tool for measuring bore: what's it called?

Aceofspades
Edited Date/Time 10/14/2014 5:21pm
I'm buying tools for my kx250 rebuild and need to check whether my cylinder bore is within spec. What's the proper name for that tool?
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Kidkawie 9/30/2014 10:11am
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You need a micrometer to use that tool. You set the micrometer to the bore diameter in your service manual, then use the appropriate extension in the kit. Insert the dial bore gauge into the micrometer and turn the dial to zero. Whatever the dial reads after zero is the wear on the cylinder.

You need a REAL micrometer, not a set of digital calipers.
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Kidkawie 9/30/2014 10:14am
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Like this, get a couple micrometers for 125 and 250's



rob.boucher.547 10/1/2014 9:52am
10/1/2014 9:52am Edited Date/Time 10/1/2014 9:55am
Sorry ,that is not the way to set a bore gauge!
not even close!
I like how you clamped your mic in thr vise!

You need gauge blocks( certified) , special gauge block
clamp set-up, surface plate.
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Kidkawie 10/1/2014 10:03am
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rob.boucher.547 wrote:
Sorry ,that is not the way to set a bore gauge! not even close! I like how you clamped your mic in thr vise! You need...
Sorry ,that is not the way to set a bore gauge!
not even close!
I like how you clamped your mic in thr vise!

You need gauge blocks( certified) , special gauge block
clamp set-up, surface plate.
Oh stop it! Where in a KX250 service manual does it state to use "special certified gauge block"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n572qMo3g0A
Aceofspades 10/3/2014 4:26pm
10/3/2014 4:26pm
rob.boucher.547 wrote:
Sorry ,that is not the way to set a bore gauge! not even close! I like how you clamped your mic in thr vise! You need...
Sorry ,that is not the way to set a bore gauge!
not even close!
I like how you clamped your mic in thr vise!

You need gauge blocks( certified) , special gauge block
clamp set-up, surface plate.
It's for a clapped-out 2000 kx250, not a lamborghini. My manual actually shows a technique very similar to what kidkawie has shown
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ATKpilot99 10/3/2014 6:18pm
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Thats a perfectly acceptable way to set a bore gage for this type of use.
rob.boucher.547 10/4/2014 7:24am
10/4/2014 7:24am
Setting a bore gauge with a known standard
versus a micrometer( when was the micrometer checked with
a gauge block) really determines the quality of work.
You could easily be off dimensionally as much as .002-.003 thousands

average vs excellent work.

In 30 plus years in a true machine shop, I have never
seen a machinist do that
In my shop you would be fired!
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Kidkawie 10/6/2014 6:10am
10/6/2014 6:10am
Rob, looks like you learned something then. Because that's how you setup a dial bore gauge. If you use your micrometers as c-clamps, thats another story.

Welcome to engine building.
Aceofspades 10/6/2014 6:19am
10/6/2014 6:19am
"Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" lol. I'm thinking in the case of me checking the sleeve of my 2000 kx250, that the micrometer method is fine. Nothing wrong with being thorough, though.
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MOgle80 10/6/2014 9:53am
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Aceofspades wrote:
"Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" lol. I'm thinking in the case of me checking the sleeve of my 2000 kx250, that the micrometer method...
"Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" lol. I'm thinking in the case of me checking the sleeve of my 2000 kx250, that the micrometer method is fine. Nothing wrong with being thorough, though.
good enough for who? I like to get lots and lots of use from an engine rebuild. Totally up to the rebuilder though, maybe a super short life span from mismeasuring is good enough, and spending money on the proper tools seems silly
Aceofspades 10/6/2014 10:17am
10/6/2014 10:17am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2014 10:20am
Aceofspades wrote:
"Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" lol. I'm thinking in the case of me checking the sleeve of my 2000 kx250, that the micrometer method...
"Perfect" is the enemy of "good enough" lol. I'm thinking in the case of me checking the sleeve of my 2000 kx250, that the micrometer method is fine. Nothing wrong with being thorough, though.
MOgle80 wrote:
good enough for who? I like to get lots and lots of use from an engine rebuild. Totally up to the rebuilder though, maybe a super...
good enough for who? I like to get lots and lots of use from an engine rebuild. Totally up to the rebuilder though, maybe a super short life span from mismeasuring is good enough, and spending money on the proper tools seems silly
Well, using the technique that is similar to the one used in the manual, as opposed to spending hundreds of dollars on "specially calibrated" tools . I dare say if that kawasaki would specify exotic tools if they were needed. They don't. Again, the manual technique is very similar to the one kidkawie showed. Bore Guage and caliper. No specially calibrated plates, if the manual is to be believed. Kawasaki could be wrong I guess.
Aceofspades 10/6/2014 10:24am
10/6/2014 10:24am Edited Date/Time 10/6/2014 10:26am
Update: the kawasaki manual does NOT show how to measure it lol. It was my Suzuki rm250 manual that shows that procedure. So, although it seems to be a valid technique, kawasaki only specifies the measurements- not how to get them. I think I may end up buying a new cylinder in the end. I just don't trust a sleeved cylinder.

