185lb Vet Rider - 14 KX250F Good Choice?

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I have been debating back and forth debate between the 14 CRF 450 and KX 250F. I need a smooth 450 or a fast 250. 8 Years off the bike and I'm too out of shape for the KX 450. I tried that last year!

I'm 43 year old vet rider and my races mx on a 14 KX85. I miss riding and have decided to buy a bike to ride with him some on practice days.

I'm 5"10 and 185lbs and I hope I'm not too heavy for a 250F?

Opinions on 14 KX250F?

Maintenance Schedule? Top-end / Valves?

Thanks!
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2/12/2014 11:25am
You cant go wrong with the honda. Ive heard of problems with KX bikes but I think its due to negligence on the owners part. Both bikes are great from what I've heard you cant go wrong with either.
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The 250f will take most likely make you work harder than your 450 ever did.

Im all about spending money on motorcycles, but I think you would be better off just tweaking some stuff on your kawi. It's pretty easy to make a bike slower.
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Skerby wrote:
The 250f will take most likely make you work harder than your 450 ever did. Im all about spending money on motorcycles, but I think you...
The 250f will take most likely make you work harder than your 450 ever did.

Im all about spending money on motorcycles, but I think you would be better off just tweaking some stuff on your kawi. It's pretty easy to make a bike slower.
^ best idea, you can get a ECU tuner from kawi for around $500ish and you can change the power delivery drastically.

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I sold the KX450 last year.
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2/12/2014 7:47pm
the suspension on the 450 would probably be set up better for your weight. Also see if a local dealer has demo days where you can test out a bike before you buy.
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Go with a 450, I weigh like 190 and when I ride my son's 2013 250F it feels like a turd. I am looking to get a 450 right now and just waiting for the right deal. I have not ridden much in the last 7 -8 years. I am thinking Honda or Suzuki.
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2/13/2014 9:09am Edited Date/Time 2/13/2014 9:10am
honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option.

im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was a total waste of money for what i got imo
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2/13/2014 9:19am
I getting tons of negative feedback on the Honda 450 so I probably will not go that route. 9K for a bike and then you need to drop money into the motor.

The RMZ 450 and the KX 450f will be all new bikes in 2015. I don't want to buy a bike that is old in six months since I will be keeping it for some time.

So my options are too wait for the 15's or buy the KX 250F. I can buy the KX for around $6200 and ride it for about a year or so to get back in shape and if I feel the need sell it and buy a 450.
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honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option. im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was...
honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option.

im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was a total waste of money for what i got imo
Who did the motor?
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bangmyhead wrote:
honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option. im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was...
honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option.

im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was a total waste of money for what i got imo
brocsdad wrote:
Who did the motor?
PC did the motor, had pipe ect tuned moto tsnarri boot ect (spell check) you're are always going to get negative feed back about every bike (just like i gave you some negative feed back about the 250f)


Modded 250f's are money pits, plain and simple.

All i can say is good look on your journey
2/13/2014 10:05am
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I getting tons of negative feedback on the Honda 450 so I probably will not go that route. 9K for a bike and then you need...
I getting tons of negative feedback on the Honda 450 so I probably will not go that route. 9K for a bike and then you need to drop money into the motor.

The RMZ 450 and the KX 450f will be all new bikes in 2015. I don't want to buy a bike that is old in six months since I will be keeping it for some time.

So my options are too wait for the 15's or buy the KX 250F. I can buy the KX for around $6200 and ride it for about a year or so to get back in shape and if I feel the need sell it and buy a 450.
i am also 175 and think modding a 250f to run vet class against 450's will take a lot of cash for suspension and motor to be confident .making the crf450 rev a little more would be easier imo,and cheaper also more reliable than a full mod 250,a heard the 14 450 handles like a 250f, what negative have you been hearing?
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bangmyhead wrote:
honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option. im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was...
honda 450 or a 12+ kawi 450 and put in the mild tune option.

im 175 modded the heck outta my 11 kx250f and it was a total waste of money for what i got imo
brocsdad wrote:
Who did the motor?
bangmyhead wrote:
PC did the motor, had pipe ect tuned moto tsnarri boot ect (spell check) you're are always going to get negative feed back about every bike...
PC did the motor, had pipe ect tuned moto tsnarri boot ect (spell check) you're are always going to get negative feed back about every bike (just like i gave you some negative feed back about the 250f)


Modded 250f's are money pits, plain and simple.

All i can say is good look on your journey
Yeah but I'm getting a lot more negative with the Honda and that is coming from forums, friends, etc.

