to other brand forks from 2015-16 they are not the best. I rode a stock yz250f back to back with my 4cs and was amazed at how good the KYB setup was out of the box.

But like I wrote earlier, my 4cs revalved by FC are not bad, they work just fine.

JWACK wrote:

I would disagree with you Joe. My stock 2000 cr 250 forks were worlds better than my stock 16 350 sxf forks. No doubt about it...

I would disagree with you Joe. My stock 2000 cr 250 forks were worlds better than my stock 16 350 sxf forks. No doubt about it. Well now that I think about it every bike I've owned since 2000 except my 06 kx 250 had better forks stock than this bike.

CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:

Hahaha, that's crazy! Sounds like those Honda forks were ahead of there time. I was using a general assumption ya know.