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rob.boucher.547 10/7/2014 6:55am
10/7/2014 6:55am
You are all wrong, and you just do not get it.
None of you work in a real shop, yet you are
experts.
Now that is funny!
I have been building engines,machining, and
repair machine work since 1973.
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sgthubbard#60 10/7/2014 7:05am
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rob.boucher.547 wrote:
You are all wrong, and you just do not get it. None of you work in a real shop, yet you are experts. Now that is...
You are all wrong, and you just do not get it.
None of you work in a real shop, yet you are
experts.
Now that is funny!
I have been building engines,machining, and
repair machine work since 1973.
LOL, you are fucking priceless man. How many awards have you given yourself? Maybe try explaining how to do it rather than just shitting on people?
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Kidkawie 10/7/2014 7:10am
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Rob, if the micrometer is accurate what is the problem? What is YOUR method of measuring a 2 stroke cylinder?

If you Google "setting a dial bore gauge" all the results are what I described. Are they all wrong?
Aceofspades 10/7/2014 9:51am
10/7/2014 9:51am
rob.boucher.547 wrote:
You are all wrong, and you just do not get it. None of you work in a real shop, yet you are experts. Now that is...
You are all wrong, and you just do not get it.
None of you work in a real shop, yet you are
experts.
Now that is funny!
I have been building engines,machining, and
repair machine work since 1973.
No, the fact is that you advocate specialized tools (at premium costs) to perform a job, when not even the factory manual calls for such. Ive never seen one post from you that wasnt either bragging or berating someone for "doing it wrong" You need to build yourself a special chamber for smelling your own farts, Rob.
rob.boucher.547 10/7/2014 10:53am
10/7/2014 10:53am Edited Date/Time 10/7/2014 10:55am
Too bad for you! Giving people the wrong advice, stating that, is
not berating ,or bragging! Doing the job right once versus spending money twice or more
is foolish, let a qualified shop bore the cylinder.
If you do not want to spend money on tooling, Do not do the job
Factory manuals
are just general instructions.

If you believe Kawasaki sets there bore gauges that way at the factory
you are wrong!
They would laugh in your face!

Stating any of this is not bragging!
just the truth!
If you are offended you really need to call
a wammbulance!
And post your name!
and picture!
What are you hiding!
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Kidkawie 10/7/2014 11:38am
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Go spew that shit over at practical machinist., they would have a ball with you.

Some "machinist" you are not having faith in a friggin micrometer. lol

Still waiting for your idea on how to measure the cylinder not using a micrometer, dial bore gauge and I highly doubt you would use a t bore gauge.
rob.boucher.547 10/7/2014 11:43am
10/7/2014 11:43am
You are stupid!
And you just do not get it!
It just shows that you have never checked
a mic, or gaged one
Stupid in the dictionary has your picture!
Aceofspades 10/7/2014 12:40pm
10/7/2014 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2014 12:42pm
Ill gladly post my pic, rob.

Aceofspades 10/7/2014 12:46pm
10/7/2014 12:46pm
rob.boucher.547 wrote:
Too bad for you! Giving people the wrong advice, stating that, is not berating ,or bragging! Doing the job right once versus spending money twice or...
Too bad for you! Giving people the wrong advice, stating that, is
not berating ,or bragging! Doing the job right once versus spending money twice or more
is foolish, let a qualified shop bore the cylinder.
If you do not want to spend money on tooling, Do not do the job
Factory manuals
are just general instructions.

If you believe Kawasaki sets there bore gauges that way at the factory
you are wrong!
They would laugh in your face!

Stating any of this is not bragging!
just the truth!
If you are offended you really need to call
a wammbulance!
And post your name!
and picture!
What are you hiding!
I honestly think Rob is pulling our legs now. Bravo, Rob.
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tydog 10/7/2014 1:05pm
10/7/2014 1:05pm Edited Date/Time 10/7/2014 1:33pm
Aceofspades wrote:
I honestly think Rob is pulling our legs now. Bravo, Rob.
No he is not. LOL, sad but true and an all too familiar story here.
rob.boucher.547 10/7/2014 2:17pm
10/7/2014 2:17pm
yes, even Tbagged must admit its true, but do not be sad, you can all take your
balls out of your wife's purse and go home!
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Kidkawie 10/7/2014 2:20pm
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Rob just pm'd me, this is how he accurately measures cylinders

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