I don't see a need to modify the 250f at this point.

It also depend what mods are done and how much you push the motor.

Barr's Competition can build a 46hp national level bike but it's good for 2hrs. On the flip side you can build a 42-43hp motor and it will be just as reliable as the stock bike.

Either way MX is just plain expensive!
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2/13/2014 10:34am
brocsdad wrote:
Who did the motor?
bangmyhead wrote:
PC did the motor, had pipe ect tuned moto tsnarri boot ect (spell check) you're are always going to get negative feed back about every bike...
PC did the motor, had pipe ect tuned moto tsnarri boot ect (spell check) you're are always going to get negative feed back about every bike (just like i gave you some negative feed back about the 250f)


Modded 250f's are money pits, plain and simple.

All i can say is good look on your journey
brocsdad wrote:
Yeah but I'm getting a lot more negative with the Honda and that is coming from forums, friends, etc. I don't see a need to modify...
Yeah but I'm getting a lot more negative with the Honda and that is coming from forums, friends, etc.

I don't see a need to modify the 250f at this point.

It also depend what mods are done and how much you push the motor.

Barr's Competition can build a 46hp national level bike but it's good for 2hrs. On the flip side you can build a 42-43hp motor and it will be just as reliable as the stock bike.

Either way MX is just plain expensive!
That the motor is really weak and boring.

You would need to port the head, cam, HC Piston, remap, etc, to wake the Honda up. None of the pipes tested really added any power they just changed the delivery according to MXA.

The cheapest mod is a cylinder works 478 kit with stage 2 cams. My son is sponsored by Vertex so I could get a deal.
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Keep in mind I'm just play riding on track days with my son so need to worry about keeping up with 450's. I'm 43 and though I still like to ride my race days are behind me.

My racing focus is on my son.
2/13/2014 10:40am
my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump gas done by barrs would be better imo,I'm struggling with same choice as you are ,big bore with pipe and then map it to run rite cost $, slow and reliable 450 ?? let me know what you do
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I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out as easily. I haven't found a jump yet that I could make on a 450 that I can't make on my 250f. The only place I miss my 450 is on starts in the vet class against other 450s but I don't race as much as I hace kids on 65's & 85's. More and more of my friends have been moving to 250f's because of the fun factor. The KX is a great bike...................
2/13/2014 10:50am
honda offers a power tuner for 450.00$i think that motor is detuned from factory,the magazines make there money by advertising hop up shops and there parts ,they would never promote the tuner works by it self. it would keep us from buying into all that expensive add ons and destroy the reliability honda built into it ,i wish they tested it with the tuner like the couplers they used on other brands ,unfair to judge like that, i bet that bikes a beast with different tune imo, thats the 9000.00 question
2/13/2014 10:56am
Tracktor wrote:
I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out...
I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out as easily. I haven't found a jump yet that I could make on a 450 that I can't make on my 250f. The only place I miss my 450 is on starts in the vet class against other 450s but I don't race as much as I hace kids on 65's & 85's. More and more of my friends have been moving to 250f's because of the fun factor. The KX is a great bike...................
are your 250 f modded ? your weight?
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my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump...
my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump gas done by barrs would be better imo,I'm struggling with same choice as you are ,big bore with pipe and then map it to run rite cost $, slow and reliable 450 ?? let me know what you do
I started running Klotz 100 octane oxy fuel last year in my sons built 65's and I don't think I will ever go back to pump gas. Jetting was consistent and the bikes ran soo well.

The Klotz is fairly expensive to ship so we are switching to VP racing's VPR fuel. Cost comes out to about $8 gallon but to me it's worth it. You can gain more power running good fuel than u can with some pipes.
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my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump...
my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump gas done by barrs would be better imo,I'm struggling with same choice as you are ,big bore with pipe and then map it to run rite cost $, slow and reliable 450 ?? let me know what you do
If you read MXA's pipe test on the crf 450 there's no real gain for $900. Some are quieter and the power is different but no more power.

They look cool!
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2/13/2014 11:01am
Tracktor wrote:
I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out...
I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out as easily. I haven't found a jump yet that I could make on a 450 that I can't make on my 250f. The only place I miss my 450 is on starts in the vet class against other 450s but I don't race as much as I hace kids on 65's & 85's. More and more of my friends have been moving to 250f's because of the fun factor. The KX is a great bike...................
My situation is very similar.
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2/13/2014 11:04am
Tracktor wrote:
I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out...
I am around the same size as you and have been riding 250f's for about 7 years. More fun, imo and I don't get worn out as easily. I haven't found a jump yet that I could make on a 450 that I can't make on my 250f. The only place I miss my 450 is on starts in the vet class against other 450s but I don't race as much as I hace kids on 65's & 85's. More and more of my friends have been moving to 250f's because of the fun factor. The KX is a great bike...................
are your 250 f modded ? your weight?
Around 175-780. 2012 CRF250 Yosh full system with Sisneros remap. Pretty much stock otherwise besides suspension. Prior had an 09 KX250f.............
2/13/2014 11:04am
does anyone know a rider using the honda tuner ,think it is the secret to that motor imo. the mags will tell us this after we spend our racing budget on the other stuff they advertise for
2/13/2014 11:11am
my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump...
my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump gas done by barrs would be better imo,I'm struggling with same choice as you are ,big bore with pipe and then map it to run rite cost $, slow and reliable 450 ?? let me know what you do
brocsdad wrote:
If you read MXA's pipe test on the crf 450 there's no real gain for $900. Some are quieter and the power is different but no...
If you read MXA's pipe test on the crf 450 there's no real gain for $900. Some are quieter and the power is different but no more power.

They look cool!
if the pipes don't help it leads me thinking the tune is the ticket ,52 hp aint bad for a vet anyway,
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You know the funny thing is Honda is down like 4-5hp on both the 250 and 450. I can understand building a motor that is user friendly and easy to ride but I know Honda can build a motor that is stronger yet rider friendly.

I don't understand what market they are going after?
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my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump...
my friend has a crf250 done by bars ,he spends more money on race gas than payments are for a new 450.no joke,big bore on pump gas done by barrs would be better imo,I'm struggling with same choice as you are ,big bore with pipe and then map it to run rite cost $, slow and reliable 450 ?? let me know what you do
brocsdad wrote:
If you read MXA's pipe test on the crf 450 there's no real gain for $900. Some are quieter and the power is different but no...
If you read MXA's pipe test on the crf 450 there's no real gain for $900. Some are quieter and the power is different but no more power.

They look cool!
if the pipes don't help it leads me thinking the tune is the ticket ,52 hp aint bad for a vet anyway,
Yeah it just seems it's delivered in a very linear / boring power band.
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I am 48 and still race on occasion and I went through this same cycle several times, 250 vs 450. I currently have a 2006 rm 250 and it seems to me to have split the difference perfectly. The 250 two stroke weighs about the same or less than a 250f, but has 45 hp.

To the OP, isn't a slow 450 exactly what you're looking for? The 450 will require less engine maintenance(piston, clutches, etc.)than a 250 will. I think the Honda may be perfect for you, handles and feels like a 250f but you don't have to rev the bike to have fun. If after purchase, the bike feels too fast, drop a tooth on the rear sprocket and or install a G2 tamer throttle.

After racing a few different 250fs, a big bore 250f and several 450's I found the 450's to be the easiest to ride fast by far. I almost pulled the trigger on a new crf450 but after much thought went with a 250 smoker, 3000 vs 8000 and i couldn't be happier.

Good luck with your decision
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2/14/2014 7:01am Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 7:03am
Well another friend of mine just bought a 2014 CRF 450 and he really likes it. He actually lives close so there's a chance I can give it a spin before making my final decision.

So now that makes (3) of my friends (all vet A-B riders) who have purchased the CRF 450 and say they really like the way the bike feels and handles. The all commented the power is smooth but and you are actually going faster than you feel.

Last night I spoke to another friend of mine coaches SX riders and he said the majority of the SX privateers are buying the CRF 450's. He said they feel more in control on the Honda and they can ride the motor without having to worry about throttle control. When he did lap times the comparing bikes the guys riding the CRF's were turning better lap times compared the other bikes.

So though the CRF may "feel" slower the bike is easier to ride translating to hitting better lines, etc.

If I need more power I could look into remapping the bike for a pipe and quality fuel.

Keep in mind a lot of the negativity I was reading or hearing from coming from seat of the pant impressions and though the magazines said the the bike was down on hp they also said it has the best throttle response and easiest to ride motor. But honestly who is riding a KX or YZF 450 to it's potential? The KXF just plain wore me out. I think for what I'm doing and after being off the bike for several years the CRF is the best choice for me.

I just switched jobs so I cannot pull the trigger for another (2) weeks.

Look for a ride report soon!
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If I was gonna buy a 450 I would look for the one that handled the best. They already have waaay more motor Than I would ever use. Frankly, hearing the CRF is slow is making think I need to take a look at it....................

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